This Movie is Disgusting


Is this what society has come to? Are you kidding me? There actually is a movie being made that depicts a murderer as a hero? Now, if he battered her and she just went to the police about it, fine (though I suppose that wouldn't make a good movie then). But she killed him, and got away with it too. She should have been put away for life. I don't care if it was 'provoked' or not, she killed her husband and she should face the consequences. At least she has the opportunity to improve her life, unlike her husband. All this movie is doing is supporting the notion that violence against men is ok. Now men are going to be afraid to even upset their wives/girlfriends, because they know they could be killed for it (and the murderers would get away with it too). Can you imagine what the public reaction would be if the genders had been reversed? What if a movie were being made about a 'hero' who murderered his wife because she abused him? Contrary to popular belief, all men are not stronger than all women. I know for certain he would be sent to jail for life or put on Death Row in that scenario, and justifiably so. Why should it be any different for her? She is not a 'heroine' for doing this. Her act was cowardly and she is a cold-blooded killer! Why are we praising her? This movie disgusts me. It is absolutely sickening.

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alright first of all before u go off labeling me as a flamin feminist im a 16 yr old male... just throwin that out there


When a person goes through abuse during every single day of their lives, that too in an unknown world (i think she was brought in from india to britain.. correct me if im wrong), they feel like they have no hope left. they give up on life. some take the abuse for the rest of their miserable lives. some kill themselves. and others defend themselves. kiranjit felt like she NEEDED to kill her husband in order to get rid of her misery... her longing for freedom. and in addition to the hopelessness factor, she wanted revenge. you cant pity her husband because he used her.. destroyed her on the outside.. possibly raped her... and destroyed her soul. your sympathy toward the husband makes me feel ashamed of my own sex.. how ignorant and DISGUSTING some of us can be.


u said told us to imagine a movie about an abused husband and then u go on to talk about the "popular belief." i want you to compare the number of abused wife cases vs. abused husband cases and the severity of the cases(lol actually dont do that cuz that'll just waste ur time and its probably a lil hard...). i am sure there are FAR more abused wife cases. and also personally if there was a true story about a man who had to endure a severely abusive wife then i think that story would be interesting and really thought provoking. i mean it would honestly be amazing.. with the right cast and whatnot.


BACK to the shmick. We are praising Kiranjit for her bravery. For being able to stand up for herself, for her RIGHT TO LIVE.. to SURVIVE. thats all she did... she tried to survive.


im interested in reading a reply soo a response would be amazing

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"When a person goes through abuse during every single day of their lives, that too in an unknown world (i think she was brought in from india to britain.. correct me if im wrong), they feel like they have no hope left. they give up on life. some take the abuse for the rest of their miserable lives. some kill themselves. and others defend themselves. kiranjit felt like she NEEDED to kill her husband in order to get rid of her misery... her longing for freedom. and in addition to the hopelessness factor, she wanted revenge. you cant pity her husband because he used her.. destroyed her on the outside.. possibly raped her... and destroyed her soul. your sympathy toward the husband makes me feel ashamed of my own sex.. how ignorant and DISGUSTING some of us can be."

Give me a break. She didn't NEED to kill him, why didn't she go to the police? Don't tell me that it was ok for her to kill him. She is a murderer, and she should face the consequences. I'm tired of female murderers using excuses to get off the hook. I'm not feeling sympathy towards her husband, because there is no doubt he was a terrible person. I was just pointing out that she is alive and has the chance to improve her life, while her husband has no such opportunity.

"u said told us to imagine a movie about an abused husband and then u go on to talk about the "popular belief." i want you to compare the number of abused wife cases vs. abused husband cases and the severity of the cases(lol actually dont do that cuz that'll just waste ur time and its probably a lil hard...). i am sure there are FAR more abused wife cases. and also personally if there was a true story about a man who had to endure a severely abusive wife then i think that story would be interesting and really thought provoking. i mean it would honestly be amazing.. with the right cast and whatnot."

This is exactly why I hate feminists - you have bought into their propaganda. There are not FAR more abused wife cases, the truth is that men are just as likely to be a victim of domestic abuse as women are, but you just don't hear about them. And yes, we all know that men are stronger than women. But this doesn't mean that a woman can't severely abuse a man, because she can still use a weapon to 'even the odds' so to speak. And men oftentimes can't defend themselves, because they know the law will come down hard on them and they've been brought up to 'never hit a woman under any circumstances.' These men suffer in silence, because if they tried to get help they would be seen as "sissies" and told to "take it like a man." Abused women have support groups and shelters available to them, while there is no such equivalent for males. Also, if a husband calls the police to accuse his wife of abusing him, the police will arrest him anyway because they are supposed to arrest who they think was the aggressor. The rate of women abusing men has been on a significant rise, and I believe this is because women know they can get away with it. Read this link for more information on domestic abuse: http://www.csulb.edu/%7Emfiebert/assault.htm

"BACK to the shmick. We are praising Kiranjit for her bravery. For being able to stand up for herself, for her RIGHT TO LIVE.. to SURVIVE. thats all she did... she tried to survive."

What's so brave about setting her husband on fire while he was sleeping? That is an act of cowardice, not bravery.


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You are an arrogant pig if you really think those things. Seriosly, do you know any statistics at all, have you done any research at all. I did, and guess what she did go to the police, twice, and they sent her back both times. They said it was a house matter. She was raped every night and beaten with things you can't even imagin. She didn't have anyone to support her. So before you go off and say "Just go to the police" put yourself in that position. I read a lot about the true story, about what really happened to her, and she wasn't even allowed to make phone calls let alone leave the house. You say she should have tried to defend herself, she couldn't, he overpowered her everytime.
If you new anything about battered women, or women who are victims of domestic violence or rape, you would be syaing those stupid ignorant things. Do you know in the ten years she was married to him he nearly killed her hundreds of times. Shouldn't he have been charged with attemped murder.
Just so you know, this movie depicts a real life story. This really did happen to a woman, and if had bothered to find out any information about her case you wouldn't be acting so ignorant.
You talk about how you hate feminist, but you know what i hate people like you. It is a shame that women have to fight for the rights in todays world. Men and women should be treated equally, and no one should be subjected to abuse. Here are some statistics for you
one in three women are raped
a woman is raped every thirty seconds in the world
one in six women are beaten by their husbands/boyfriends
2% of all domestic violence cases are reported

You want to know why

When a woman says she is raped or beaten people blame her or don't believe her. How sick is today's society. Instead of punishing the guy who did it, the women are getting shunned from the family.

You are a idiot, and and ignorant a**hole if you really believe those things. SHUT UP and first understand the topic you are talking about, and ask yourself if you are properly educated to say anything.

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It horrifies me that there are people who are writing on this board with such little insight into what really happened to Kiranjit Ahluwalia and women like her. I am a law student and I had to study her case last year as part of my coursework, and I can tell you now that it was not an easy read.

The point of the film is not necessarily that she killed her husband, but that the English law as it currently stands discriminates against women who kill when under provocation. The law only allows provocation to be taken into account when it is an immediate response to violence/discovery of infidelity of your partner.

It has been proven that women react differently to provoking behaviour than men. While men are more likely to react immediately with violence, women tend to wait until their attacker has finished the attack and respond when he is indisposed, as in the Ahluwalia case. This is called a "slow burn" reaction, and is common to most cases where abused women assault or kill their abusive partners.

The law does not recognise this reaction as being sufficient to fulfil the criteria for provocation, but recognises provocation in terms of an immediate and impulsive violent reaction, which means that cases involving men who claim to be provoked are more likely to be considered favourably than those involving women.

Unless you have been in the exact same situation as Kiranjit Ahluwalia, you cannot possibly begin to understand how she felt or what she went through. Battered woman syndrome is now a recognised psychological illness - women who have experienced similar attacks on their person and their psyche by their partners begin to exhibit similar types of behaviour. They begin to believe they deserve this treatment, that their partner is perfectly entitled to treat them in this manner, and that this is what their life is going to be. It is no wonder that some women snap.

If Kiranjit had fought back during her husband's final attack on her, there is every chance she would have been killed, due to the physical differences between them and the psychological torture she had been put through for years. She could not go to her family, as they would not help. She could not go to the police and risk being ostracised from her family. She was a woman who felt (rightly or wrongly) that she had no other option.

Many Western women who are battered by their husbands/partners stick around for more. They do not take the "escape routes" provided for by the law and various refuges, because they are conditioned to stay and take the abuse, or they believe that the law will not be able to protect them. Add to this the enormous cultural difference between a Western woman and an Indian woman from a strict family who has entered an arranged marriage, and you may begin to understand why Kiranjit reacted as she did.

I think it would be wise for those who do not believe that battered women in this type of situation deserve a modicum of leniency (and I'm not saying that they should be acquitted entirely) from the legal system to imagine if it was their mother, or their sister, or their daughter, in that situation. What would you want to do to Deepak Ahluwalia if he had treated a female relation or friend of yours in that manner?

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All good points...But i don't see how you can justify through all your points, that such a person can be glorified in silver screen. Now don't tell me that she is not glorified in this movie.. I have seen the movie.

Moreover, its an Indian movie (english all the same), that has just 2 kinds of people: Heroes and Villains (Not a good point, i agree, but i couldn't help taking a dig on Indian movies :p )

Having said that, Kiranjit has also been honored by none other than Cherie Blair, which IMHO is quite disturbing !

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I'm the same poster as the one above (I was posting from my brother's account - a mistake). Now, since I have no idea how bad the abuse was, I might have gone too far with the label of 'cold-blooded killer.' My point was that I was sickened by the portrayal of her as a 'hero.' If they portrayed the woman as a poor, abused victim who made the wrong decision to escape from her misery, I'd have no problem with it, I'd even applaud it. But the movie as it is right now is giving out the wrong message - that it is ok to kill. I'm afraid of the impact this could have. Women who are in a dispute with their boyfriends/husbands and who do not get their way could kill their partners and claim 'abuse' afterwards to escape the consequences. In fact, this already happens, and it is frightening.

Also, to reiterate on of my points, abuse isn't just physical. Women are quite capable of severe emotional abuse, and I think you are underestimating the damaging impact that can have.

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i was thinking about this a bit yesterday and i understand why u think that she had no right to kill him. BUT she had every right to defend herself. she probably felt like she needed to kill him before he killed her. she felt the need to destroy his life in order to be able to live in peace.


u said that her act was cowardly.. but whats more cowardly: beating up a fragile and defenseless woman or burning the person who has pretty much made u a slave?


and also i KNOW women can be more emotionally damaging... both my aunts are evidence of ur point. however, u cant say that there are more abused husbands than there are wives. i said this before and ill say it again: if there was a fact-based movie about an abused husband then id definately go watch it.


the message of the movie is not that it is ok to kill. the message (seems to be) that it is important to stand up for yourself, to not give up. i guess we wont truly know what the message of the movie is unless we actually go watch it..

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"i was thinking about this a bit yesterday and i understand why u think that she had no right to kill him. BUT she had every right to defend herself. she probably felt like she needed to kill him before he killed her. she felt the need to destroy his life in order to be able to live in peace."

I understand your way of thinking, but why couldn't she go to the police? They would have arrested him and she would have been free of him then too.

"u said that her act was cowardly.. but whats more cowardly: beating up a fragile and defenseless woman or burning the person who has pretty much made u a slave?"

Good point, you're right.

"and also i KNOW women can be more emotionally damaging... both my aunts are evidence of ur point. however, u cant say that there are more abused husbands than there are wives. i said this before and ill say it again: if there was a fact-based movie about an abused husband then id definately go watch it."

Why can't I say it, did you even read the link? I'm not saying there are more abused husbands than abused wives, I'm saying that the number is about even - you just don't hear about the abused husbands because they don't want to be seen as 'weak' for seeking help. Read this sickening story: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-hot03.html

"the message of the movie is not that it is ok to kill. the message (seems to be) that it is important to stand up for yourself, to not give up. i guess we wont truly know what the message of the movie is unless we actually go watch it.."

I can see how that can be the message, though I still don't like how they are praising her for murdering her husband. Like I said earlier, if they made that the message but still condemned her for choosing to kill as a way to escape her problems, I'd have no issues with this movie.

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dude!!!............u even havent seen the movie and u r claiming that Kiranjit is pronounced as a hero...........no she is not, she is just shown to be a woman who finally decided to end the abuse and defend herself.....

lets looks at the facts...

- Kiranjit was abused by her husband for 10 years which included fabulous things like: beatings using shoes and belts, frequent incessant RAPE, burning with electric iron, pushing a PREGNANT kiranjit down the stairs, death threats etc. etc.

- Deepak (Kiran's husband) would not allow her to eat thing like chillies or drnk coffee and would accuse not only Kiran bu his mother of indiscretions. she was basically his slave.

- Kiran asked her brothers (only immediate family) and in-laws to help but they asked her to go back and be a good wife and work on the marriage. she tried to get a divorce and tried therapy to but to no avail. She ran away from her husband and was forced back and abused even more.

- SHE HAD 2 COURT INJUNCTIONS AGAINST DEEPAK TO STOP THE ABUSE BUT HE DID NOT STOP.

- Deepak had cheated on Kiran and had numerous mistresses, on whom he sould spend lavishly.

- Deepak had threatened Kiran that he would 'break her legs'.

- Imagine the kind of fear and psychological damage that must have been caused over a period of 10 years. finally she snapped and wanted to teach him a lesson........so she decided that she would burn his feet so that he would not come after her to break her legs........but the fire just escalated.......she never wanted to kill him.....

and KIRAN served 3 years in Jail.....for involuntary manslaughter......she was not honorably discharged from prison but she served her sentence.......

and see the movie MY WIFE's MURDER......in which the husband accidently kills his Nagging wife.......one day he snaps at his wife when he can't take her VERBAL abuse anymore and slaps her..........her head hits a sharp furniture object and she dies.......and they portray the husband (ANil Kapoor)as a sympathetic character....why dont u whine about that movie huh....

so before u start making further more rants, and make a fool out of urself.........please do a little homework......u sound like a MCP: Male Chauvinistic Pig....

ps: u can find evidence, witness testimony and news coverage for the Kiran's case that will clear things for u.......all u need to do is make a little effort....

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I totally agree with markhotdude's post. Whoever you are, you are right. You did your research, and you know the facts. Thankyou for speaking up. You are right, she was abused not just verbally but physically and sexually, and she didn't deserve that. I hate the stupid double standards that people impose. It is okay for a man to "accidentally" killed his wife because she was just verbally abusing him, but it isn't okay for a woman to accidentally kill her husband because he was abusing her in ways that aren't even imaginable. Whoever believes that She should have gone to jail for murder needs to go to hell.

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Hey dude, screw the movie, she was made a heroine in real life, if i remember she received an award from none other than Cherie Blair !! Well, in most Indian movies, the victims are the eventual heroes, and bad guys are really bad. IMHO, this movie is no different..Its one thing to use the silver screen to educate people about atrocities to women, but another to glorify a vengeful murderer.

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- Kiran asked her brothers (only immediate family) and in-laws to help but they asked her to go back and be a good wife and work on the marriage. she tried to get a divorce and tried therapy to but to no avail. She ran away from her husband and was forced back and abused even more.

- SHE HAD 2 COURT INJUNCTIONS AGAINST DEEPAK TO STOP THE ABUSE BUT HE DID NOT STOP.


Aparently they failed to portray all this in the movie. Or was it just edited in the version I saw?

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Are you so ignorant that you can't realize that in cases of domestic violence, going to the police usually yields absolutely nothing? They can't arrest him if they don't have grounds and it's usually a case of he-said-she-said. Generally, the victims just get sent back with nothing in terms of help.

I'm not even saying she was right, but to say that she should have just gone to the police is total ignorant bullshi t.

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I read her biography a couple of times before and she did go to the police twice. Both of the times she was sent home, police officers didn't believe her or didn't file up the case. She just needed to defend herself, and as she did this, she thought it was the last thing she could do to protect herself. I rather kill a person who has been mistreating me, hitting me, raping me and doing all the kinds of things Deepak did to her, than letting him continue treating me as a worthless piece of human being. If no one believed her, not even her parents and family, she had to protect herself. And I believe he was even lucky to have a relatively short death. Imagine the way he was killing her every time he beated her, raped her or insulted her. He died in a matter of hours or even minutes. Kiranjit died little by little for ten years. Please before u make this type of chauvinist comments, read and make a little research about what really happened.

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There is a movie like that moviefan225. it is called 'men don't tell'. Not a good movie but it makes a point. I dont understand what the whole who hits who discussion is about. cant we just put it on one line and say that (domestic) violence is wrong no matter who does it to who. Who the hell is in the arrogant position to say that his or her own suffering is worse than that of others?

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I am shocked and appalled by so much of what is said here. Are any of you victims/survivors of domestic violence? Do any of you know what it takes to wake up every morning, battered and bruised and feeling less like a human being and more like a punching bag, ready for yet MORE abuse?

I have not watched this movie, but any woman who can come out of a horrifying situation such as this, when you don't know when next the man you love is going to strike, and survive, is more than a hero - she is a survivor. You can stand on the outside of a situation and judge and sneer, but none of us knew this woman. Though a movie is used as a medium to convey the emotion and turmoil the protagonist goes through, it can never compare to the sheer horror someone lives through day to day.

Rape is a horrific experience, but to be repeatedly raped by the father of your children - I can never imagine.

There are movies that are released year after year that glorify individuals who fight wars that we as a nation had no right to fight (you know what i'm talking about). Yet, when a woman (or a man) reacts in self-defence and perhaps even after years of anger and depression, to protect her CHILDREN and herself, we get up in arms about it and brand HER a murderer.

I am sickened that even in today's society where EVERYONE (animals, children, trees) have rights, that still DOMESTIC VIOLENCE is still so misunderstood. Everyday 2 women die at the hands of their partners (correct me if I'm wrong)- this is in the UK alone. What are the police doing? What are you doing? You sit at your computer and condemn a fragile, scared, INNOCENT woman for an act of self-defence.


I would love to see what many of you would SAY (never mind DO) if someone stood on your little toe!!

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Great point about glamorizing war heroes who do the state sanctioned killing of thousands of innocent men, women and kids. State-sanctioned killing is still killing and as we know almost all wars are fought for the benefit of status quo of those in power and not for the reasons given, they are immoral thus all those who line up to kill for the state are not doing anything heroic even if they think they are.

Secondly, even in this movie, the judge who initially ruled was extremely biased in his presentation and the later judge did not want to declare his own kind to be in wrong, men protecting men, those in power protecting others in power, that is what is disgusting. What is disgusting is the mother in law who denied she ever saw her son abusing his wife, she represents many women in southasia who as mother in laws who participate in the oppression of other women as their daughter in laws either by inciting their sons, silence or other means.

And not to say murder of anyone should be glorified but even international law permits fighting by any means necessary the occupation, she was under siege, culturally as well as by the power structures refusing to believe her, which is not uncommon, again men protecting men. Read Standford Prison experiment to see how perfectly normal human beings became helpless when put under fake imprisonment and hardship, they did not think they could leave even though the could end the experiment at any time they wished, this is the psychological power of abuse so learn something about it before you say things like why did she not just leave.

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Did you also forget that she didnt mean to kill him because she just wanted to harm him and of course she did this in state of mind that was ..well basically crazy. When she did find out he died she said she deserved to be in jail and for what she got because she has sinned. Remember that. She never said well you know what he deserved to die so I also deserved to get out of jail; thats what was unique about this movie. She is a hero not because she murdered her husband, but because she did something that gave awareness of household abuse and how women now have options; she basically made a revolution.

So rather than being so narrow minded about this situation and getting on your highhorse just think carefully about what you would have done if you were ever in that kind of a situation. And I know you think oh it would have been easier for her to go to the cops; what are they going to do? put him in jail for a day? then he can come back to kill her? There is no way out for women like this, you need to read more stories on many outcomes of these cases because you seem to have absolutly no idea how it works. So go back to where ever you came from and keep your pathetic claim you think your are making to yourself becauase everybody in here thinks you are a fool and will perhaps even turn out to be a murderer and a rapist yourself!

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She HAD already spoken to the police (they did nothing).
She HAD tried to leave (he hunted her down and beat her so badly she had no strength to get away).
She HAD tried to kill herself (but she was saved).
She DIDN'T intend to kill him (she was trying to burn his feet so that he could not chase after her this time, she intended to leave. She also wanted him to live with scars like those he left her with.)

I don't think there is any excuse for murder however this was a situation that got out of hand. It didn't matter if she intended her actions to kill him, the result was that they DID and so she should be dealt with accordingly. However accordingly SHOULD have been manslaughter as it is with anything else that unintentionally led to the death of another, and probably GBH also. She certainly shouldn't spend life in prison for murder and she had already served the time for manslaughter by the time she was released.

She's not a cold blooded killer. In an interview this morning she even expressed remorse that her children were now fatherless, even if he was terribly abusive.

Anyway, that's all the info I have on the subject so I'm not debating it further, just pointing areas overlooked by your post.



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I have read the book written by Kiranjit Ahluwalia and I am afraid in my opinion - the book portrays her as a rather crazy individual. I am a woman in my 40's and in no way condone violence of any sort - but in the book, KA confirmed that her husband left her and she forced him to come back, more than once. If things were that bad between them why did she keep on harrassing him and begging him to come back to her. They were both aware of his terrible temper and exactly what he was capable of when it came to her. From my point of view he wanted to be shot of her as much as she wanted to be shot of him - yet she made him come back home only to burn him alive. None of it made sense to me. Having lent the book to a few friends both male and female - we all came to the same conclusion. If the film is called 'Provoked' - one may look at it from her dead husbands point of view and say she 'provoked' him many a time.

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She had to fight for her survival! End of story! Women are abused all of the time and more than men. If she wouldn't have killed him, he would have certainly killed her.

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"Women are abused all of the time and more than men."

This is an outright lie. They are not abused all the time, and men are victims as much as women are. Domestic abuse does not happen nearly as often as the feminized media will tell you, and no, surveys are not reliable evidence. Did you guys even read the link I provided? Why don't you do a little research before you make yourself look like a fool! Do not mistake reported cases of abuse as fact, as women have been known to make false claims all the time. I'm not a MCP, it is so lame to use personal attacks. I'm just tired of female murderers getting off easy all the time, and there are endless amounts of excuses for them. You still haven't answered my question as to why she didn't go to the police. There was nothing stopping her. Don't give me the BS that he threatened her if she told anyone. The police would have protected her and arrested her husband, and he would have been powerless to do anything.

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Dude, if you'd read above, she DID go to the authorities. If you believe that the police would go out of their way to help a woman who probably cannot prove anything and is so emotionally battered she can no longer defend herself...you are seriously deluded.

They can only provide an ORDER for him to stay away from her. What can she do if he comes after her? Do you really think that even if she called for help, that they'd get there before she's killed or dragged off or abused even more?
Do you think she would even be able to GET to the phone?

They won't arrest him the first few times...there are way too many cases for them to arrest every abuser!

And don't get so pissed off about the issue above. Many guys, murderers, rapists and what-nots are also released with minimal punishment because of a lack of evidence. And women are very easily affected mentally. Btw...yes I am a female. :)

I'm not saying she was right...I am saying that sometimes things are not so black and white and if we've never suffered abuse or been in that horrible state of mind, how can we judge? Look at the shades of gray too...

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I'm sorry, my mistake, I shouldn't have come off as so angry. My whole point was not just with this particular case, it is with domestic abuse laws as a whole. Contrary to popular belief, women DO abuse men just as often as men abuse women. Don't you find it strange how the media goes out of the way to portray women to be 'just as strong' as men yet in the cases of domestic violence the woman is always a little weak victim while the man is always a big, strong, aggressive brute - even when the man is the one being abused? Also, domestic abuse isn't anywhere near the epidemic feminists make it out to be. I thought the police would take him away from her, I guess I was wrong, my mistake.

I know I came off as a MCP, and I know I've shown my ignorance on this case, but my point was broader than that. While there are rapists and wife-beaters that unfortunately get off the hook, there are MANY female abusers, female criminals, and female murderers who get off the hook simply because of their gender. For example, a man who can't pay child support goes directly to jail, while a woman who abandons her child gets cared for. Also, despite the increasing trend of female teachers having sex with their students, they are not seen as pedophiles. This is because the male student is seen as 'a lucky bastard.'

Read this link, it provides evidence that violence against men is way more prevalent than violence against women. Granted, much of the violence is done by a man to another man, but there are a significant amount of females responsible as well. The vast majority of the victims of violence (not domestic violence, just violence in general) are MALES, so you can see why I get tired of females whining about oppression and the supposed epidemic of violence against women. They constantly play the victimhood card, even when they are the aggressor. So why don't men play the victimhood card more, even when they are victims more than women are? There are reasons for this:

1. Seeking help would make people think they are 'sissies' or 'wimps.'
2. There isn't much help available for men who are victimized.
3. The media spreads the myth that the man is always the aggressor, while the woman is always the victim.
4. Always acting like a victim makes you look like a pathetic whiner.

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I guess we could always say that throughout history, women have been opressed for so long that the idea that women are "weak" has stuck. *shrugs*

I'm sure there are many cases where males get abused too but sometimes when it comes to cases, there's no point in looking at a whole. This is an isolated case where the woman was seriously abused, physically and mentally...and she made a mistake. In that moment of insane desperation she set fire to his feet so he wouldn't come after her...she had no intention to kill.

Besides, she did pay for it. I'm not just talking about jail...imagine how her family must be reacting to this. If they were the kind that could send her back to that abusive husband, they won't be supportive of her and would desert her. She's alone with children to care for.

I guess men too should start coming out and not being afraid. There isn't much help because apparently there isn't anyone to help. If this issue is important to you, you could bring it up in public forums or even in the news. There's nothing wrong with voicing one's opinions! :)

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At least six persons including myself have already written, she did go to hte police, she didn't go once, she did go twice. And it is not true that all women who kill hteir partners are free. That only shows how ignorant some people may be. I live in Latin America, im not saying every men in here abuses his wife, but u should see the amount of beaten girls, women and children. Make some research. I tell you read her case and after u analyzed a bit, then come and discuss.

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Maybe I misread about the case, but as far as I understand it she wasnt exactly let off from being charged with killing, but the defence of provocation was created from her case to allow in some cases for a urder charge to be downgraded to manslaughter. So it only acts as a partial defence.

"Now men are going to be afraid to even upset their wives/girlfriends, because they know they could be killed for it (and the murderers would get away with it too)"

Again maybe Im mistaken in my reading, but Im pretty sure the defence is only available in extreme cases.

Will have to double check my facts maybe

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Hey I've seen a movie where the woman in the end was killed because shes been causing trouble, and heart break and tried to kill him etc. That didn't piss me off. By the end of the movie I was like "Yay" because she deservedto die..lol

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"Now men are going to be afraid to even upset their wives/girlfriends, because they know they could be killed for it (and the murderers would get away with it too)"


Are you pro-violence or just a sadist? My question to you is, should men even dare mistreat women? bcz I find THAT 'absolutely sickening.'

By the way did you bother to see the film? Didn't think so.

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I read an interview with Kiranjit in a magazine the other day and I felt sickened whist reading it. The physical, sexual and mental abuse that woman endured is absoulutely astonishing. I couldn't believe it. I suggest [Bulletbill4] knows what she went through before mouthing off about her and actually 'defending' Deepak, who deserves to rot in hell for what he put Kiranjit through. No one can put themselves in that situation but before she killed him, he was not only beating her on a daily basis, but he held an iron to her face! I guess something, naturally, inside her just snapped.
I think if it was the other way round, a man killing a woman for abusing him for countless years, i'd think people would understand and i don't think there would be any controversary. Because no human being, regardless of their sex deserves to be treated that way. It makes me feel physically sick.

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Can you please post the article...I would be really intersted in reading it. I want to know the actual details of what happened...because the movie is just a celluloid adaptation of it.

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Keep in mind that I have not seen this movie, but I'm assuming you haven't. It was self defense, against a man who had been abusing and raping her for years, and would have killed her eventually. Is shooting someone about to shoot you wrong? The world isn't black and white. Grow up.

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BulletBill14, ever heard of battered person syndrome? Read more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battered_woman_defence

Gong Li is Stunning: http://youtube.com/watch?v=1FQOEiNaZqg

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have any of the people who post saying that this film is "disgusting" actually taken the time to watch the film. I'm a law student and know the case inside out and provocation is in no way an excuse to murder. the law places tests on defendant's to insure it cannot be used as a loophole in law. you cannot possibly begin to understand what this woman must have been going through. i cannot imagine them portraying her as a hero, from what i have seen it seemed that they are saying her only way of escape was to get rid of him forever. she was in the u.k. as a result of marrying this man and it must be the most difficult situation when the one person you think you can trust turns on you. why don't you do your research before you pass judgement on something that you cannot comprehend?
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Self-defense is an "excuse." And what was she supposed to do? Get a piece of paper saying he couldn't come with 100 yds of her? Have him locked in jail for a couple of years, then out and able to do anything to her? Not to mention being in a foreign country away from family> I'm not saying she's right, but from her perspective, it probabl seemed like the only escape.

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I cannot believe that so many people are chatting like this. This film is showing what one woman has gone through and the ways in which she dealt with the problems. I dont think that she is right in what she did, but when you are getting mental and physical torture im sure she felt this was her only option when you have no-one to turn to. I cant imagine anyone going through all that she did. At the end of the day, its a movie, its informative and i cant wait to watch it. Whoever does not want to watch it, shouldnt

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i just think aishwarya is disgusting period....she looks like she has eating disorders among other health problems.

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