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From someone who has seen them all


I am relatively new to the new voyages, seeing them all for the first time here the last few days. I decided to take a look at the posts I have read and have been surprised at all of the criticism of the show. I for one believe its holding its own with keeping the spirit of the original show. Now, now before you go throwing your stones let me explain.

Does it seem campy and amateurish? Absolutely, but when I watch TOS I see the same faults in that show. Very few of the actors in TOS were known at the time of shooting, and watching Kirk is just as painful as watching the new one. (Although I was glad to see him get a haircut or did he just comb it different) I also think the actors aren't trying to hard to take themselves too seriously. I think you would have a hard time finding someone who has watched TOS recently and didn't laugh at the acting and props/sound effects. I remember watching the first episodes of TNG recently and thinking OH MY, what cheesy phaser effects. (They of course got better) My vote is let them have their fun. I don't mind the show at all. It's nice to see someone apparently enjoying the show as much as I do. (I enjoyed Enterprise as well, as for those who didn't? No one forced you to watch, as no one is forcing you to watch this.)

That being said, I think the only thing holding these guys back is production value, but that doesn't make it bad. I thoroughly enjoy the show I hope the keep it going. To the new crew of Phase II, formerly known as "The New Voyages" Thanks for the new shows and I hope you keep it up. Don't listen to your "critiques" or let them slow you down.

-RH

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They couldn't have picked a better actor to play Kirk, the subtle swagger, the literal tongue in cheek move. Any more enunciation and it would practically be a comedy. And the first Spock, I found myself rewinding and just watching his eyebrows. REally excellent impressions/acting.

Did you tell LUKE..? Is THAT who you could tell??

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I don't know, for me the acting seems very amateurish if compared to a regular tv show. i'ts kinda hard to watch. maybe if I got into it more. I ask myself why? why do this? for the fans I guess. I loved the original series, but I just don't want to watch this. I like the original star trek music though. nice touch there, and I don't mind the mediocre special effects at all, shoot I still like watching old doctor who's, but the acting seems kinda stiff

what I wish they would do is this. make a new high tech digital animated star trek, and get good writers and get the original cast to do the voices. that way you get the best of both worlds, you get the voices of shatner and nimoy, uhuru, sulu, etc and yet you get young "actors" to play them. do this before shatner and nimoy die. it's the last chance for them to do star trek, as they are just too old now to do anything but small cameo rolls in star trek.

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Excellent post Rod!

I must confess to being a Trek junkie myself. During the past Christmas holiday I think I went through 5 Trek movies.

But every now and then I crave something new. With the inclusion of some original cast members and writers, they are faithful to the original series more than any of the "professional" episodes.

My only wish would be for more frequent new episodes. But being a volunteer effort, I fully understand that just is not possible.

My thanks go out to the cast and crew for their efforts!

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These are your opinions sir, and you are very much entitled to them. However you are blantantly wrong. SAG members can do volunteer productions if they are so inclined. They are just not able to force perks on the productions they volunteer in. I live in Wilmington, NC and have worked on Screen Gem's projects for over 10 years. I have seen lots of the SAG members volunteer for local projects over these years and worked on a few my self. Some of the crew members have volunteered on STNV. The people behind STNV are the most passionate group of film makers I've ever had the chance of working with. It's not about how much money they could be making elsewhere. It's about continuing the vision that made Star Trek what was and should be today. About changing the minds of people using a different landscape to do so, in a fun way. The newest episodes were done amazingly well. Only thing I would have done differently is better sound on a few of the scenes, mostly outside locations as the vocals weren't at the same level through the episode... Other then that, it was perfect. Keep up the great work James Cawley and Crew. Look forward to working with you in June.

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And yet you're always wrong, Cuddles...

Fact is, New Voyages is a SAG signatory. They have deals in place to cover SAG actors. It's not an issue to anyone with brains. The only person who has an issue with it is you. Which means you have no brains. Guess that explains your posting history...

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I just visited back here since my post in 2010 and I have never seen so many "post deleted by administrator"! I think there were 8 in reply to my post!

First and foremost let me say I am a Trek fan. *ALL* Trek.

When TOS was on my Boy Scout meeting was the same night. I connected an audio tape recorder up to a TV and listened to it when I got home. In 1981 I purchased my first VCR and its first task was to record Star Trek on WPIX in NYC at midnight so I could watch it every night. I watched every TNG episode from the first night. I watched DS9 and Voyager. I watched Enterprise. I have seen every movie on its release date or a preview before. I saw the reboot movie in IMAX.

"New Voyages" is great in its own way. I am totally amazed that it is a fan film when you look at the production quality. Nope it is not a professional production. But who cares? These are dedicated folks and I love what they are doing.

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It's amazing. Whenever I read the boards for Star Trek, Twilight Zone, Honeymooners or The Odd Couple. It's always PIX-11 that people watched. Countless mentions of PIX, with hardly a mention of any of the hundreds of other channels around the country in the 1970s.

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Actually starting watching the first episode and after you get your rocks off laughing at the character representation it's not that bad if you're a Trekker. Think I'll watch a few back to back as well. Still the Bones character is a gas and a half.

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First, I have to say, "Sorry, I'm a bit late to this party, but I just saw New Voyages (I refuse to call it Phase II, that's blasphemy) for the first time on the recommendation of a youtuber."

I saw the pilot. I will not be watching any more episodes.

First of all, I'm afraid I'm going to have to call out the entire fanbase of this series: Based on the positive reviews and forum posts I've read, it seems that everyone who purports to enjoy "New Voyages" is a hater of TNG and/or JJ Abrahms. Sorry, TOS fans, but TNG surpassed TOS in almost every way imaginable, and some people think DS9 is even better. If you don't like the TNG era-Trek, you're in the minority. As for the Abrahms reboot: I can forgive the lack of substance because it was trying to introduce a new reality. I liked the fact that Kirk and Spock's differences were two varying shades of gray, and I hope that the new Trek movie's will have that with between Kirk and the primary antagonist.

Secondly, I'll address your point about the acting. The fact is that while the acting in TOS might have been bad, it was "bad" in the sense that it was too over-the-top and goofy. That's the kind of "bad acting" that doesn't hurt watchability; sometimes it even helps it. No, the acting in NV was bad because it was wooden. I'm thinking primarily of Admiral Leslie, here. The lines he has in his first scene show him clearly being angry. The problem is that this professional actor, who had an uncredited bit-part in TOS, didn't act at all! It was like he was simply reading his lines. That's the problem in a nutshell. It's not that they can't act; it's that they aren't even trying to act.

But acting isn't the main issue. The issue for this series is simply that we've outgrown TOS beyond the camp value. If we watch TOS, sometimes we can't help but call BS at some of the out-dated scientific theories (or in some episodes like "Spock's Brain," pseudo-science). People today are a bit smarter than they were back in the '60s; you can't return to that era's storytelling successfully. Roddenberry tried in the first season of TNG, and with the exception of a handful of episodes, that first season was awful, almost as if they were written with 9-year-olds in mind.

TL;DR: If you really want a fourth season/Phase II of TOS, your best bet is still TAS. It's well-acted, well-written engaging, and intelligent for its time. It's a shame that it's been all but forgotten, and that it isn't even considered canon. But "New Voyages" is horrible. It gives me flashbacks to the episode of Futurama where an obsessed Trekkie kidnaps the heads of the Star Trek cast and makes them perform his fan fiction. I will avoid it from now on.

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Austin: I understand your opinion on the acting in the pilot. Most everyone agrees that it is not very good but I saw the potential behind it. I urge you to watch some of the latest episodes, especially 'Blood and Fire' and 'Enemy Starfleet'.

I loved all of the ST series (yes, even "Enterprise') but the movie reboot was a grave disappointment to me. to me it was like cotton candy big, pretty, and tasty, but not a lot of substance. Just didn't have that old spark.

True, alot of the science is dated in TOS, but who could predict where technology would go and so fast? However, that doesn't mean that ST:NV has to use the same wrong science but can subtly use correct and current knowledge.

second star to the right, and straight on till morning

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I'm sorry that some people can't accept something for what it is, an opportunity to present stories based on TOS, giving freely of their time and talent and being satisfied with that.

Hell no they're not professional actors; I don't think they ever claimed to be. But IMO the stories are for the most part interesting and darned enjoyable if you accept them for what they are.

You don't want to watch them, then don't.

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Klingon (and a nerdy Klingon at that) on the bridge! Pre-Khitomer Accords! Kargh!!

Pardon my ignorance, but what is 'TAS'? The Animated Series? Something to do with that 'Titan' idea?

Ladies and gentlemen, Kirk has left the bridge...

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Oh, I see... Timey wimey...

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I enjoy the series and everything about it. Finally, the fifth and final year of the starship Enterprise's five year mission is going to be depicted. James Cawley and his staff have done an excelllent job and should be commended for what they have done in re-capturing what has made the original series so special.

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Probably TAS Stands for The Abrams $hit

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How about "The Animated Series" ? :P

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"Very few of the actors in TOS were known at the time of shooting, and watching Kirk is just as painful as watching the new one."

You're an idiot.

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I am going to back-up WRLORD statement with a a bit more information.

Shatner, Nimoy, Kelly, Doohan, Nichols, and Barrett all have a long list of credits before TOS. All were well known and respected actors.

Takei and Koenig were also experienced but not with the pedigree of the other leads.

I did not look up others involved as these are considered the main leads.

Making statements without doing research certainly makes one an idiot.

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I'll have to agree with the first part of the OPs statement, though I always enjoyed Shatner/Kirk's disjointed articulations.

Shatner had done some interesting work, especially his Twilight Zone "man in the plane" bit, but nothing big.

Nimoy had been in lot of shows, but if you check his IMDb credits pre-ST he was largely a character actor who played indigenous or Mexicans in popular Westerns.

Nichelle Nichol had only a few roles prior to ST, none starring.

George Takei had a fairly good resume, having made numerous guest appearances on popular late 50s-early 60s tv. Those appearances were still fairly uncommon for Japanese actors, still shunned d/t lingering WW2 hatred and prejudice.

DeForest Kelley might have been the best known, but he was most popular as a Western heavy... and a good one at that.

James Doohan also had a pretty long resume. Nothing major.

Deny it as they will, we all know that Walter Koenig was hired for one reason and one reason only: Because he was young, cute, and hopefully attractive to teeny-bopper girls and would increase ratings. That he turned out to be a good and endearing actor (and character) was a bonus.

Majel Barrett had a short resume, no starring roles. She was also Mrs. Gene Roddenberry.

Grace Lee Whitney also had an impressive resume dating back to the 1950s, but no major/starring role.

I'm not saying they were unknown, but I don't think it stretches things to say the cast was not well known. Most of them probably could have walked down the streets of most non-California/NYC/home town streets without recognition or "he looks like someone I saw on tv once..."



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Totally agree with you wrlord2001 - Shatner is really a very good actor, as his performances in Boston Legal amply demonstrate. He also had a very good reputation as an up-and-coming actor prior to TOS. The OP really knows very little and has even less taste!

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I agree completely. As far as I'm concerned STAR TREK NEW VOYAGES: PHASE II is what should have happened during the seventies but didn't happen.

I certainly hope Cawley Entertainment successfully keeps it going until they reach at least 22-26 episodes. That would be for me at least, the fourth season of STAR TREK:TOS the trekkies never got but deserved.

And keep it retro!







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I personally can't wait for someone in the next 10-20 years to decide to make the 2nd 5 Year Mission, with TMP sets and cosutimes, and transition it into the Wrath of Khan... :)

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For a long time fan of TOS, "Star Trek Phase 2" is a dream come true. There is such an incredible attention to details that range from the original sound effects (even the more obscure ones), the great TOS music cues, costumes, excellent stories, impressive FX, and a great sense of fun too. They even re-introduced the original style uniforms from the TOS pilots!

As for acting, I do really enjoy James Cawley (bad hair or not), because he himself is so likable. Cawley captures much of the body language and speech patterns of Shatner's Kirk while contributing his own affability to the mix.

It is such a pleasure to watch these wonderfully retro Phase 2 eps, that I don't even want to offer any criticisms. I thoroughly enjoy this series and ask that the Great Bird of the Galaxy bless James Cawley and crew.

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I like the new voyages eps, phase 2 now.
They get better as they go along, # 3 with sulu was the first good one.
# 6 was also good.
I stopped for awhile, but now just got 7,8,9 so will watch those.

one or 2 of those are storys written for the phase 2 tv show planned by paramount
and Roddenberry.
The upn network fell thru in 78 so the show did not make it to tv!
I never knew about this, they had 13 eps written and laid out and all the original cast was to come back except nimoy who was mad about something trivial, but
I think had the show made it to tv they would have got him too.

many years later upn did become a network, and aired stng and the others.

Now I liked the first ST reboot movie , the 2nd one was barely ok, and it just doesnt have the same tone as the TOS.
phase II eps have the same tone and are more like TOS than any other show will ever do.
I like it and hope they keep making them.


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Star Trek Continues and their 4 episodes are even better.

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Definitely agree. STNV is good, and I enjoyed a few episodes, but Star Trek Continues is far better.

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Yes but thanks to the greedy suits at paramount all Trek fan films will now be crap! Cant have them making better films than JJ Abrahms. Its obvious to everyone except the suits at paramount that the fans have spoken, we want the New Voyages and Star Trek Continues and Axanar! If they were smart and cared about the fans that have kept Trek alive for 50 years, they would encourage the fan films and maybe even licence them and make some money of them! They are very short sighted and petty and shutting down what the fans have asked for is turning die hard fans away in droves. I hope the new trek series on cbs flops. They even have the nerve to put it on pay tv instead of regular channels!

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