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In your opinion, how does "XMO: Wolverine" mesh with the events of...

posted 8 years ago by Son-of-WRA
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..."XM: Days of Future Past"?

When Logan's consciousness is sent back to his 1974 body we know that he hasn't yet received the adamantium infusion because his younger body still has the bone claws. In the film canon, the first X-Men film established Logan having his metal claws. This one also explains his memory loss. But I think there is an open area in regard to how events in "XM: DOFP" may or may not mesh with when Logan receives the infusion in this film.

If my description seems confusing I apologize but I think there is either a discrepancy in the continuity, or the films do manage to not contradict each other as far as Logan's claws are concerned. I'm just not certain either way. Your input would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

"They say the ----ing smog is the ----ing reason why you have such beautiful ----ing sunsets"

[–] Necronomicon2016 8 years ago

ORIGINS belongs to the original timeline:

X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men
X2
X-Men: The Last Stand

FIRST CLASS was the first divergence.

The X-Men timeline was altered 2 times, not just one (DOFP).
FIRST CLASS was already a "divergence".
Everything is explained here:

THE X-MEN CINEMATIC TIMELINES
http://x-continuity.blogspot.com

[–] Son-of-WRA 8 years ago

Thank you for the link. It was a great help. I've read all but the last section of the website and although a little confused for now, I know that I can re-visit the site to clear things up for myself.

"They say the ----ing smog is the ----ing reason why you have such beautiful ----ing sunsets"

[–] Necronomicon2016 8 years ago

Thank you so much for the kind words... glad to help!

[–] MOOVYZ 8 years ago

I will admit that I am NOT a comic book fan. I do, generally speaking, enjoy most of the action movies in the MCU.

That being said, all the inconsistencies like The Professor walking, Deadpool completely different than in the stand-alone feature, etc. EVEN with a contrived theory of divergent timelines, is what ruins the comics and the evolution of some of the stories, IMHO. Every time I see one of these movies I have to start asking myself "now, which Logan is this?", etc.

DC is doing the same with the Batman and Superman stories.

Basically, it sux.

P.S. Please, don't anyone try to explain what I am bitching about. That just pisses me off more.

"He's not Judge Judy and executioner!"

[–] Son-of-WRA 8 years ago

Yeah, I agree with you. I realize the different people involved with the different productions have their way with altering the canon, but they have to understand there are diehard fans they could mine for more revenue (pardon the expression) if they adhered to the original storylines. I realize too the advantages of their methods (unlimited sequel/prequel possibilities; better to appeal to a wider audience than to a cult following) but they make things difficult to understand. Again, advantage studios as those confused people will watch and re-watch.

"They say the ----ing smog is the ----ing reason why you have such beautiful ----ing sunsets"

[–] clark_gillies 8 years ago

Think you have to view Deadpool as kind of stand alone, rather than try find a place for it in the X-Men world.... yes it references it, but in a kind of way Story Movie and such like movies reference other films for laughs.

[–] clark_gillies 8 years ago

Way to look at it is..... XMO: Wolverine - X-Men-X2-The Last Stand-The Wolverine all follow the same story line and story arc....

Days of Future Past sends Logan back to a point where before he met William Stryker.... Because they change the events of the future, this means the future is altered and we get a new timeline which effectively scrubs anything after the first 10 minutes of screen time in WMO: Wolverine... but as Logan was fished out of the river by Stryker, it basically means we get a new origins story on how Logan and Stryker came to meet, and effectively a new origins story for Weapon X... rather than the Expendables style team we get in WMO..... I think you just have to assume with Trask industries and their advances in Technology that the Weapon X program was brought forward a few years... that is why we get a different version in Apocalypse.

Naturally this is being a tad poetic on time lines set in the original story ark (how could Logan be sure he would be sent back to when he was in America, while Origins showed him being in Vietnam round about this time?) but does kind of come together rather neatly when you think about it, and gets Wolverine a new and better origins story that meets the fans expectations.

[–] Xaeden 8 years ago

*Wolverine was fished out of the water by Mystique disguised as Stryker so Stryker and Wolverine's "meeting" occurs at some point in the proceeding ten years.

[–] Necronomicon2016 8 years ago

Logan:

In the ORIGINS timeline, Logan was recruited in 1969 or so. He was a member of Team X until 1973. The main events of XMO:W are set in 1979, 6 years later.

Wade:

Wade's birth shifted in time as effect of a time travel event that happened long before 'FIRST CLASS'. 'FIRST CLASS' is an effect of this time travel event too.

The time travel event of DOFP JUST affected 1973 and its following years/decades. Not before 1973, of course.

Wade 2016 is born in 1976, while in the original timeline (the first one) he was born in the fifties and was active in 1973 ("X-Men Origins: Wolverine")

The X-Men timeline was altered 2 times, not just one (DOFP).
FIRST CLASS was already a "divergence".
Everything is explained here:

THE X-MEN CINEMATIC TIMELINES
http://x-continuity.blogspot.com

[–] nycbm 7 years ago

I don't understand where you're getting you're getting your dates from. They never mention 1969 or any other year in the film.

The majority of X-Men Origins Wolverine is set in 1985. This is known by the 2000 date given in one of the original X-Men (2000) tie-ins. In the same film, Professor X says that it's been 15 years since Logan lost his memory, thus making it 1985.

Now there are problems with this 1985 date, I'll admit that. The film has the Three-Mile Incident and the Vietnam War, both of which happen in the 70s, but I've just assumed these things happened later in the X-Men timeline.

I also don't understand why you think the X-Men timeline got altered twice. DOFP is the only divergence.

As far as the birth date of Deadpool is concerned, we can assume the same birth year in both year in both timelines, and that Wade Wilson just ages slower. (Not a big stretch considering in DOFP, Xavier looks nowhere near 50.)

[–] Xaeden 7 years ago

The majority of X-Men Origins Wolverine is set in 1985. This is known by the 2000 date given in one of the original X-Men (2000) tie-ins.

The film, though, twice cited the events we saw in this first film as happening in the near future and a tie-in timeline, released during the DoFP promotional period, (although no more canon than the tie-in you are citing) listed those events as occurring in the mid-2000s.

Now there are problems with this 1985 date, I'll admit that. The film has the Three-Mile Incident and the Vietnam War, both of which happen in the 70s, but I've just assumed these things happened later in the X-Men timeline.

To be fair, the Vietnam War happened before a flash forward. Styker met Sabretooth and Wolverine during the war, recruited them for his team, which was active for a number of years, and then the team disbanded for an unknown number of more years before the movie picks back up with Wolverine living a quiet life in Canada.

The Three-Mile Island scenes, meanwhile, was never stated as taking place during the 1979 incident. Viewers assumed that the cooling tower collapsing was supposed to be the in-universe explanation for what happened and the idea of a meltdown was its cover up. However, no cooling tower collapsed during the event (or after) so that is an event unique to this fictional universe. Further, Stryker, at one point, explained that he chose that place as a base of operations because people's fear of radiation kept people away. It makes more sense that he was saying that because he moved in after the incident than it does that the government created a whole fake power plant as a cover for a base and somehow it was never noticed that it wasn't contributing to the power grid.

I also don't understand why you think the X-Men timeline got altered twice. DOFP is the only divergence.

The person you were replying is a wacky spammer who you probably should add to your ignore list, as I have. He's not interesting in discussing likely possibilities or using evidence based analysis any longer and instead has resorted to creating baseless, out there theories to correct for any perceived issues he has with the films. He then spams those theories on the various X-men boards to promote his site, where he details all of them. Before I added him to my ignore list, his latest was trying to work the Deadpool movie into the larger universe via time travel, which is what it sounds like he did here. He's had several IMDB accounts banished over the years and attempt to engage with him has become like talking to a brick wall.

[–] nycbm 7 years ago

The film, though, twice cited the events we saw in this first film as happening in the near future and a tie-in timeline, released during the DoFP promotional period, (although no more canon than the tie-in you are citing) listed those events as occurring in the mid-2000s.

I never took the "not too distant future" thing seriously. Everything from the cars to the computers looked like it was from the 1990s (the same time the movie was filmed).

I remembered the DoFP tie-in. All it said was that the San Francisco bridge disaster (an event from X-Men: The Last Stand) happened in 2006. That doesn't really contradict the 2000 date since we don't know the time frame between X2 and X3. Also since there's a different President in X3, I can definitely see a few years having passed.

[–] Necronomicon2016 7 years ago

Dismiss Xaeden's rant about me and my work of passion as useless, the guy is delusional and angry towards world.

I just developed a theory supported by facts. There are HUGE changes to the timeline even before "DOFP". I just elaborated a plausible explanation applied to a fictional universe where time travel actually EXISTS!

X-MEN MOVIE TIMELINES - Continuity explained!
http://x-continuity.blogspot.com

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