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Two Problems I Had with this Movie (spoliers ahead)

posted 8 years ago by vesil_vesalier
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First, and you might call this nitpicking, but so be it. When Steve has to jump across the flames to reach his friend, and all you see is fire in front of him, and we cut away to a scene where Tommy Lee Jones is complaining about Steve and telling Agent Carter he's gone... Then he just shows up.

I hated that. I thought that was one of the laziest quick-fixes I've ever seen. He just survives. No burns, no explanations. He just did. Ta-da!!

It happened in EPIC, too. You know where the Captain of the Guard tells the others to leave while he is completely overrun by baddies, and then, just at the perfect miraculous time he shows up to save the day, without barely a scratch and no explanation whatsoever. Lazy.

And although I think Hugo never phones it in when he's performing, I still never thought of Red Skull as intimidating. Nothing he did suggested to me that he was powerful in any way. The setup was that he was "evil made worse", but he spent almost all of his time killing with guns. Whoop-de-do. Anyone can do that.

And then the final fix: he touches the Tesseract and is (not) vaporized. Ta-da!! Problem solved.

Boring.

What do you think?

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[–] justanicknamed 8 years ago

That you are wrong on all accounts.

It was a dramatic moment - not "knowing" if Steve lived. Then he shows up. The explanation is that he was able to make the leap and survived. As far as no burns go - well, not only does he heal quickly, but flames only burn when they are sustained. Light a lighter and run your finger over it. You'll feel the heat, but you won't get burned unless you keep your finger there.

And Skull wasn't supposed to be physically powerful in the way Cap is. Yes, he dented the original shield, but he's not supposed to be a super soldier.

Skull also dies when he grabs Tesseract he dies. Did you just not like that or did you think it should look different?

[–] vesil_vesalier 8 years ago

There's no way it's a dramatic moment. Captain America cannot die halfway through the movie. Red Skull didn't even start his master plan yet, and no real discourse was made between the two of them. So there's no way it was a dramatic moment. Unless he was badly injured and then healed, maybe.

As for when Skull "dies", I'm confused. According to the FAQ on here, he didn't die. He was transported somewhere.

If he did die by touching the Tesseract, then yes I wouldn't like that. Cap doesn't beat him. He dies by touching something he shouldn't have, of his own free will. Kind of anticlimactic, really.

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[–] justanicknamed 8 years ago

There's no way it's a dramatic moment. Captain America cannot die halfway through the movie.

Then you need to go and whine on every single dramatic movie's board about the same thing. In The Untouchables, did you whine that there was no way Elliot Ness was going to die in the shootout at the train station? Did you whine that Don Corleone wasn't going to die when he got shot in the street?

Red Skull didn't even start his master plan yet,

True. Except that he had already gotten the Tesseract, built several factories for his weapons, used his weapons, experimented on Bucky....

no real discourse was made between the two of them

So what?

So there's no way it was a dramatic moment

You really have no clue as to what you are talking about. A dramatic moment doesn't have to last 20 minutes with a lot of dialogue going on. Cap went in under fire. Sneaked onto the base. Freed the prisoners. They started a battle. Cap rescued Bucky. He fought the guards and Skull set off the explosives.

You "think" that wasn't dramatic?

As for when Skull "dies", I'm confused. According to the FAQ on here, he didn't die. He was transported somewhere.

Don't use stuff like that to judge the movie/story. It is like if you like the Harry Potter series more or less because Rowling said that Dumbledore is homosexual. All we know from the movie is he's gone. Cap wouldn't know the difference and we wouldn't either. There is no clue that he was transported as opposed to just dying, so until we see him appearing elsewhere and saying he was transported, he's dead.

[–] vesil_vesalier 8 years ago

Hey buddy, if all you want to do is call everything I'm going to write "whining" because you don't agree with it, you're being insulting when there's no reason to do it.

Keep your opinions. I'll keep mine. There's nothing more for us to discuss.

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[–] justanicknamed 8 years ago

Hey buddy, if all you want to do is call everything I'm going to write "whining" because you don't agree with it, you're being insulting when there's no reason to do it.

I'll stop calling it whining when you stop whining.

Seriously. It is obvious the hero can't die half way through the movie. But why are you whining about it in THIS movie? Why not in EVERY movie where we know the hero won't die half way through?

You were also wrong in what you "thought" happened in the movie. I guess you didn't like me pointing that out to you.

I may be insulting, but you are being obtuse. That is much, much worse.

[–] johnf_sf 8 years ago

Just another bully with ad hominem attacks. Debate his ideas.

[–] justanicknamed 8 years ago

I did. I can't help it if you can't keep up.