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George W. Bush would love this film (spoiler warning)


So horrible.

So the one guy is working in an orphanage but he gets asked by another guy (who also has a HUGE heart of gold) to take over for him when he passes.
Thankfully the little Indian kid didn't need the first guy very much so he could go fulfill his destiny as the father to some white kids.

This would make the writers of Snow White AND Cinderella blush.

Pramod was TOTALLY cool with it at the end. He's too busy playing soccer to care that the guy ditched him for a white family.

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and what is your point?

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That if it was made by an American it would be, justifiably, condemned and reviled for being so classist that it would make even make the cheeks at the White House turn pink with embarrassment.

"Corny' doesn't even begin to cover it.

This is the worse, most offensive film I've seen in years.

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I find the movie way too corny as well but why anybody would say that it is racist is beyond me.

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your an idiot gendead

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Nice response.

You really made me reconsider my position.

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" This is the worse [sic], most offensive film I've seen in years."

it was bad - almost drivel.

the white man's burden is an awesome load, is it not ??

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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The point of the movie seemed to me to be about what will you do for love, redemptiion, and to survive. The movie went with the world as it is. The wealthy tend to be in predominatly white countries and the poor in countries not predominatly white. Although this is not to say there are not wealthy peope in all countries, but it is quit obvious where the wealth is in this world. I believe this why the story takes place in the countires potrayed in the film. Maybe that was also meant to be represeted in this movie as well.
Jorgen, Jacob, and Helen were all working on redemption on issues ocurring in their past that dealt with things they did in the name of love. As far as Jorgen wanting them to be taken care of, it obviously wasn't for money. I think it was for love. He wanted his wife to be happy and he wanted his "daughter" to know her biological father. I suppose he knew he could have found him all along. I don't see it as sexist as you could have easly switched the stories around for husband and wife. He did it out of love. Real love the kind that wants someones happiness.
If he had been selfish, he never would have wanted them to find eachother. Jacob had to choose between 65,000 other children and his own daughter or the child he had raised. The most difficult decision of all. A cruel choice Jorgen forced him to make for the love he had for his family. you will do a lot of things for the people you love. It appears to me they all did.

These are my thoughts.

P.S I don't think George Bush would have liked it. It wan't a simple move for a simple minded man.

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WAIT!!!

Didn't he validate the terms of that modified "project" by staying behind, ultimately getting more money for the little poor kids?

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The writers of both Snow White and Cinderella were German, not Walter Disney. They had nothing whatsoever to do with whichever Bush, thank you very much.

Want a peanut?

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Corny mayebe but I like the way it keeps you guessing about Jorgens true intentions...until it's obvious.

If White America Told The Truth For One Day It's World Would Fall Apart

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Also found the ending rather odd, as they had such a close relationship and he did say earlier that he wouldn't of minded living in Denmark.

Although this film was rather lightweight it was a change for a modern Danish film not to lay the emotions and tragedy on really thick.

The characters even became more likeable as the film progressed rather than peeling off the layers to reveal how awful and fragile they are.

All the same this was no Breaking the Waves

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Wait a minute: I just saw the film and you say you didn't like it because it was all a little too neatly wrapped up with a happy ending? Too syrupy even?

Funny, I didn't find anyone necessarily happy or getting what he/she wanted in the end of the film. I found the ending quite dark, but with some chance of redemption for some of the characters in the film eventually.

Needless to say I really liked it, and as a Swede may I say how jealous I am of you Danes who can't seem to be able to make bad films at the moment. Hell, you even make the Swedish "routine over-acting" disappear!

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I absolutely agree with Rushmore Elite. I also found the ending rather dark. Just another amazing danish film, said by someone who is German.

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Gendead, maybe it isn't about a PC ending. Maybe it is all about what a normal person might do under the circumstances.

I mean, how many people do you know who wouldn't make a similar decision? Abandon one child to help 65.000 of them?

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Oh my. Every time I think of upbraiding somebody, he says something cute.

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I'm so confused. The problem with this is that it was too classicist? What a bizarrely light way to see the film. If you thought the whole point was that he was going to live with the children, rather than actually care for them, then you are clearly insane. What a silly post.

I thought that the ending was pretty dark, was very much one that made you think, and above all made the point that nothing is easy in life. :P

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He didn't abandon the children in the orphanage. If he had refused the offer, the orphanage would have closed for lack of funds, so he really had no choice. This was made clear throughout the film. He also offered the child he was attached to an opportunity to move to Denmark with him, but the child refused because of all the capital improvements that had been made to the facility.

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I think the scene between Jacob and Pramod at the end showed that in a way Jakob needed Pramod more than the little boy needed him. Jakob had nobody in his life to fulfil him and no family in Denmark, so to him those kids in India were everything. Pramod's whole life is India. It's where he grew up and for better or worse, it is his home. And don't forget - it was Jakob who initially broke his promise to Pramod because he realised that he was growing emotionally attached to Anna. Maybe Pramod didn't trust him as much after that.

I wasn't so keen on the White Saviour undertones throughout this film, but Jorgen's character provided a harsh truth. You can mean well but plan poorly, and Jakob's projects always fell through and the children he was looking after continued suffering. Jakob was a little self-centred in that he partially used those kids to feel better about himself and his life, I think, and was too caught up in his ideals to think clearly. Jorgen had the right idea. With all that money and the fund, those kids will now have the better life. Still, I don't think it was right for Jorgen to force Jakob to remain in Denmark. Someone upthread noted that Jorgen's family was loaded as hell... why on earth would Jakob need to take care of them? Anna was a grown woman and Helene could have looked after the twins by herself, especially with her resources. I would have liked to see Anna and Jakob moving back to India to live there, after all Anna was open to the idea of at least going to visit the country.

I liked the film overall, it wasn't perfect but the performances were fantastic.

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Absolutely right. Three stinking rich orphans and a spoiled widow need him more than the orphans in India. And the dying guy thinks he can play God and arrange everything his way and he gets away with it.
A really simplistic attitude. I truly wish life were that simple.

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As some people before me, I very much do not agree with your interpretation of what happened. I found the ending heartbreaking (like much of the movie), because Jacob was rejected by Pramod and left standing there, alone, no longer a part of his previous life in India. In my opinion, if it had been a cliche ending, Jacob would have gotten it all - his new family as well as his little orphan. The way it is, he sacrificed Pramod and his life in India (both of which he obviously loved) for Jorgen's family.

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In my idea it would be more heartbreaking if he had refused his new Danish family and 12 mil... at least for Jacob. I'm sure Anna would continue to donate the money to good causes, just like her (step)father. But then, Jacob wouldn't have an all white family and big bucks, would he?

Besides, I know something about children. It isn't very difficult to convince an eight year old to go away with his father figure... especially if this new place has new toys and stuff.

In my opinion the only heartbreaking part was Jorgen's sickness and his family's reaction to it.

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But then, Jacob wouldn't have an all white family and big bucks, would he?

What does skin colour have to do with any of this?


Besides, I know something about children. It isn't very difficult to convince an eight year old to go away with his father figure... especially if this new place has new toys and stuff.

But it is pretty much left open in the end whether or not Pramod goes to Denmark with Jacob. Sure, he says no at first, but we also know that Jacob will stay for a few more days, so it's possible Pramod will change his mind.

Then, of course, you come to a completely different question: Is leaving your country to live in a much richer one really always better? Is leaving his home really that desirable to Pramod? In my opinion, it's just arrogant to assume that everyone wants to live in "the Western World" and I also think this is why Susanne Bier had Pramod say no.

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I wouldn't say Jacob "sacrificed" Pramod and his life in India. Had he refused to stay in Denmark, he hadn't gotten the money for the children. It was a tricky situation that Jacob was in. And even though the ending seemed heartbreaking, it wasn't a negative ending because in the end jacob looks at how Pramod plays soccer and smiles. The reason for his smile is not truly known, but you can guess why.

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the movie wasn't the deepest of films, but i disagree at there being anything of race involved.

Jacob thought Pramod valued him more, and when it turns out he didn't, he's just a little kid, that's that. Jacob almost gave up living near his own daughter for these kids, and it turns out maybe they didn't need him so bad after all. It's entirely believable, children are finicky like that. Jacob's leaving India for Anne and Co. has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact that Anne is his blood-borne daughter.

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I'm afraid you misunderstand me. There is no racist hint in any of the characters. But, consciously or unconsciously, the ending and logic leaves doubts in one's mind.

Pramod looks forward to Jacob's arrival for his birthday. That's not what an uncaring child would do. Also, if I remember correctly, towards the start of the film he had said, maybe he could go the Denmark with Jacob one day. That's not something a child, who has a strong aversion against somewhere, would say.

Even if he had a very strong aversion, a parent wouldn't leave such an important decision, which would also benefit the child, to the child's spontaneous will.

I have a feeling that the script writer, unconsciously, gave the audience a pure white ending, in accordance with the instincts of his audience.

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I was disappointed that this film directed by a woman, so blatantly fell into a patriarchal and passe plot trap. Not to mention, all the machinations of a Romance Novel/Soap Opera.

You have your strong, silent hero with the ignoble past who is presently redeeming himself by living the life of a monk whilst working to save a bunch of cuddly and lovable orphans from starvation and squalor.

Then there's the rich old bloated, alchoholic (and dying!) patriarch who moves people around like chess pieces, "arranges" for the wandering sire to return to his homeland to take over for him when he departs the earth.

Why in the world can't Helene (the mother) and Anna (daughter) take care of themselves? It's not like Helene has to work, and Jorgen must have a clue that she was never madly in love with him. Plus, Anna isn't even his daughter. Anna is an adult. She's married (granted, to a little turd), and perfectly capable of sorting out her own problems-- hey, maybe even get a JOB. Helene will never have to work, but could/should find a fulfilling interest, but obviously Jorgen has no faith in her as a mature and motivated agent. Heck, she isn't even given the choice of selecting her own future mate.

The most insipid plot device is the insistance that Jacob choose between living his life as he wants to (working with the orphans in India), OR getting the money and having to remain in Denmark to become ad hoc head of the soon-to-be-(step)-fatherless family. Cripes! It's been TWENTY years. Jacob and Helene had to be, like, eighteen to twenty years old when they separated. Can you imagine being "forced" to take up with some guy you dated in college? Now that you're FORTY?? And "make a family" with him/her AND an adult child you've never met???

The assumption that there's any deep love between genetically-related people who don't even know each other is unrealistic. Pure contrivance.

Maybe the filmmaker was presenting this as satire or social commentary-- attempting to show us, sadly, how antiquated things still are in many repects, rather than romanticizing an untenable system. After all, Anna does stand up at the wedding and begins her speech with, "I know it's not customary for the bride to speak, BUT..."

And although she confidently states, "I'd better go home and take care of my husband" while attending a gabfest of girlfriends, she is punished for both THIS indiscretion (and her neglect of grown-up domestic duty), as well as her mother's (having married for money), as she finds her betrothed getting his all-important needs filled by an available chippy. We are all too clearly shown, Christian has married her for HER money. Ahh, the sins of the mother...

So like lots of rich old white men, the Big (step)Daddy will have his way. 65,000 starving orphans in a Third World otherworld? Why get your hands dirty? Eh-- throw money at the problem. The vulgar, feudal entrepreneur-turned-conglomerate head will leverage his buying power to make sure that his fiefdom continues long after he's gone.

Maybe the director did her best to put a interpret the original story-- written by a man. I wish she had dared to suggest a more modern cultural script. Maybe her next effort will give us more hope that things can change.

Hmmm. George Bush probably WOULD love this film.

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Ditto, brother.

It's clear you have a better way with words than I do.

(Though, I haven't had the impression that Helene married for money. It IS possible to really fall for a guy who is rich or has potential to be rich, you know.)

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The movie is a device which presents us with a dilema. The central dilema is "could you sacrifice your relationship with one child to save 65,000 others?" What would you do? How could you justify it? The wisdom of Solomon is needed here. There is no perfect answer. The story that is built to present this dilema is just a construct of a writer's imagination. We can only guess at what characters might do and at what really happened - the truth is they will only ever do what the writer has them do! And it will always support the goal of presenting the dilema. That is why Pamrod declines Jacob's invitation - even though we maybe cannot imagine a REAL child doing this. If he had accepted the dilema would not be so accute. When we start applying realism and logic to the conclusion of the movie it totally breaks down the poignancy of the issue. I mean really - he could have broken the deal and Anna still would have supported his orphanage.

As for the question of racism - I think we bring a cultural bias with us to any movie we see... If I start to look at this as realism rather than allegory then I am greatly troubled that a man could leave a child he has raised since infancy for ANY reason. To others this is less significant and I wonder if it could be because of race - just a thought and ponderance - not a judgement.

I was very moved by this film.

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I believe the writer wanted us to change our opinion of the millionaire. At first we see him as a bully throwing his money around, but as the film goes on we see him as a caring husband and father. How many men would spend their dying days trying to arrange a marriage for their soon-to-be widows? I don't think the wife married him only for his money. He's a decent guy.

As for the comment about love between birth parents and their long-lost children; this may seem illogical, but it happens.

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gendead...although i rly enjoyed the film i have to say...my sentiments exactly!!

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