A language question


Why does Idi Amin mostly speak English, when he gives his first speech heard in the movie? The audience is mostly Ugandian.

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Because 1: Forrest Withaker is not Fluent in Swahili.


2: For the same reason they spoke English in Troy and Schindler's List.

The biggest audience are English speaking people and thus all relevant dialogue for most movies is usually in English. Did you see the Movie about Saddam Hussein on HBO? You had Arabs speaking in English. If you watch Rush Hour 3, you have a French couple in Paris, arguing in English; which of course would never happen :)

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Thank you for your answer.

But Nicholas seems to understand, what Idi says, so Mr. Amin seems to speak "really" English in this speech.

Or could Nicholas speek Swahili?

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I believe that as a former British colony, most Ugandans of the middle and upper class were (and are) fluent in English, if not bilingual. The same is true of Indians. I'm sure Amin used either language depending on his audience.




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Yeah, I was thinking the same. Perhaps he even wanted to do the present British people of influence a "favor"- or better said: wanted, that they also understand, what he has to say.

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I believe that as a former British colony, most Ugandans of the middle and upper class were (and are) fluent in English, if not bilingual. The same is true of Indians. I'm sure Amin used either language depending on his audience.



That's correct. But you must keep in mind that though many African countries have English, French, Portuguese etc as the official language, only the educated Africans could speak those European languages. In my country for instance, very few people could speak French though the Democratic Republic of Congo is the largest French speaking country in the world by land area and second by population after France.

So fluency in English and French depend on the literacy rate of an African country. But then, you have to consider the quality of that English or French because those countries are very poor and cannot always offer a decent education.

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Thank you for your answer.

But Nicholas seems to understand, what Idi says, so Mr. Amin seems to speak "really" English in this speech.

Or could Nicholas speek Swahili?


No, Nicholas couldn't speak Swahili at all as he came directly from Scotland. And yes Idi Amin could speak English fairly well though he only had a second grade education. He was a soldier under the British rule so many of his higher ranked officers were British who mostly spoke to him in English.

There are several good documentaries that portray Idi Amin, and you can hear him speak a thick accented English.

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I think this is one of those moments where you have to suspend disbelief. They had everyone speak English in the movie just to make it easier for English-speaking audiences.

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I think this is one of those moments where you have to suspend disbelief. They had everyone speak English in the movie just to make it easier for English-speaking audiences.


Exactly. Most moviegoers come from the English-speaking world and the biggest Markets are in North America or UK, so filmakers and producers need to cater to what their biggest audience is most comfortable with. It's perfectly fine with me to have a movie set in Africa, the middle East or even Western Europe, when people are speaking in English, as long as the dialogue has some substance or relevance.

The British Empire conquered half this planet and at the same time gave the world its lingua franca. ENglish is the language that dominates for business, for music, for movies etc. I am a native speaker of French and Lingala, but I understand the need to put some things in English because most people would understand.

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you have a French couple in Paris, arguing in English;
I was in an Irish bar in Cannes and two French guys had an argument in English, it was really bizarre.

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Thank you for that feedback. So I am not the only one.


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I didn't understand why the subtitles named the African language as simply "African language" rather than Swahili or whatever it was. Couldn't the subtitler be bothered to check what language it was?

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I donĀ“t understand that, neither.

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I didn't understand why the subtitles named the African language as simply "African language" rather than Swahili or whatever it was. Couldn't the subtitler be bothered to check what language it was?


My guess is it's the same reason why most Westerners simply say"Africa" and don't bother mentionning the exact geographical region or country they have in mind. Example "Africa isn't safe". Do they mean the entire continent or just one remote area in specific country torn by civil war? You see what I mean?

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My guess is it's the same reason why most Westerners simply say"Africa" and don't bother mentionning the exact geographical region or country they have in mind. Example "Africa isn't safe". Do they mean the entire continent or just one remote area in specific country torn by civil war? You see what I mean?
Woah ... are you saying Africa has different countries? Kidding!

I was disappointed in the subtitles too. I played them mainly because I have trouble with Scottish accents, but I assumed they'd shed some light on all the languages here. Of course, casting a white lead popular with teenage girls to tell the story of Idi Amin is pretty telling. (No matter what people say, I think James McAvoy is the lead actor in this film because he has the most screen time.)

Of course, "The Reader" was set in postwar Germany and the cast spoke English vith zat FOH-nee AX-ent, so obviously authenticity isn't a priority for Hollywood.

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African countries were formed along colonial lines without any regard for local African tribal boundaries. As a result, it's perfectly normal for a single country there to have many different languages spoken within its borders. Not everyone in Uganda speaks Swahili as their native language, and English is indeed an official language of the country.

On a side note, I think it's lame for movies to have foreign characters speaking English to make things easier for English-speaking audiences. I have no problem with reading subtitles.

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in uganda, there are different tribes all of which speak different languages. Amin dada was a northerner and therefore spoke Acholi (MAIN language spoken in northern uganda) as his traditional language.

at the time the majority of ugandans spoke luganda or broken english (the sort that a person who is bilingual or who is uneducated may speak.)

the fact that amin could only speak fluent acholi, little luganda and an okay standard of english meant that this was the only language that he could address the people.

also uganda was colonised by britain therefore english was taught in many schools and remains a second language for the majority of the ugandan population.

it therefore seems to make sense that Amin address the masses in English.

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