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Story is totally pro-atheism


It shows religions (and believing in Gods) are only wishful thinking to hide from the brutality of the material world.
"ADULT PI :So which story do you prefer?
WRITER: The story with the tiger. That's
the better story.
ADULT PI: Thank you. And so it goes with God."
With the storm representing Christianity and the island representing Islam (Iam quite sure there is a metaphor of Hinduism as well but iam not familiar with that ), the movie (or novel) views religions negatively with a critical eye and totally dismisses them.
Iam a muslim myself, so though i don't like the message of the novel, it is still an excellent thought provoking one.

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It's pro-atheism only in the sense that both stories could easily happen if God didn't exist.

It's fairly neutral fortunately.

*Being wrong is merely a disagreement between people who think they are right. *

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Atheists are usually wrong and if the OP is an atheist, well, they're wrong. At least, they're wrong in what the story is all about.

One of the main points of the novel is that life is a story, you choose the story, and the one with God is the better story.

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One of the main points of the novel is that life is a story, you choose the story, and the one with God is the better story.

Not always.

If you were not on Noah's Ark or you were an ancient Egyptian, a Canaanite, lived in Jericho or Sodom or Gomorrah or were a Philistines, then your story in the Bible isn't such a good one. You faced drowning, genocide, deadly plagues, breach of your carefully constructed defensive walls and other horrible fates perpetrated upon you by a God who clearly plays favorites.

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I liked this movie for it's CGI and action & even some of it's feeling, but not for it's moral or philosophy. It's a terrible thing to blindly accept a way of life because it is makes it easier for you to get thru the day. The pursuit of truth is one of the points of life; not the story a theist makes up to get him or her out of bed each day.
BTW, I don't think Galileo was too crazy about the church and society keeping him locked up for suggesting the earth revolves around the sun, all in the name of a "prettier fantasy". But I suppose that's the point of religion and this movie (take the easy way out - the "happier" story).

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I liked this movie for it's CGI and action & even some of it's feeling, but not for it's moral or philosophy. It's a terrible thing to blindly accept a way of life because it is makes it easier for you to get thru the day.

Why is that so terrible? You read a book, you kneel and pray and you feel better. No harm done.

Of course you have missed the point of this movie. Before his ocean ordeal Pi experimented casually with various religions.

But finding one's self alone on a boat with nothing wholesome to eat for month after month after month, it wasn't a matter of making each day "easier". It was about making each day possible. Remember he survived by eating dead human bodies, including that of his own mother. There is no good to be had from admitting that truth day after day after day for months. He had to escape into a sort of alternate reality to survive.

The pursuit of truth is one of the points of life

But any self-honest truth seeker must eventually come to the conclusion that there is no universal "truth". Our consciousness is a product of our minds and our own perceptions and that's all there is. It is impossible for a human being to have more than that (unless you believe in God).

The pursuit of truth is one of the points of life; not the story a theist makes up to get him or her out of bed each day.

If this story was about getting out of bed to a normal life each day, it wouldn't have been put in a supremely harsh, cannibalistic setting. This was not about facing normal daily life.

This story was about finding a way to survive and recover from extreme personal trauma. Most people in Pi's position would have suffered lifelong PTSD and never been able to lead a normal life. Think soldiers in combat, torture victims, rape victims etc.

By putting all the horrors of his ocean existence into a "tiger", Pi was able to let the tiger go when he didn't need it any more. Pi ending up with a happy, well-adjusted family is one of the main points made by this story, though it is done subtly. If he had forced himself, daily, to face the truth of eating his dead mother's body, that happy family would not have been possible.

BTW, I don't think Galileo was too crazy about the church and society keeping him locked up for suggesting the earth revolves around the sun, all in the name of a "prettier fantasy".

The Church had no reason to think Galileo's astronomical conclusions were more "truthful" than the Bible at the time. Now, I think the Catholic does accept science but not so much back in the early days of it.

Perhaps Galileo was so traumatized by his incarceraton that he developed certain personal beliefs to help him survive his ordeal. Why would you wish years of misery on Galileo when there was an alternative for him?

Now, if your religious phantasmagoria causes you to harm me, my family or other people then yes, I have a problem with it. But if religion leads you to read a book, pray, sing and spend time in a pointy building, hey no problem at all.

Once you become old and wise enough to realize there is no universal "truth", you will stop mourning the lack of others finding "truth". You might even realize that what you thought was "truth" in your younger years was really just an individualized story about the universe which works for you. This story will be based on books you've read, conversations you've had and personal experiences, just like the stories religious people tell themselves. Your story works for you but is it no more "truth" than God or the Koran or Buddha.

And if you are lucky, you will find a few others in life who can share your personal story and your personal truth through the years. And if you think about it, that's what church is all about, after all.

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This may sound "angry" but I appreciate good debate...

Why is that so terrible? You read a book, you kneel and pray and you feel better. No harm done.


Let the people of Orlando, Florida know that.

But finding one's self alone on a boat with nothing wholesome to eat for month after month after month, it wasn't a matter of making each day "easier". It was about making each day possible.


He made each day possible by using his reasoning tools and his instinct for survival. Not by praying god would catch the fish for him or turning salt water into drinking water.

But any self-honest truth seeker must eventually come to the conclusion that there is no universal "truth". Our consciousness is a product of our minds and our own perceptions and that's all there is. It is impossible for a human being to have more than that (unless you believe in God).


That's where we totally disagree and the reason for some much antagonism between believers and non-believers. I don't get to decide the Sun will not set tonight and will not rise tomorrow. I don't get to declare 1+1=3. I don't get to call a cat a dog. I can choose to ignore these facts, but that does not make my position right, it just makes me thoughtless (at best) or purposefully ignorant (at worst).

If he had forced himself, daily, to face the truth of eating his dead mother's body, that happy family would not have been possible.


Denial does not create gods. Any mother or father, in a second, would do WHATEVER they could to keep their child alive in a situation like that. He, as a father, should know that.

The Church had no reason to think Galileo's astronomical conclusions were more "truthful" than the Bible at the time. Now, I think the Catholic does accept science but not so much back in the early days of it.


Thank you, church, for holding up progress and enlightenment for hundreds of years. All at the expense of one little man who dared to think. Sounds like he was a martyr for his beliefs. Remind us of anyone that they worship every Sunday? Maybe Jesus is a metaphor for humanity. Ironic. Luckily, the church is so enlightened now that all of their backward beliefs have disappeared (like contraception.

Perhaps Galileo was so traumatized by his incarceraton that he developed certain personal beliefs to help him survive his ordeal. Why would you wish years of misery on Galileo when there was an alternative for him?


Not even sure what that means. But I'm worried.

Your story works for you but is it no more "truth" than God or the Koran or Buddha.


You forgot to add it is no more truth than what is presented by Zeus, the Sun god and beelzebub.

It's much more daring, heroic, principled and passionate to take the facts in front of you, accept them, and understand the world in front of you from that, then it is to take what you hope/ wish for and make up your reality from that.

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Let the people of Orlando, Florida know that.

You are pretending that prayer was the cause of the Orlando shooting, but you know it was not.

There are millions of people in the Orlando area who pray to God and will never have even a glimmer of thought about shooting people. I don't know much about the situation but from what I've heard the shooter was more devoted to ISIS and violence than to "God".

What you are doing is expressing your own prejudice against religion and not taking a true, realistic look at it. Not only are you ignoring the millions (billions really) of people on earth who are religious and not violent. You are also ignoring the many violent people who have no connection to God.

You are making a false connection of religion and violence to express your own bias. Personally, it seems clear to me that a person will end up being violent regardless of how religious they are. It is something within them that is separate from religion.

He made each day possible by using his reasoning tools and his instinct for survival. Not by praying god would catch the fish for him or turning salt water into drinking water.

You are ignoring the story which was told by Martel and Ang Lee in the movie and making up your own story.

It seems you continue to ignore that Pi (the vegetarian) survived more from eating human bodies, including his own mother's body, than catching fish. That was the true horror that Pi could not openly face and needed the Tiger, Richard Parker, for. (have you looked up the origin of the name "Richard Parker"? http://mentalfloss.com/article/30093/edgar-allan-poes-eerie-richard-parker-coincidence

That's where we totally disagree and the reason for some much antagonism between believers and non-believers. I don't get to decide the Sun will not set tonight and will not rise tomorrow.

You have thought about life. But not to its full conclusion. You are not recognizing that the sun does not "set". It just appears to "set" because you live on a spinning globe called earth. The sun doesn't go anywhere. The sun "setting" is just an optical illusion.

This is true of EVERYTHING YOU KNOW. Do you accept what I said about the sunset being an optical illusion? Why do you accept that? You accept that because of stuff you read in books and stuff you learned in school involving some painted metal balls. It could all be B.S. You have know way to know the true nature of the sun. You just have to rely on what you see and what you've been taught. All of which is questionable.

If you refuse to question what you can see and think, then you are doing the same thing that religious people do. You are relying on faith in something rather than doubting everything, which is the only rational approach to life. there is no difference between believing in God or believing in Math and Science. They are all products of our fallible human brains.

Denial does not create gods. Any mother or father, in a second, would do WHATEVER they could to keep their child alive in a situation like that.

Exactly. So after a parent has done every earthly thing to keep their child safe, why should they stop there? Why not pray to God for the safety of their child also? It doesn't hurt. It doesn't cost anything. And it might help. Your refusal to pray could be seen as being stingy. A lack of full effort.

Of course you have your own reasons for not praying. I do not pray or believe in God myself. The difference between us is that I recognize the things I base my life on- my perceptions, my education- these are no more "universal truth" than God is. Math and science make sense to me. But they don't make sense to most of the world. Why should I try to force the whole world to believe what I believe? Let them build their own worldview. One which works for them. I build one which works for me. You should build one which works for you.

Your story works for you but is it no more "truth" than God or the Koran or Buddha.
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You forgot to add it is no more truth than what is presented by Zeus, the Sun god and beelzebub.

I didn't forget anything. There are far more gods and monsters and holy men in the history of the world than that.

Zeus worked for people in the time of Ancient Greece. Amon Ra and Satan also have their place and time. Jesus, Mohammed the same. Come back in 10,000 years and those gods will have been replaced. A God lasts as long as they work for people. Then they are dropped. But you can't force a god to be dropped while they are still working for people.

What you are not grasping is that math and science will, at some point, become obsolete also. In 100,000 years what we know as math and science will seem as silly as Zeus and Thor seem to us. You are just a moment in time. Stop pretending you and your worldview are immortal and god-like. Do your best to form a good worldview now and run with it. Make the best life for yourself that you can. Stop trying to control the world. You can't do it. Instead focus controlling your own life. That's something you CAN do.

Being bitter about what others believe is not the way to a happy life, I'm afraid. Impossible tasks never bring happiness. Stop and think about your life. What do you REALLY hope to accomplish in the few years which have been given to you?







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Any true Atheist would laugh at the stuff that happens in this movie. This is not a movie for Atheists.

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Why would an atheist laugh? The film has its own value, and the story is gripping. No need for religion.

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I'm an atheist, but I didn't laugh at this story. It touched me deeply, indeed and the ending almost moved me to tears. I completely agree with the pro-atheist interpretation. The bottom line is that God is just a fictional character people made up in order to make reality more bearable.

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It touched me deeply, indeed and the ending almost moved me to tears. I completely agree with the pro-atheist interpretation

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so you are saying that "atheism" moved you to tears

or are you saying the belief of friendship/partnership with an animal is NOT a type of religion?

what IS your defn of atheism?

http://www.kindleflippages.com/ablog/

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Atheism means not believing in God. And it's not a choice. If I could choose I'd rather believe in some god, because life would look more meaningful and death would just look like a transition to another life. It's not easy facing life as an atheist, yet I can't believe in God just because I'd like to.
It's the sadness of the human condition that moved me. The fact that many people have to invent a God just to be able to go through their lives.

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Atheism means not believing in God

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were you [Carefully] taught that in an american school?

http://www.kindleflippages.com/ablog/

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Are you a troll? Because in short, Atheism is the rejection of dieties or Gods. He's correct. Were you not educated at all?

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for a longer time than Jesus has existed the Egyptians had the dung beetle as the highest deity of Ra and you are saying Pi is not allowed to believe in his tiger because he don't have a halo thing?

http://www.kindleflippages.com/ablog/

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Hi Sara2670 -

your sympathy is not required.
what you believe, by choice or not, is still on you.
calling what people choose to believe a "sadness" is insulting and divisive.

please do not put down people who choose life styles which do not fit your view of your reality.

that simply isn't nice.

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That's ridiculous. I didn't mean to insult anyone. That's the blatant meaning of Pi's story and I simply agree with it. If you don't like it, watch something else and relax.

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good morning, sara.
in all sincerity, you're right.
I probably need to relax and not be defensive.

I guess we saw the movie differently.
I didn't take from the movie that humanity is in such a sad state that they need to invent a God as you suggested.

I'm not even sure what the meaning of the story really is.

Personally, I like to take the story at face value and that everything Pi told the two people from Japan was the truth. When they didn't like that story, one could argue that he felt "sad" for them that they were incapabable of seeing and hearing God and thus, "dumbed" it down for them so it's something they could relate to.

Couldn't one argue that only the less-open minded people would be unwilling to accept things they don't understand and that sound ridiculou?

In any event, I again apologize for my snarkiness in my previous post.
It just bothers me when I feel that one's belief's are cast as outrageous and or that they should be pitied simply because one doesn't agree or understand.

For me, it's entirely okay for people to exist in a wrold where they don't have to have control of every aspect of everyone else's life. As long as one is content with themselves, why purposely put out negativeness towards the perspectives of others?

Hope you are staying warm, Sara.

Take care,

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Personally, I like to take the story at face value and that everything Pi told the two people from Japan was the truth. When they didn't like that story, one could argue that he felt "sad" for them that they were incapabable of seeing and hearing God and thus, "dumbed" it down for them so it's something they could relate to.

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but point was they TOO reverted to the tiger story in their report.

not sure where chicken and egg start/end but this is almost identical to the bit in Cloud Atlas where Sonmi 451 says "someone already DOES", and Park does TWO versions of the story.

I would say Pi came first [the book] and CA is nodding to this concept in elevating Sonmi to deity status for a section of the humanity to follow in next 200 years.

http://www.kindleflippages.com/ablog/

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Seems the atheist view is no different than what you accuse Christians of-

you say they can't handle the truth so make God up. One could say atheists can't handle the existence of God and what it all entails...so choose the "easy" answer.

It's so much easier to not believe in a grand Creator. However, you would have to ignore the natural laws of logic to believe nothing created something, which caused more somethings to occur and it all came from nothing. Simplistic, ignorant ideology, but I do understand why many choose to believe that way. Fear of enlightenment is very powerful.

I can go on and on...But I'm kinda drunk and typing is kinda complicating right now,

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You obviously don't know what an atheist is and, most of all, how the laws of logic work. Not believing in God doesn't mean you believe "nothing created something". Scientists are constantly researching, trying to explain the very beginning of the universe. Maybe we'll find out someday, more probably we'll never do. But making up a God and, what's more, a God that created man in his own image (LOL) is the simpliest, silliest way to solve the question. If it weren't for an atheist called Galileo Galilei, you would still believe that our planet is flat and that the Sun revolves around the Earth! ROFL So, who's simplistic and ignorant here?

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If it weren't for an atheist called Galileo Galilei, you would still believe that our planet is flat and that the Sun revolves around the Earth!


HUH? If you've ever done research on Christianity and what the Bible says, you'd know the Bible says the Earth is "a sphere", which was common knowledge to all Christians way before any atheist figured it out. You believe that nothing came from nothing, and that we all came from monkeys (LOL). We also share 99% of DNA with bananas, did we evolve from them? Maybe we all have common DNA because we came from the same Creator?

So, who's simplistic and ignorant here?


It's obvious it's YOU. I won't waste my time going back and forth because it's clear you're ignorant and uneducated on the subject (like all atheists I've talked to).


I can go on and on...But I'm kinda drunk and typing is kinda complicating right now,

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I dont think it's fair to call other people uneducated, when in your own post you quote invented 'facts' about human/banana DNA. You're out by about 48% with that figure there.

"One could say atheists can't handle the existence of God and what it all entails...so choose the "easy" answer."

Out of interest, what is it that the existence of a God 'entails' that you think atheists can't handle?

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ROFL That's so religulous!

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wow, you are very misinformed and dumb, go read some more books besides your "holy" one..

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If it weren't for an atheist called Galileo Galilei, you would still believe that our planet is flat and that the Sun revolves around the Earth! ROFL So, who's simplistic and ignorant here?


Yeah, no one else would have ever figured it out lol!!!! Praise Galileo!!! What would Google Earth have done without you!!! This shiznitz is just too funny!!

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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There is no need to be offensive. You have the right to believe or not believe, but you do not have the right to laugh at someone's beliefs, call it silly and call people ignorant for something that we really do believe and is a great part of some of our lives. Live and let live?

I fail to see why you need to taunt and mock someone's beliefs if you feel they are false.

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Galileo was a devout Catholic at the time of his death, so I have no idea what makes you think he was an atheist...

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Religion conveys too many of life's philosophies, in stories and such, for laymen to comprehend. It releases some, from the fear of death and makes them free; reaches far beyond words on a page, heaven and hell. It's a thing of beauty, so simple - yet, some (still) fail to understand (from lack of courage :)). Others, they feel like they must overcome and be great(er) like God - they also do not see that being supreme is to have God within you, to posses wisdom (and never even speak of it, hehe). It's good vs. bad, if you can accept the philosophies, then you're on the right path.

P.S.
Finally saw the movie and daamn, it bored me to death, lol.

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Wow. I couldn't have said it better myself. I am an atheist that has been searching for god my whole life.

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The bottom line is you're wrong.

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I'm an atheist, but I didn't laugh at this story. It touched me deeply, indeed and the ending almost moved me to tears. I completely agree with the pro-atheist interpretation. The bottom line is that God is just a fictional character people made up in order to make reality more bearable.


I really didn't think this movie had a pro-atheist bent. Just the opposite, in fact. From childhood, Pi is open to finding God, in whatever form, and is grateful for his opportunities to learn and to worship in different ways.

He speaks about faith being tested; he prays, he asks forgiveness for sins; he thanks God for his life in the face of death.

I think the Pi who is telling the story is a contented man. Nothing else is really necessary.

I frankly don't see how atheism is logical. What I mean is, there is no empirical proof that God does not exist; and there never will be, since one cannot prove a negative.

Currently, there is also no empirical proof that God does exist; but there is a chance that at some point there might be. Science has proven many things that were formerly considered impossible or not to be believed.

I understand how people could be agnostic. I understand why people believe. I just don't understand the logic of taking a firm stand against without that empirical proof.

Either God exists or does not. That's 50-50. Good odds in Vegas, yes? I see no harm in believing, for the individual. Accepting others is crucial in life. Even though I say I don't see how atheism is logical, I don't try to convince my atheist acquaintances to change their stand. But we have good debates and respect each other.

I think the beautiful thing about Pi is that he accepts God, not only in his own eyes, but the eyes of others as well. He respects all life. Nothing wrong with that.

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That's probably the best post I've ever read on imdb. Well said.
I'm agnostic but the non-apathetic type. Always interested in the unknown and keeping an open mind, while respecting the importance of science. It seems people have a great need for certainty and definite beliefs one way or the other despite how little we really know about life. Why be an atheist when you could be an anti-religious agnostic. To definitively profess that no higher power of any kind could have created the building blocks of life seems very illogical and unscientific given how little we know about the universe. That's not to say one should necessarily take up a religion. But why not keep an open mind?

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no problem.
Im more of an atheist, I still got touched by the movie aswell.
you dont have to be religouse to aprisciate the depth of this greate film..

no difference between beleving in any kind of god , the power of BELEFE in something higher make life more bearable for people in this harsh time of life (fiction or not) :)

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No, not true, at all.

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What the hell is a "True Atheist"? I'v been an atheist for 25 years. So, if I don't agree with you then I'm not a Trueâ„¢ Atheist?

That's idiotic.

-Nam

I'm on the road less traveled...

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Any true Atheist would laugh at the stuff that happens in this movie. This is not a movie for Atheists


exactly. this is a story about belief. not religion. atheists don't believe in anything, they are hollow. as such, they do not like this story. i am positive people will become upset and call me some sort of christian or muslim or whatever, it's sad, they are lost and angry.

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I am an atheist. You say I don't believe in anything and that I'm hollow. Well, I believe in love, I believe in friendship, I believe in me, I might even believe in you. But according to you that doesn't count (Yeah, how could anyone not believing in God be friendly?).
I am an atheist. A theos - No god. I do not believe in a higher being who has an impact on my life. That is what "atheist" means. Nothing else.
I am an atheist and I can still appreciate philosophical discussions, about religion or not.
I am an atheist and I enjoyed this movie.

And I'm not lost nor angry. I know where I am and at most I feel sorry for you for being so narrow-minded. :o)


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I, too, am an atheist, and I found this movie quite spiritual. You don't need a deity to see the depth of meaning here. If you are a believer in God, you may understand the line one way. If you are not, as I am not, then you may understand the line another. This film affected me deeply.

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Did you watch the movie? By the end Pi still had concrete faith in God, how is that pro-atheism?

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The story with the tiger is what made him cope with reality, and so it goes with religion. Some people need religion to make them feel better about their mortality and especially mortality of their loved ones. Some people find something else. I wouldn't say it's necessarily pro-atheism. The movie is kind of telling you that you can choose to live however you want to, you can choose which story makes you feel better. Personally, I prefer the truth.

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It is easier to accept the truth when it makes little difference to you.

Now imagine you find out your loving wife/brother/father/sister/mother is a cannibalistic serial-killer. Someone whom you trusted and cared about for years is a heartless monster responsible for murdering dozens of people.

That becomes far harder to accept. I believe most people would cling to the false idea rather than see the person they've loved all their life as a monster.

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No, it's not pro-atheism. You didn't get the point. It's about acepting everyone's believes because the real truth cannot be known.

Not once in the movie, Pi says the Cook's version of the story is the real one. He specifically says "... so I told them ANOTHER story".

In the end he makes the point very clearly: he told them TWO stories, and based on what we know it is real, what we know for a fact (that the ship sunk and that Pi was the only survivor), both stories can be possible - even if one seems more realistic than the other one - and there is no way we can know which one is the REAL one. You just have to chose which one prefer.

Applying this to religion, it means we DON'T KNOW if God exists. You can't prove he exist, you can't prove he doesn't exist. Basically, his existence CAN'T be known for a fact. All we can do it to choose if we want to belive God exists or not.

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Applying this to religion, it means we DON'T KNOW if God exists. You can't prove he exist, you can't prove he doesn't exist. Basically, his existence CAN'T be known for a fact. All we can do it to choose if we want to belive God exists or not


Good summation.

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All we can do it to choose if we want to belive God exists or not

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but moreso how MANY "gods" might exist and in what form - to Pi it was the tiger

http://www.kindleflippages.com/ablog/

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The movie I watched said Pi's "religion" [if you will/must] was his friendship with Richard Parker.

his "multi religions experiments" had given him zilch and it was as he says the TIGER that got him through.

this is of course the Nietzsche theme in "God is Dead", ie man and his CORRUPTION via formal religious processes have KILLED God.

if anything Pi IS the ubermench for having "defeated" man at his nasty game.

do not forget the role OF the animals in Thus Spoke Zarathustra

http://www.kindleflippages.com/ablog/

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Compelling point. My first impression though was that they were trying to tell us that no matter which story you choose, it is all one in the same... in that all religions are actually about one God. We choose the story that we like best (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and so on). I am still leaning more toward my interpretation because in both versions of the story as well as his conversations in the movie he talks about "faith". It is faith that remains, so all roads (stories) lead to God. I do not belong to any religion now, but formerly was a Christian. I guess I would be considered agnostic and at this point in my life I think we go on in some way because energy is eternal.


"No pessimist ever discovered the secret of the stars, or sailed to an uncharted land, or opened a new doorway for the human spirit. "
Helen Keller

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My first impression though was that they were trying to tell us that no matter which story you choose, it is all one in the same... in that all religions are actually about one God. We choose the story that we like best (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and so on).


This is also what i interpreted about the movie. Clearly Pi is a believer in God and is seeking the best way to find God. With so many world religions they can't all be right but they can't all be wrong. I see this as a movie that states that there are different ways one can find God. It's not a pro-atheism movie at all. If anything one could argue it goes against Christianity because Christians believe that Jesus is the only way to God.

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Except this interpretation leaves the final line of the book a bit useless, doesn't it?

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"ADULT PI :So which story do you prefer?
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ADULT PI: Thank you. And so it goes with God."
I believe Pi was a pantheist--any god will do. He was also a pathological liar--any story that suits the situation will do. We have a president like that!

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Beautiful analogy...love it when people use a movie website to put forth their political agenda. Exactly what I want to see after watching a good flick. Ever think of posting that gem on a political website, and maybe leaving IMDb for the movie people, DrakeStraw?

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Ever think of posting that gem on a political website ...
It's not just a political statement that Obama told a whopper about keeping your plan and your doctor. It's an obviously well-documented fact. I'd believe Pi's first story before I'd believe Obama! If a movie is about a liar, what's wrong with comparing the main character with other liars?

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What was that thing that Bush said about WMDs, I seem to remember that whopper starting a WAR. I guess if I had to have a lying president, I'd go with the one who wants everyone to have healthcare, and not the one who wants war.

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... I'd go with the one who wants everyone to have healthcare ...
Another big lie, more people are losing their healthcare and that's not the law's main objective which is big government control and eventual collapse into single payer. Bush was also a liar and Obama also wants war. Why are we still in Afghanistan? (Hint: Bush and Obama have had the same bosses!)

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How did you come to this conclusion? It's obvious that Pi is not an atheist. Clearly he believes in god, he questions which religion he should follow in the beginning but never states that he does not believe in a god or gods. If you recall, he pleads for forgiveness from Lord Vishnu when he kills the fish that ultimately prevents him and the tiger from starving. Hinduism is a religion. How does this movie promote atheism?


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