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Pretentious nonsense.


The idea of a more "down to Earth" portrayal of the real life events behind that infamous exorcism greatly appealed to me. But what a waste. Requiem was the longest 88 minutes of my life, mainly because...

NOTHING HAPPENS!!!

The story, the events, the characters, the atmosphere... everything was understated to the point where it had absolutely no impact whatsoever.

I love deliberately paced films. But this is just slow, stereotypical indie nonsense, sacrificing story for its own pretentiousness.

Yet it's being hailed as a masterpiece. Why? Because it's subversive for the sake of being subversive, even though the film itself barely accomplishes or says anything relevant beyond the same tired "spiritual conflict" prattle.

Big whoop.

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Perhaps you should stick with the excorcism of emily rose, a nice sensationalized version of the story.
I'm guessing you haven't seen many German movies?

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I knew I'd be greeted with a bunch of patronizing. I love international cinema, but I'm not fooled by this poor attempt at some introspective art flick.

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perhaps you should go and watch the next nicholas cage film...if this is not your cup of tea my friend

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Yadda, yadda, yadda.

I could show you some great art house films that would make you scratch your head.
But, this?

"Whoa...she's staring vacantly into the distance for 2 hours! That's, like, deep stuff, man."

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I agree with you. It's amusing reading people try to defend this movie. It simply shouldn't be portrayed as an exorcism movie and should instead be called what it is: a movie about a mentally ill girl surrounded by religious zealots who caused her death. The fact that they don't even bother showing what happened to her just proves that point. But I agree, it was pretty boring and dull. I don't like watching movies where the characters are so stupid to the point that I want to slap them.

This movie should've at least shown everything up until her death. It was long and boring enough as it was, but the ending was so random and tacked on. It may as well have said "She had more exorcisms and blah blah blah, she died. The end."

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Where exactly was it portrayed as an exorcism movie? Yes, it's based upon a real occurrence which contained multiple exorcisms, but if you went into it expecting just that, that's your problem, not the movie's. The exorcisms and her subsequent death are how the story ends. This was the story of the girl and the lead up to those events. It's clearly listed as a drama, not a horror. The plot summary on the main page here even says:

An epileptic girl suffers a breakdown during her first year at university, then decides to seek help from a priest in battling the troubles associated with her strict upbringing.

If you want to see the story with full blown CG and supernatural spookiness, that's what 'The Exorcism of Emily Rose' is for. This take on the story was about a young girl with psychological problems compounded by an overbearingly religious mother.

Yes, you could argue that the ending was sudden and essentially you had all the foreplay with no money shot, but I think it suited the style of the film. When watching it I was actually thinking that the perfect moment to end it would be with them arriving back at the house, entering the front door, and being greeted by the priests, but they ended just before that. That was fine though - exorcism scenes have been done to death, and we've seen so many of them nowadays that we know what to expect. Also, if they had shown an exorcism scene, I have a feeling you wouldn't have liked it anyway. Given the aspects the film focused on it would just have been priests speaking, and the girl screaming. There wouldn't have been any levitating, temperature dropping, or demonic winds. Just the banality of a "real" exorcism.

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The TV info probably said something about exorcism. I don't remember anymore. I certainly didn't assume that on my own.

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I thought her decent in to madness was very well portrayed, I'd have liked to have seen a bit more background on the young priest and why he took it on himself to go with the whole possesion theory and why the older priest didnt stand his ground more. But I thought the ending was rubbish, it was like they had run out of time and copped out with a couple of written words to summarise what happened next.

If they had kept the story going you could have had interesting things like the families reaction to her impending death and why they kept going with the exorcisms, why didn't her boyfriend and Hanna (both normal intelligent characters) step in to stop and it and/or call the police? How on earth would it all be explained to the police when she did eventaully die - ie cause of death? What happened to the priests afterwards.

So basically a good film about going mad but ends FAR too abruptly

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On the contrary, it ended just where it should, in my opinion. Everything after that wasn´t really interesting.

It is obvious from many of the comments here on the board, that very few of the people commenting have experience with mental illness.

I´m not going to decide for anyone what "really happened", -I know nothing of the actual case-, but as portrayed in the movie, it is obvious that the girl is mentally ill, and that this was the intent of the filmmakers. Absolutely 100% certain. I was SHOCKED by the extremely realistic portrayal of psychosis and moodswings etc., that I have experienced first hand, in a mentally ill friend. This was an horrifyingly accurate portrayal of manic depressive psychosis. The actress deserves huge recognition for this OUTSTANDING performance, and attention to detail in every aspect of the performance.

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Great so make it required viewing for all psychology majors. Otherwise its a terrible movie and a waste of time, and film.

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I agree with you satan44: 'The actress deserves huge recognition for this OUTSTANDING performance, and attention to detail in every aspect of the performance.'

I like my foreign and independent films. If you are from the MTV generation don't watch it 'cos it's not for you. This film is brilliantly directed, told the story well, the performances are damn believable and it couldn't have ended better. I was glued to my seat and I wanted to know more. This low-key film is in my top list. All credit to it.

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'Emily Rose' is actually better as it is more ambiguous than this one. This one takes to one side which puts it all down to he mental illness and her faith. Plus, it's too muted to be really punchy. 'Emily Rose' though was both grabbing and thought-provoking because it proposed that there are things that materialism cannot account for. In the end, we know nothing about life and what lurks out there. This is more fascinating than the patronizing angle of 'Requiem.'

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more fascinating than the patronizing angle of 'Requiem.'


How is it patronising?

This one takes to one side which puts it all down to he mental illness and her faith. Plus, it's too muted to be really punchy.


Yes, but you have to appreciate the stance the filmmakers were taking here. I'm not going to get into an argument about it, but for me personally, there is no such thing as demonic possession, ghosts or any such phenomena. For many people there is no God. If you don't believe in God and have dismissed religion in all its forms then there is no other conclusion to draw. Anneliese Michel (the real life one) was simply ill, and through circumstance, upbringing and her own beliefs, was unable to get the treatment that she needed.

You can't call the film a failure for presented a single point of view, free of ambiguity, as that was entirely what the filmmakers were trying to achieve.

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I discovered Requiem after I watched The Exorcism of Emily Rose. i watched them within a couple weeks of each other. I understand the drive to find poetic feelings rather than rational ones when watching a film, and I have to disagree with you that Emily Rose captured "Ambiguity" (I would call this complexity) better than Requiem. In many ways, Emily Rose seems trite compared to this film.

The most striking moment for me in Requiem was the final shot, because I had the realization that Michaela chose to die, and in many ways, by succumbing to a faith that in many ways was forced upon her in her final weeks and exacerbated her problem, she was freeing herself from a life of long-term struggle with mental illness.

In addition, while throwing away her pills may be portrayed as leading her into a declined state, if you read between the lines and perceive where she's at, and how it seems for many people with any so-called disability or illness that is told they require a pill or physical aid to rectify their problem, it is putting them into an altered state that is not trully themselves. There can be a purity or feeling of wholeness in dwelling in your natural state. If Michaela decided to surrender to her true self by letting go of her pills, that is a choice she made. Hana was the most rational of the group, but she also was perceptive and accepted Michaela's desire. So did her boyfriend.

The complex question here is ethical, and it is portrayed in this movie more explicitly than in Emily Rose. It is about who makes decisions for someone who is severely "mentally ill", that effect the core of their well-being, and is the "mentally ill" person capable of making decisions for themselves? If that person makes decisions that endanger their life, and someone believes they can help them, should that someone feel entitled or obligated to step in? Most of us will have to make related decisions like this about people we care about in times of crisis, even if not at this level of intensity or fatality, and it will always be based on our personal values and belief systems.

I feel like this was an honest portrayal, and having grown up in a Catholic household, some of it was a little too familiar. There is a conflict in the modern Catholic Church between intellectualism and superstition, and rational vs. irrational drives. Interestingly, some of the most intellectual Catholics I've ever met were also the most superstitious... The mother and the younger priest seemed slanted negatively, but they seemed more real to me than any other character besides Michaela.

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exmk000 why don't you suck some eggs and get lost? If you learn how to read properly you wouldn't jump and attack other people. All I said was that if you are from the MTV generation (i.e. you like MTV films, not only mainstream but quick flashy jazzy movies that is all about how cool it looks and not about the real message of the movie) then you won't like this film 'cos it's not for you. So stop resorting to the name calling and get your eyes checked, you prick.

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Well probably as i heard about Emily Rose movie, i wanted to see it, but well i didn't have a chance. I got chance to see Requiem and what can i say, at first i thought it's a bit boring but well after first 15 minutes it just got better and better. What can i say? After the end i wanted to know more. What was going on with her? Well i guess i will have to find a book somewhere and read it. Movie is great.

Iztok

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A good film tells a story, shows a perspective on something. This movie focused on everything... but the story. Long drawn out scenes of nothing doesn't make for a good film. It makes for a long film.

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Satan, thanks for the comment. This makes the film worth watching.

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satan,I've had direct contact with mental illness through two family members and while the aacting may be spot on,it doesn't make a great film. Overall the film felt to lead to very little, I was hoping for more but as the camera closed in I was upset. I wanted to see the struggle she was going through. The film focused heavily on her family and society trapping her and controlling her, surely her death would have only added to it. I felt like I'd watched the film to see a woman not take her pills and slowly deteriorate. I'm only 18 yes, but I watch many arthouse films, I have also studied film for A-level. This does not make my opinion better in any way, but to be honest coming into this film I expected alot more. (that doesn't mean supernatural scenes or 'high drama' with her screaming)

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I wanted to see the struggle she was going through. The film focused heavily on her family and society trapping her and controlling her, surely her death would have only added to it. I felt like I'd watched the film to see a woman not take her pills and slowly deteriorate.


Have you seen any of the photographs of the real Anneliese Michel during the final stages of her life? They are heartbreaking and horrific. Showing those final stages in the film could only be construed as exploitation, which is not what the film is about. We know what happens when she goes back to the house. The eventual tragedy is already there in her face as she looks out at the world from the car window. The film ends on a moment of thought and meditation, as opposed to a screaming Exorcist-like scene of fabricated horror.

We see the struggle she is going through from the first scene to the last. We know the pain and suffering she has been put under due to her condition. We don't need to see her destroyed in lurid, unnecessarily graphic detail. She was ill and she died. End film.

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I agree, it ended where it should.

But if anyone wants to know what really happened afterwards in reality just google. It's a pretty good thing for finding information.

For example this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel.

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Well said, satan44 - you hit the nail on the head! 'Never ceases to amaze me what a lack of life experience will do to bludgeon someone's world view.

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