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FOR THE LAST TIME!!!

posted 18 years ago by Baphomet1307
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It doesn't matter how good it looks, it doesn't matter how much you spent on it, and it doesn't matter if Lucas likes it (it REALLY doesn't matter if Lucas likes it!) THERE IS NO GRAVITY IN THE VACUUM OF SPACE! I'm sick of watching sci-fi (Hollywood or indie) that shows ships/debis falling in space. For crying out loud! Why is such an elementary fact always overlooked by people that one would expect at least graduated middle school?

Where does all the debris fall to? is there some sort of ground that astronomers and quantum physicists aren't telling us about? If so, the pile of spaceship wreckage must be astounding.
The part I'm talking about is when a tie fighter hits some big thing that's sticking off some other big thing and thing #1 begins to fall and crashes into some other big thing (12 min. and 30 sec. into the film). There is no falling in space!!!

I could have come on here and offered up harsh critisicims on all the things I did not like about this film, and I could have come on here to applaude the things I found commendable. But within the first 15 min. it's established that in this paticular galaxy long time ago and far, far away, gravity exists in space.

DO NOT come on here saying, "Hey, cut the guy some slack, he made this film all by himself!" WHOOPTY $#!+!!! The guy wanted to make a Star Wars fan film and compared to the scores of others (sarcasm in his favor) doing it he should be the most proud, but he should not expect special treatment because he didn't have a studio backing him. If you want people to see it, expect some to dislike it.

All in all the technicals we're extremely impressive and most likely the motivation for making this film. Production design was above adequate. The stodgy storyline was highlighted with bad pacing and the acting was community theatre at best, and that's what it takes to be the best Star Wars fan film I've ever seen. Which, despite the harshness of the previous statement, says a lot. You have to respect those who even attempt to make Sci-Fi fan films. The harder the genre, the tougher your job is...but don't use that as a defense when confronted with critiscism.

Anyway, sorry 'bout the rant!

"Bad luck isn't brought by broken mirrors, but by broken minds."

[–] randysem 18 years ago

No gravity in the vacuum of space? How do you suppose Earth stays in it's orbit around the sun? Or anyother planet for that matter. Or how we can see the sun's corona when there is a solar eclipse. Chance?

"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."
Confucius

[–] tamaycoD 16 years ago

Gravity is present within the core of the earth, not in the vacuum of space. Things do not "fall down" in space for this reason, however other planets do have some degree of their own gravitational force a force also present within their cores. The act of rotating keeps us on this earth. Should we stop rotating we would experience this decrease of gravitational pull.
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[–] randysem 16 years ago

Where do you get this stuff? The reason you don't fall down in space is because there is no 'down'. Where would down be?

And I think you are confused with either artificial gravity or centrifugal force. Or with the magnetic field which most likely is caused by the dynamo effect which assumes that this field is caused by fluids in the Earth’s liquid outer core. The magnetic field is very handy for a number of reasons. Like for birds to navigate. But it sure doesn’t keep our feet on the surface.

And if there wouldn’t be any gravity in space, how would the Earth and the other planets stay in their orbits around the Sun? Or the Moon and satellites in their orbits around the Earth?

"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."
Confucius

[–] tamaycoD 16 years ago

Lol. This is a science lesson! Yes, centrifugal force is not gravity - however one exhibits some of the properties of the other. Everything with any mass exhibits some gravitational properties of its own. All planets have a gravitational pull, some strong, some weak. Mostly it's the atmosphere that determines strength of gravity. Planets orbit because there is gravity from all of them acting on each other. It is what keeps galaxies pulled into the cluster they are - without gravity galaxies would not exist the way we see them, they would not have the form we see.

Wisdom is a woman, who loves only a warrior.

[–] rickyc111 12 years ago

**"Gravity is present within the core of the earth..."**

Somewhat a wrong statement when taken in context of your arguement, however:(From http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_earth.html#coregravity)

--"Gravity is universal and exists everywhere. This is the fundamental law of physics. Forces add like vectors, so their direction is very important. If you could be at the exact center, the forces that each bit of Earth matter exerted on you would cancel out (up cancelling down, east cancelling west, etc.). This only occurs for a single point, though, and you would still feel a gravitational force on the rest of your body."--

That also means that it is greater on the surface because that's where the most mass exists.

TYou said that here is no gravity in space? See that moon up above the earth in space? Guess what holds it there? It's the mutual gravity of the earth and the moon. In case you didn't know, it's also why the earth orbits the sun and why the sun orbits the Milky Way galaxy.

Anything that has mass has gravity. The more mass the more gravity.

**"The act of rotating keeps us on this earth. Should we stop rotating we would experience this decrease of gravitational pull."**

Wrong. Let me guess...you flunked the physical sciences..... It's the mass of the earth that keeps us on its surface not the rotation of the earth itself. If the earth would stop revolving we would still be pulled down by earth's gravity because its mass is greater than our own.

But what would happen if the earth stood still?

---"If earth ceased rotating about its axis but continued revolving around the sun and its axis of rotation maintained the same inclination, the length of a year would remain the same, but a day would last as long as a year."

From: Modeling the absence of centrifugal force
http://www.esri.com/news/arcuser/0610/nospin.html

[–] cadeyco 18 years ago

And who's to say it's falling down? only a camera angle, it could be falling left, right or up...

--nothing says "NO!" like mace!--

[–] sherrybear 18 years ago

There are also things called black holes in space.. and it sucks certain debris in.

[–] Roelofs 18 years ago

Thats not true! Another sci-fi lie!!
If you condense all matter of earth to the size of a ping pong ball you would need a speed bigger then the speed of light to get away from its surface. Remember, further away from earths surface less gravity, closer more gravity. Since Einstein told us that it is not possible (to go faster than light) you can’t get away from the surface of this ping pong bal earth, not even light itself . Hence black hole!
The Moon wouldn’t mind if earth is the size it is, or that of a ping pong ball, because its mass didn’t change, so it would just circle around ping pong earth as if nothing happened.

So, Black Holes don’t suck up everything around it.

[–] sherrybear 18 years ago

That's why I said it sucks certain debris in.. it doesn't suck in everything.. I know that but it still does have a pull on things around it.

[–] wawcasey 18 years ago

You were OWNED!

[–] laursch 18 years ago

Of course there is gravity in space. There is no place in the universe where there is no gravity. In space you are actually always falling. Any object in space (in orbit)is falling vertically, and horizontally. Objects in space do not actually float, they fall. Take spaceships for example, they fall and the people inside are also falling. Thats why it looks as if they float.

[–] benjamin-111 18 years ago

A thing that i think i wierd is that noone seems to remember that there is no sound in space. Sound needs a medium to travel in, and there is no such thing in the vacuum of space.. So no cool explosion or laser sounds... :/ hehe

[–] cadeyco 18 years ago

yeah, but then it would be partly a 'silent movie' and not as exciting...

[–] electricafroman 18 years ago

I just happened to be reading an article today that stated that there is gravity in space AND that space is not a vaccum. If I knew that id need the likn I would of saved it... oh well.

Relax make stupid noises

[–] Creej 18 years ago

Also, lightsabers don't work in space, or Jedi mind tricks, or droids' magnetic feet, or the Force, or hyperdrive, or hologram alien chess. Star Wars is so unrealistic.

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[–] kedarothort 18 years ago

Let us not forget that 1) any sufficiently massive body will put out gravity, such as a huge space station through which the tie fighter was flying. Which could be enough to pull down really small debris like that left from a TIE. 2) It's called RICOCHET. Something hits something else really hard, it's either gonna bounc off as a whole, or shatter and the other pieces are gonna move off elsewhere, even if it's slowly. 3) The thing with Grievous' ship? It was in orbit. Meaning gravity was something they could feel. Meaning? Ship flips, people inside feel like they went bottoms up. Ship nosedives, people feel like they're falling forward.

If you're going to spout talk about how physics were incorrectly portrayed, please learn about physics first.

[–] The_Other_Mr_Sark 18 years ago

you need a crash course in sarcasm...

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[–] Boter46 18 years ago

Ever watch Firefly or Serenity? They don't use sound in space.

I was at the premiere event for this movie. The large falling solar panel bugged me, but only because of how *fast* it fell. A number of us asked the director, and he said that if it fell at a "normal" speed, it'd be far too ponderous a sequence.

Tranlsation, people: creative lisence.

[–] hobbitaur 17 years ago

technically, space isn't a complete vacuum nor is it void of gravity. Plus the use of "sound" and "gravity" is for cinematic effect; they are not meant to be accurate representation of space (since 99.9% of us will never experience space travel, we must suspend our disbelief). "Realistic" space battles would be extremely boring (no explosions or sounds). Is that what you people really want?

[–] JntanII 18 years ago

Also, there is no way that ships can create moisture trails in space (as do craft in an atmosphere). I've see many a movie where the creators have mistakenly applied vapor trails to manouvering craft in space, when this si not possible.

But who cares, I watch them and get over it.

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"No bloody fear! We're Aussies!"

[–] b_edwards1015 18 years ago

Oh yeah, that is the ONE thing that isn't realistic about the entire 'Star Wars' universe. You know because we all walk around with jetpacks, laser beams, and swords made out of LIGHT! Has anyone seen that space station we built that was the size of a moon? (You know, I heard they put a laser on it that can blow up PLANETS!) Seen any humans riding around on kangaroos lately? What about little "teddy bears" that stand upright, carry priminitive weapons, understand basic English and have a certain affinity for cookies?

Get a clue man... IT'S A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE!

LOL

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[–] frodovilar 18 years ago

it doesn't matter if ship falls down(it's an imaginary universe), i think that is more important that this actors are really ugly and very very bad actors...

[–] Deputy_Dog 18 years ago

Ahh crap, I've just read all the posts to this thread and suddenly realised...that's 15 mins of my life I won't get back.

I'm off to the pub, anyone coming too?

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[–] ecc-900 18 years ago

Alright, you mentally-eccentric moron,

THIS IS A FREAKIN MOVIE! I mean, suppose you like Daffy Duck. Daffy Duck os your most favorite television show in the history of television. Suppose he were to go into space, with a huge rocket ship, and it gets blown-up by Martians. And the ship pieces fly everywhere at 60 miles per hour. Goddammit, I guess even at a CARTOON, you would scream, throw stuff at the television, and turn your room inside out. I got some advice:

Go back to your corner and play with your Game Boy Color.

[–] Nommie 18 years ago

While I agree with you, you have to realize there is something called "Hollywood physics". In order for things to seem exciting, perilous or at all entertaining, the audience has to be drawn into the movie a certain amount. Humans have lived with things like sound and gravity their entire lives. Take those away, and they feel like they're in an unfamiliar environment. They start to lose interest, things don't seem quite as real to them any more, despite how near to real science or physics they might be. There's no sound in space, true. But can you imagine just how bored you'd feel watching the final battle in Return of the Jedi without sound? Without the sound of laser fire skimming across the hull of the Rebel ships? Of course you can't! You lose the draw and the believability, even though it would be more realistic without sound.

Even though they might be wrong, this sort of thing isn't going anywhere in a long time, so just hang on, and grit your teet ha little every time you see a spaceship fall "down".

By the way, I think you might enjoy this man's site: http://badastronomy.com , he talks a lot about how physics and astronomy differ from fact in the medium of film.

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[–] BritCanuck 18 years ago

Re. "The part I'm talking about is when a tie fighter hits some big thing that's sticking off some other big thing and thing #1 begins to fall and crashes into some other big thing (12 min. and 30 sec. into the film). There is no falling in space!!!"

Not that it matters, it is a (very well done) low budget sci-fi movie - emphasis on "sci-fi" - but perhaps the force of the TIE fighter's explosion helped propel the large piece of debris towards the hapless Star Destroyer prototype.

And yes, I really enjoyed this one. :)

So if you're still a naysayer, I say, Go Pet An Ewok. (No offense.)

[–] fataloblivion 17 years ago

Christ, people. Read something and think just a little:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity

[–] jdjones_2 17 years ago

Seriously, who gives a crap about a comparatively minor detail like that? It doesn't affect the surprisingly good quality of the movie. It got Lucas' green light, nothing else matters. And besides, no Star Wars movie is ever going to win a Nobel Prize for Physics anyways.

[–] innsaane-1 17 years ago

Did you eat paint chips as a kid?

Don't be so suburban...