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I don't think I get Mormon comedies


In fact, these things seem to leave me confused and generally depressed about life. Anyone else?

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That's like saying that you don't like movies made by New Yorkers. There are several different "Mormon Comedies" and some are good and some are not. I love some and find others stupid. I loved Singles Ward, but couldn't stand God's Army or The Hometeachers. The RM was up and down, but overall I didn't like it.

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I don't like movies made by New Yorkers. That Woody guy is creepy.

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I don't seem to understand any film that has a lot of inside jokes. The mormon culture in utah uses its own terminology for things (which is fine) but then colloqually uses acronyms to describe these. In the previous films by halestorm, a lot of these terms were not explained and so the audience was left in the dark if they were not raised in this culture. For example I had to research the meanings of FHE (Family home evening), RM (Returned Missionary), MTC (Missionary Training Center) and many others because they are not a part of the average citizens vocabulary. But this new film has been made a bit more ambiguous so that audiences with even a general knowledge of any church can understand it. I think it will be their best film yet.

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uh if your not mormon then maybe thats y!

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most people who arent mormon dont understand mormon movies. even movies like napoleon dynamite that arent based on mormons but are made by mormons because u can get the jokes in it but its funnier if your mormon cuz of the way they say things and other stuff

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Yeah, I definetly think some things in Napoleon Dynamite are funnier if you are from Utah or Idaho. I liked most of these LDS movies a lot at first but now I really don't. But I really do like The best two years, singles ward and brigham city is good for a laugh when your with your gal pals late at night.
PiNk LaDiDa!

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Church Ball is likely to be great regardless of Mormon inside jokes simply because Fred Willard is playing the bishop.

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I read these posts and I largely agree--As a Mormon myself I think it gets weirdly exclusive when movies like the RM and others have so many inside jokes. it makes me wonder what people who aren't familiar with the culture think of us. When I first heard that Church Ball was being produced, my first thought was "who outside of the utah mormon culture is going to know what 'church ball' refers to?" My first thought with any of these movies is that people are going to think "Huh?" or "What's this movie supposed to be about?"
"is God's Army about some kind of Americanized Jihad business?"
"is the Singles Ward about unmarried people dating in a hospital?"
"can i watch a movie and actually get it without being completely 'in' on a culture with which i am unfamiliar?"

I think it's great that LDS-themed movies are being made (i'm sure you'll find this kind of themed art in any culture), but I hope people understand that: A--these movies are in no way officially affiliated with the church at all, and B--they don't necessarily properly represent what mormons are all about. some of them don't fully represent me or my religion/culture.

i haven't seen this movie yet, and i'm assuming they'll explain the premise during the first ~30 mins of the film. anyway, for anyone who's curious, 'church ball' refers to LDS church basketball game events. Many larger chapels have a court built into the building; it encourages recreation or whatever (in south america and other areas it's a soccer area out back). So different wards get teams together to play, probably in a tournament, and how even though Mormons are supposed to be peaceful Christians, when some people get on the court they can get really unnecessarily comptetitive, start fights, etc. I think church ball games were more popular a decade or two ago, but i think maybe they've been phased out due to the potential for those kinds of bad rivalries.

So, this irony/humor/whatever of how a few of the nice God-fearing folks get carried away on the court and pandamonium ensues is probably the subject for this movie, and i'm sure it's generally accepted as a funny idea overall with people who are 'in' on the church-ball-antics stereotype. we're total Christians and everything, but sometimes it's fun to laugh at some of the quirks sometimes too...which takes us back to the discussion of being properly represented, and where's the line?

And I'm always excited to see Fred Willard. "WHA' HAPPENED?!"
And Saints and Soldiers was cool.

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Will Rogers once said, not everybody can be a star. There have to be some people to cheer on the side of the road when the parade goes by. You people are throwing eggs at the people on the parade floats you are just envious of. If you could trade places with Kurt Hale and have a successful career in the movie business you would in two seconds. Jealousy, evny, and bitterness, that's all ChetB's post is filled with.

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Why don't you take a look and find out who really was involved with this movie. Kurt Hale did not direct this movie. He did not write it either. Halestorm is a distributor for the movie. Check your facts before you post a comment.


Directed by
Gary Rogers


Writers
Craig Clyde Screenplay
Gary Rogers Written by
Solomon Spaulding Novel


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scott-822:

"this movie" being The Book of Mormon Movie - not Church Ball...Kurt Hale directed Church Ball...

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It seems to me that this board is becoming like a church ball game. People who are probably normally quite nice getting a little cranky and rude with eachother. Then you make silly mistakes because you're upset and you look like you don't know what you are talking about...both Chet and Scott. First of all, Scott, you got so upset that Chet was not "Fact-checking", but if you look at THIS webiste (IMDB) you will see that Kurt Hale both wrote and directed ChurchBall...See, now you look like you don't know what you're talking about simply because you got all huffy...why take things so personally? And Chet, I think this statement "People think that just because it's made by someone who's LDS or that it's sold at Deseret Book that it's 'kosher'." is quite humorous because "Kosher" refers to something being of Jewish descent. Therefore, the idea that anyone would think that just because something is made by and LDS person or company or because it is sold at Deseret Book, that it is "Kosher" is just plain silly. Just going along with Scott's thoughts on the need to fact check. I think you both ought to try it. You should also really try to not take things so personally. It's just a movie. It's not even out yet, so I'm pretty sure neither of you has even seen it. The purpose of it is to entertain and have fun with people with whom you share something in common. Instead, you have allowed it to create negative feelings and I doubt that is what Kurt Hale was going for. Maybe his next movie should be about how mean people can be to eachother on these silly things. At least it would allow him to move outside of the LDS genre...there are silly message-board-posters in just about every culture!

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I wonder what a non-member reading these posts, and who assumes these posts to be reflective of Mormons as a whole, would think about Mormons?

I love these movies. They are laugh-out-loud funny though they can be a bit broad at times. Personally I'd rather watch 'Singles Ward' (so far the best Halestorm film, I think) than just about any recent comedy out there, based on the trailers I see on TV or what I come across flipping through channels. It makes no difference to me that 'American Pie' or something like that is generally accessible by the mainstream audience - I'd rather watch 'RM.' Some of my all-time favorite films are obscure movies almost no one has heard of or that are so old today's audience wouldn't know what to do with them (who here has seen the Marx Bros. 'Duck Soup?').

I just got 'Mobsters and Mormons' in the mail today and I can't wait to see it. 'Baptists at our Barbecue' is on order and I'm sure I'll be ordering 'Church Ball' as soon as it's available. Those of you out West who can go to movie theaters and see these things are they're meant to be seen are very fortunate.

Thanks you, Halestorm!

Jesse

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I'm sorry if some people were incensed by some remarks I made.
I'm not trying to be rude or incendiary, just idealistic.
If you like Hale's films, then please continue to watch them.
But I wonder what impressions people get about Mormons when they see Hale's films and that's why I've said the things I have.

Entertainment for entertainment sake has its place and is fine and dandy.
But, as LDS we have a responsibility that rises far above telling "in-jokes."
(See First Presidency Message The Gospel Vision of the Arts Spencer W. Kimball, “The Gospel Vision of the Arts,” Ensign, July 1977, 3).
Elder Russel M. Ballard expounds on this responsibility saying, "God’s purpose for the artist is to inspire, to give us visions of ourselves that we might not otherwise see, to make us better than we would have been. The world is better for the arts and righteous artists in it. In the quest to achieve greatness in artistic pursuits—whether in painting, dance, music, drama, film, sculpture, or the written word—we should always seek first to achieve God’s purposes. “All great art is the expression of man’s delight in God’s work, not his own,” said John Ruskin, the great nineteenth-century English art critic."**

Members who enjoy Hale's films should go on enjoying them, but, should consider that the bar for LDS entertainment is set higher; LDS members can make movies that still reflect and uphold the values of the church without being silly, light-minded, and derivative of a niche culture. They can make movies that non-members (and members alike) will understand and even be inspired by...
In fact, it's their responsibility to do so.

"If we strive for perfection—the best and greatest—and are never satisfied with mediocrity, we can excel." *

*First Presidency Message The Gospel Vision of the Arts
Spencer W. Kimball, “The Gospel Vision of the Arts,” Ensign, July 1977, 3

**M. Russell Ballard, “Filling the World with Goodness and Truth,” Ensign, July 1996, 10

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You all might be interested to know that they are in the process of editing the movie (Church Ball) to eliminate most of the LDS references so that this title has more broad appeal. I, for one, am looking forward to seeing this flick.

And if you're looking for a completely corny LDS comedy, check out Sons of Provo. I laughed so hard at that one. It's total rip on LDS music and culture was spot on.

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Chet,

Church Ball was written from the start with a non-LDS audience in mind. They aren't "editing out" the mormon references, they were never there. Why do mormons care so much about what others think of them? Who cares...if you believe, you believe. If you don't....then that's the way it is.

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I find it pretty simple.


Mormon comedies are not funny.


And yes I do understand the "In" jokes.......unfortunately.

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Seriously...
It's like the "green Jello" joke that keeps circulating throughout Utah.

The more it's said, the less funny it is.

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Ward is never mentioned in the script I own. It is referred to as a congregation. The Los Angeles actors were encouraged to speak up and mention when something sounded like a term they weren't familiar with.

I think Psych Ward is used once or twice...but not in reference to the Church.

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Chet-Maybe you should just stop responding to people's responses about your comments(not because I don't think you should express your opinions, everyone is entitled. That doesn't mean we have to hear it over and over again). How many of the people that respond back to you actually just do it to get you upset? People are mean that way.
It's like when I was kid, my brother would hit me and I would get mad and hit back. This would go on for hours and years, and after a while my mom would just ignore it. I eventually learned that if I just ignored my brother he would stop because the thrill was gone.
I don't care much for the movies about the "Mormon culture," but if people want to watch it, let them. If people want to continue to write and direct them, let them. Everything in life is about making money or selling something, "anyone who says differently IS selling something."

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Chet --- You're a loser man. You wanna talk movies, then make one so we can rip you apart. You have no idea what goes into making movies and the sacrifices HaleStorm has made to entertain the community. From what I understand, Hale and Hunter quit amazing jobs with huge salaries to make these movies. The amount they now make not is not even close to their previous careers. They only want to entertain and see people happy and laugh with them at these movies. Get a life man. You want to talk directly you can call me at 801.372.9910

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Chet... seriously dude... the amount of time you spend on this board bashing HaleStorm is beyond obessive. It's not healthy. What in the heck do you care? Move on and get over it.

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yeah I don't get that green jello thing. I've only eaten it once in my whole life and I have lived in Utah as a mormon my whole life.

Jello is disgusting and the green kind is by far the nastiest....ughh. But then again I think I've only had red and green kind.

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There is more jello consumed per capita in Utah than any other state.

This is a dumb movie. Don't see it.

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uh.. what are Mormon movies?

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Movies for, by, and about Mormons (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) Here's a link for you:http://www.ldsfilm.com/lds_cinema.html

"Do pediatricians play miniature golf on Wednesdays?" -K.B.

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thanks! that's a great help..

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I am Mormon and I hated every single movie that I have seen made by a Mormon except Jered Hess's Napolean Dynamite and a yet seen Nacho Libre. However, I do want to see this movie bad because of Fred Willard, Andrew Wilson and little Arnold from Different Strokes.

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I am also Mormon and don't care for most Mormon culture movies. The acting usually sucks, and the jokes just aren't that funny. I just watched Church Ball
and they actually had some quasi famous people in the flick. I found myself laughing everytime the nonmember would swear and the scriptures before the game gave me a chuckle.

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Ya. Mormon comedies directed by kurt hale are generally horrible. I hope you don't judge us mormons on these cheesy aweful films.

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We just got done renting Church Ball. I am not Morman. I am a Baptist. We found this movie very funny. It doesn't matter if you "know" church ball...all the evangelical churches I know around my part of the country are trying to get gyms built. We have church leagues in baseball. The truth is the truth no matter what church you belong to. Things get nasty and competitive, old rivalries die hard and there is always someone ready to close of the church and turn off the lights before you are ready to quit. I just like being able to rent movies that I can sit down and watch with anyone and not have to worry if it is going to have nudity, bad language or a lot of gore. The message in this movie rang true. And my husband didn't know if was a "morman" movie. He thought bishops were a Catholic thing.

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is nacho libre a mormon movie? i thought the roles were for Catholics.

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That was well said and just what i was thinking. I'm LDS (Mormon), and it's just nice to have some entertainment where i don't have to worry about covering my son's ears because they let a swear word slip out. (just saw "Night at the Museum" and while it was VERY GOOD, they had to slip in a few swear words -- in a movie made for kids.) I'm not a "Utah Mormon," so the culture is slightly different out here in the mid-west, but there really aren't many movies that are truly family friendly. I personally don't care what the motives are for Hale making movies. All I know is that for a couple of hours a couple times a year, our family has some good, clean entertainment that at the minimum makes us smile. If that's not reason enough for making more of these, I don't know what is. No, they aren't all great, but they are all entertaining -- for some, if not all.

To the above posts: if you don't like "Mormon comedies," don't watch them. It's pretty simple.

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It's the unfortunate misconception that there aren't a lot of family-friendly movies out there and it is indeed a misconception.
Hollywood, for the most part, doesn't make them, it's true.
But there is GOOD family fare out there, it just requires a bit more research, a trip to the library instead of the mega-plex, and a bit more thought and discussion afterward.

I don't like Mormon Comedies, and I make an effort to try and not watch them, but being a Mormon, I'm still haunted and affected by them.
Let's not settle for mediocre art simply because it happens to be Mormon-made...

Making good movies for Mormons = good. Making movies to make money off of Mormons = bad.

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By this logic, films from Mel Brooks or Adam Sandler are "Jewish Movies". It's ludicrous, even though references to Jewish culture are found throughout their works. Repeated use of to terms like Kosher, Matza Balls or yarmulke have rendered those terms familiar and part of the general culture. The reason that terms unique to LDS culture aren't recognized outside of the Mormon population is lack of exposure, plain and simple.

There's a learning curve for the world, and one for LDS filmmakers too. This is a relatively new genre, and it's clear that they're still trying to figure out what works. They've tried the whole over-the-top comedy approach in films like The Home Teachers, and the results are in. We hate it. It's a tricky thing to pull off, LDS humor. You can't use the easy fallback comedic strategies of sex, foul language, degenerate jokes etc., since it's going to offend a significant part of your audience. We're starting to see some elements that work. I found "Mobsters and Mormons" and "Suits on the Loose" to be comedies that are beginning to find the right groove. The trick I think is finding themes that are relatable across cultures. A great example of this is "My Big Fat Greek Wedding." It wasn't about people of my own background or faith, but I still found them interesting, compelling and loveable - and I was laughing with them, not at them.

Church Ball won't go down in history as a brilliant, classic comedy - not even close. But there were parts of it that did work, and through support and feedback, this genre may just find a life outside of Utah. I'm hoping so.

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