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What kind of vehicle should she have

posted 8 years ago by Hassan_Scarborough
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If this turns into a series Diana needs her own vehicle.

But what should it be?

[–] Seratim 8 years ago

With her super-speed and super-endurance for what purpose?

Stupid P'takh!

[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

So she runs everywhere? She's not the flash who can run across water.

And we don't want her jumping like the Hulk.

What about a cool motorcycle?

[–] Seratim 8 years ago

Oh, yes she can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman

Hermes, the messenger god of speed, granted Diana superhuman speed and the ability to fly

Stupid P'takh!

[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

Not in the film series. That's from Brian Azzarello's story line. I know all about that.

[–] Seratim 8 years ago

We haven't had the first film yet to make that judgement.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

Huh? We have BvS and Snyder states she would not fly.

She and the league travel with Batman. I'm asking if she has a series, what should her vehicle be.

With rebirth out I doubt they will adapt anything from New 52.

[–] Seratim 8 years ago

Flying, but super-speed is something else.

Do you mean a TV series? If so, is obligatorily campy?

Stupid P'takh!

[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

The film series. I doubt DC will do one.

But if they did, what should she travel in? Remember Diana was on a commercial air flight in BvS.

Side Note: She does have "Super" speed in the comics.

[–] Seratim 8 years ago

So, you're saying that she has super-strength, but not super-speed?

I don't think so.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

I don't know what she has in the film series but she has both super speed and super strength in the comics.

She's as fast as Superman in the comics.

[–] Seratim 8 years ago

Right, so why change it? As the saying goes "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Stupid P'takh!

[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

I agree. Not sure why Snyder doesn't have her flying.

She didn't fly at first in Azzarello's story line but that was her with other gods.

I doubt DCEU does any of that story line.

[–] atg_commish 8 years ago

Looked like she flew coach in BvS.

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

I suppose like in the comics, she will get them gradually, Hermes would grant her the power to fly. That's if only she gets more movies in the DCEU, as it's following her New 52 origin. For now, she's earth bound. She will travel in Bat's Flying Fox in JL most probably.

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[–] jacobhutchinson 8 years ago

Well her invisible jet

[–] politicidal 8 years ago

The invisible jet? Like she acquires it during the Cold War perhaps.

What's missing in movies is same as in society: a good sense of work ethic and living up to ideals.

[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

When ever I think about a new version of the invisible jet I always think about the Klingon Bird of Prey.

[–] unumagu 8 years ago

Not a huge fan but she still needs her ship or at least a car. But not a motorcycle. Thats too many coincidences between her and Captain America. The shield, the same war era, Those look-a-like Ironman boots. Crawling out the trenches like Ironman

[–] Seratim 8 years ago

With super-speed, what would she need a car for?

Stupid P'takh!

[–] Destructo_Dude_Reborn 8 years ago

I hate when people bring up her super-speed. It's like freeze breath to me, a power that doesn't make her stand out and isn't that important and will likely be glossed over.

[–] q_leo_rahman 8 years ago

I think that since she is part god, she doesn't need a vehicle.

It's like the time Superman received a car to get around. He doesn't need one!

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

So would you say that about Superman as well?

Stupid P'takh!

[–] Destructo_Dude_Reborn 8 years ago

Yes. His freeze breath and super smelling are not very popular powers he has that we could do without for the purposes of a blockbuster motion picture.

[–] Seratim 8 years ago

So, why not eliminate his super-speed as well?

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Sweet baby jesus mother of Christ..what's with you and Super-speed ? We saw that she's quite fast in BvS the way she leaps. Chill, good Sir !

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

Is that directed at me? I'm fighting against diminishing her power set. What the frack does she need a car, or of all things a motorcycle for? And despite what another poster had said, she can compete against Flash in a race.

I'm really uneasy about the movie because she's on a horse.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Unlike Superman, she gets her various abilities gradually, from various Gods. I guess she didn't get them yet. Besides, to make a movie interesting, they nerf most Superheroes. Imagine the Silver Age Superman in the movies. There will be no point to cast a villain then.

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

I'm actually ok with that, although I don't want to wait until the third movie before she is fully powered. What has set me off here is the thought of reducing her basic power set.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] Seratim 8 years ago

However, fully powered, she still does have enemies. Cheetah, Silver Swan, Circe, etc. Cheetah, of course, can't take her in a one-on-one fight, so there are other ways for her to wend her evil.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Her powers fluctuate, depending on the plot and writer, just like Superman. In some comics she could fly, in some she doesn't. WW movie is somewhat her origin story, so she should get her other abilities later on. Besides, MoS Superman is the weakest portrayal of him so far, similar to the one of John Byrne.. still very powerful..and he just began his life as Superman. Just pray that you get a third movie, the way DCEU is headed ..I doubt.

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

That is true, but the SS's never fluctuated, they only increased. That was clearly the case when she introduced in 1941.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

That's because travelling speed isn't her defining trait, unlike the Flash. Her trait is being a ferocious and super smart and a powerful fast warrior.

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

This is where I take exception. People don't say the same thing for Superman, even though she is just as fast as he is, maybe faster, and is almost as strong.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

She has faster reaction time sometimes, but that's because she doesn't think before landing a punch, Superman does. Raw speed however, Superman is untouchable in space. On the grounds and atmosphere, faster than anyone apart from the Flash. Speed doesn't define Wonder Woman, she is fast but she doesn't have many speed feats, unlike Superman. Whose most recent speed feat was to travel back to earth from the edge of the Universe in just 60 days, after losing the doomsday disease in the New 52..non stop flying, that's hundreds or even thousands times the light speed.

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

She can run at half light-speed.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

She might, but she would never. If she were to run at that speed, could you Imagine what would happen to the environment around her ? That's the reason Superman doesn't accelerate up until several mach just to avoid the catastrophe it would cause. And as I have said, she is incredibly fast because she has the blessing bestowed upon her by Hermes, but she has no feat. to prove that she is faster than a Kryptonian under yellow sun.

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

I don't know where you get that from, but that means that you don't deny her speed.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Here, take a look at this scan.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123129/2873156-450900-07_super.jpg

Of course I don't deny her speed, she is fast. But not always, only when she has the ability of Hermes. She doesn't have any speed feat to be faster than Superman anyway.

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

When is she fast and not?

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

At moments she didn't get her power from the Gods.

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

Therefore, after that is complete, it's permanent. It doesn't go down.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Depending on who is writing her, she is mentioned to be swifter than Hermes, which is quite fast, but she doesn't have raw speed feat, but she does have combat speed which is faster than a Kryptonian just because she is more experienced.
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67985/1301918-wonder_woman_faster2.jpg

That means, if a warrior Krytpnoian is facing her, like Zod or Faora, Diana will lose that speed advantage, because they are trained too.

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

That assumes that the training is equal and with Batman stating that WW is the best fighter in the universe, it would subsume Zod and Faora as well.

However, I wasn't talking about reaction speed when this debate began, but raw speed and took exception when it was implied that she doesn't have super-speed because she does.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Not definitely in the Universe, on Planet Earth, I suppose. There are other beings in DC you know. Only advantage over Zod or Faora she has, is her magic. However, she won't stand a chance against Martian Manhunter or 'Superboy-Prime', if you know him. She has super speed, just not as fast as Superman.

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

Wait, if she can spar with and defeat Superman, you're saying that she doesn't have a chance against Martian Manhunter? And how is that Kryptonian training is better than Amazon? You seem to look for ways to depower her.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

That's all just assumption, Wonder Woman has never actually defeated Superman. Only once in canon, while he was being controlled by Maxwell Lord, she withstood blows from Superman although broke her arm, but managed to snap him out of the mind control, rather than actually defeating him..and in Injustice once. Superman always holds back, she doesn't. But he defeated beings which Wonder Woman couldn't. As for Martian Manhunter, he is even more powerful than Superman. So that's that. I'm just staying in limit here, where am I depowering her ? Lol. I have mentioned various times, she is quite capable of taking on Supes, and even defeat and kill him, but so does he. Never said Kryptonian training is better than Amzaon, but you have to understand, Kryptonians are once of the most advanced races in the Universe. They have different Gods and deities than the Amazons and humans.

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNXwWHzSWv0

Not so. You can see here that they both went all out and Superman only held back when he realized he was fighting her.

Martian Manhunter has other powers and does have super-human strength, but where is it said that he is physically stronger than her?

Nevertheless, throughout this thread you've only talked of her limits.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

And was I wrong about anything ? You posted a JLU video, which apparently is one of the the weakest version of Superman to exist. Nonetheless, she is quite capable, as I am mentioning this for the thousandth time. MM, he is really strong, if not stronger, and he has lots of tricks,a powerful telepath and he is quite smart. He can take her on a battle easier than Superman can.

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

In that case, it's all about version, right? If you look for the strongest version of him and the weakest version of her, then fine he wins. I don't see where MM is physically stronger than either of them, even if he has super-human strength.

Stupid P'takh!

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Well, you wouldn't wanna bring the strongest version of Superman into this, lol. Which are ridiculously powerful, basically gods.

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[–] Seratim 8 years ago

Since this is the Wonder Woman movie, she should be the focus and therefore, the strongest version of her is most appropriate.

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[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Of course, she could be the strongest, if the villain was like Eclipso.

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[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

That means, if a warrior Krytpnoian is facing her, like Zod or Faora, Diana will lose that speed advantage, because they are trained too.

I don't mean to interrupt but I haven't seen any Kryptonian beat Diana out right.

Diana is older than Zod and has way more experience and Faora is nothing to Diana. Ursa is a better comparison.

Diana sometimes needs to adjust to raw power, as she did when she fought Powergirl, but once she adjusted, Powergirl ended up in a full nelson.

Most of the time Diana simply doesn't want to kill her opponent or even hurt them.

When she became God of War she became faster and stronger.

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Never said they would win though, just they will have the advantage Superman doesn't have, fighting skills. WW will eventually neutralize any post-crisis Kryptonian (Except for Superboy-Prime). Superman has been on earth longer than any other Kryptonian so, he is stronger. Diana didn't fight Clark much, but at the time when Clark was being controlled by Max, their fight was pretty much a stalemate until Diana used her Tiara to cut Supe's throat, and snap him out of the mind control. Then she killed Max Lord though. When it comes to raw strength and speed, Clark edges Diana most of the time.

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[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

When it comes to raw strength and speed, Clark edges Diana most of the time.

Depends on the story line and with anything the writer. As God of War Diana is stronger and faster than she was before.

She was able to break Clark's hold and his arm. But I guess both our points are that she's still the better fighter.

But many have a valid point that if she has super speed why does she even need a vehicle.

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

As speed isn't her defining trait, she doesn't have much credible feats for that. God of War Diana, of course, has the powers of Ares, but has no major feats. Whereas both pre and post crisis Supes have astounding speed feats. As for why she will need a vehicle, I suppose the only explanation is that she didn't get her speed ability yet, or she just doesn't want to run/fly.

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[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

As speed isn't her defining trait, she doesn't have much credible feats for that. God of War Diana, of course, has the powers of Ares, but has no major feats. Whereas both pre and post crisis Supes have astounding speed feats. As for why she will need a vehicle, I suppose the only explanation is that she didn't get her speed ability yet, or she just doesn't want to run/fly.

Again, depends on the story-line. She used her "super speed" against Powergirl.

As far as feats go, Flash has done way more than Superman.

And she got the power of flight and speed from Hermes and nothing really is supposed to be faster than a god.

It wasn't just Ares and he never gave her strength. That, she had already.

Again, it depends on the story teller.

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

It is true, depends on the writer and story. Obviously Flash has more speed feats than Supes, he's a speedster. He is powered by the speed force, so no one apart from celestials or above is faster than him. However, WW was never shown to be faster than Superman, neither on earth, nor on space, WW barely flies in space because she needs at least a breather to operate in there (Pre-crisis Diana used her invisible jet in interstellar travels) , or under water. Although space is a whole different level. On some occasions, Supes was even faster than the flash in space.

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[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

It is true, depends on the writer and story. Obviously Flash has more speed feats than Supes, he's a speedster. He is powered by the speed force, so no one apart from celestials or above is faster than him. However, WW was never shown to be faster than Superman, neither on earth, nor on space, WW barely flies in space because she needs at least a breather to operate in there (Pre-crisis Diana used her invisible jet in interstellar travels) , or under water. Although space is a whole different level. On some occasions, Supes was even faster than the flash in space.

Again, depends on the writer and story-line. In Peter David's story-line Sup couldn't even breath underwater much less space.

And when Superman fought Diana in space and knocked her from the sun back to earth she just got back up again.

At times Superman couldn't even survive that long in space without the yellow sun.

And at one point Barry could teleport. So the notion that even pre-crisis was faster than Barry, is a myth. Not to mention it's not like even New 52 version is that much weaker than pre-crisis.

It was just DC having a lot of inconsistencies with different characters over the years and even pre-crisis got beat by Lantern and Solomon Grundy if I'm not mistaken and couldn't beat the Anti-Monitor Prime by himself.

Diana had to travel dimensions and space to ask for help from multiple gods. One was DC's version of Odin.

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Peter David was mostly Supergirl writer, and his Superman was based on John Byrne/Bronze Age. After Crisis, Byrne rebooted Supes, and made him more earthbound in Man of Steel. The villains were mostly earthbound too, and at that time, Supes couldn't survive the vacuum of space, or underwater. DCAU is based on that. As soon as he started to face more cosmic level threats, he started to fly, breathe in space again, after Byrne's departure. Until now, he can do that.

So the notion that even pre-crisis was faster than Barry, is a myth.

Not even close to a myth. Silver Age Superman was faster than the Flash in several occasions. Pre-Crisis Superman flew so fast, he crossed multiple dimension barriers and the infinite barrier just near the barrier of the Presence, only to be stopped by The Spectre, where no living may trespass, and almost destroyed the universe in the process. And that was canon. Silver Age Superman was ridiculous and bizarre, he destroyed a Solar system just by sneezing, so, New 52 Supes is nowhere near that level. Still very powerful. SA Superman was one of the reasons CoIE happened and the whole DC multiverse rebooted.

Anti-monitor is a celestial and one of the most powerful beings is DC, Supes not defeating him, is logical. As for Diana, if that was pre-crisis, she surely have used the invisible jet. Haven't read post crisis where she crosses dimensions to meet gods. Last time she went to meet gods, was to help her lover regain his powers.

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[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

Peter David was mostly Supergirl writer, and his Superman was based on John Byrne/Bronze Age. After Crisis, Byrne rebooted Supes, and made him more earthbound in Man of Steel. The villains were mostly earthbound too, and at that time, Supes couldn't survive the vacuum of space, or underwater. DCAU is based on that. As soon as he started to face more cosmic level threats, he started to fly, breathe in space again, after Byrne's departure. Until now, he can do that.

Peter rebooted Aquaman and it seems that Momoa's version is based on David's version.

And pre-crisis got beat by Solomon Grundy. You keep going to that as if that were the most powerful version of Superman.

All I've seen other than the Action Comics version as of recent, who was actually powered completely down, writers simply made him a more focused character.

If anything during the New 52 phase they tried to make him more powerful.

Not even close to a myth. Silver Age Superman was faster than the Flash in several occasions. Pre-Crisis Superman flew so fast, he crossed multiple dimension barriers and the infinite barrier just near the barrier of the Presence, only to be stopped by The Spectre, where no living may trespass, and almost destroyed the universe in the process. And that was canon. Silver Age Superman was ridiculous and bizarre, he destroyed a Solar system just by sneezing, so, New 52 Supes is nowhere near that level. Still very powerful. SA Superman was one of the reasons CoIE happened and the whole DC multiverse rebooted.

Depends on the writer. When Lantern was possessed by Parallex he had the same powers and again Pre-crisis got beat by Hal.

Barry was obsessed with speed and was able to travel dimensions. That was during the time he was vibrating through solid objects. and his goal was to be faster than Superman. Once he was able to break the time barrier it was over.

It's really different writers who altered Superman, but as a whole many respected his power. The key is he can't be the only power house on the League.

Anti-monitor is a celestial and one of the most powerful beings is DC, Supes not defeating him, is logical. As for Diana, if that was pre-crisis, she surely have used the invisible jet. Haven't read post crisis where she crosses dimensions to meet gods. Last time she went to meet gods, was to help her lover regain his powers.

You're not even close, but as a powerful demi god she can travel across space. Even before becoming god of war, one story-line had it were she could become more powerful by taking off her bracelets.

I believe Goeff Johns and other writers simply wanted a more focused Superman. Once it was established that he absorbed our solar systems suns energy, it seemed that they simply wanted to keep it focused so that it made sense.

But this notion that we have to keep going back to pre-crisis is silly because Diana was a stereotyped character that no one wants to see again.

I get you want to believe that was Superman at his most powerful, it is not. And a moot point seeing as DC made sure Superboy Prime was the most powerful in terms of Kryptonians. I reiterate we can't go back to pre-crisis for some of these characters.

They were changed for a reason.

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

If anything during the New 52 phase they tried to make him more powerful.

After the John Byrne reboot of the Modern Age Superman, he was at his weakest, but was gradually increased depending on writers, and villains. After Flashpoint, came in the the New 52 version, whose powers were increased in a large scale, until his demise, now we have the pre-flashpoint version.

Depends on the writer. When Lantern was possessed by Parallex he had the same powers and again Pre-crisis got beat by Hal.

Like Anti-Monitor, Parallax is a multi-dimensional being, Superman at any stage taking on them and beating them would be just ridiculous.

I get you want to believe that was Superman at his most powerful, it is not. And a moot point seeing as DC made sure Superboy Prime was the most powerful in terms of Kryptonians. I reiterate we can't go back to pre-crisis for some of these characters.

If you mean the Silver Age Superman, then yes, he was the most powerful version of any Superman in canon. Bronze Age also was pre-crisis, but that Superman is too ancient and was not that powerful to count nonetheless. There are various others, like the All Star, Kingdom Come, Red Son, Thought Robot and the Prime One Million etc. Prime One Million isn't canon, but is omnipotent. Silver Age Superman became too powerful as he could travel backwards in time, make up powers as he goes.. for the writers to write anything sensible, thus one of the big reasons for the Crisis to take place. After the Crisis, Superboy Prime remains as the most powerful incarnation so far in the canon.

You're not even close, but as a powerful demi god she can travel across space. Even before becoming god of war, one story-line had it were she could become more powerful by taking off her bracelets.

In pre crisis, she could never fly apart from using her jet. She was granted the power of winds, but she needed wind to fly. That all changed however, in the New 52 when Azzarello started writing, which is the Incarnation adopted in the DCEU..until the god of war. After that Geoff Johns paired her with Superman as couples, in which one of the issues, she visits the Gods to save Superman. Until Convergence.

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[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

After the John Byrne reboot of the Modern Age Superman, he was at his weakest, but was gradually increased depending on writers, and villains. After Flashpoint, came in the the New 52 version, whose powers were increased in a large scale, until his demise, now we have the pre-flashpoint version.

Which is basically just Donner's version. But same power threshold.

Like Anti-Monitor, Parallax is a multi-dimensional being, Superman at any stage taking on them and beating them would be just ridiculous.

True

If you mean the Silver Age Superman, then yes, he was the most powerful version of any Superman in canon. Bronze Age also was pre-crisis, but that Superman is too ancient and was not that powerful to count nonetheless. There are various others, like the All Star, Kingdom Come, Red Son, Thought Robot and the Prime One Million etc. Prime One Million isn't canon, but is omnipotent. Silver Age Superman became too powerful as he could travel backwards in time, make up powers as he goes.. for the writers to write anything sensible, thus one of the big reasons for the Crisis to take place. After the Crisis, Superboy Prime remains as the most powerful incarnation so far in the canon.

And that's my point. It's really per story-line not as a whole. I think people focus on who beats him or beats up on him as meaning he's powered down.

Action Comics he was truly powered down. but the New-52 version wasn't powered down. The key really is other characters, like Aquaman, were made more powerful.

In pre crisis, she could never fly apart from using her jet. She was granted the power of winds, but she needed wind to fly. That all changed however, in the New 52 when Azzarello started writing, which is the Incarnation adopted in the DCEU..until the god of war. After that Geoff Johns paired her with Superman as couples, in which one of the issues, she visits the Gods to save Superman. Until Convergence.

The story I'm referring to, where she visited Odin, had nothing to do with Superman.

There was the Gail Simone stories (if I remember correctly) where she had "Super-Speed" when flying. All Brian did was give an account of how she got the power of flight.

But the point I see with many posters on here is even without the power of flight she had super-speed, just not the ability to fly. So why can't she just run like Flash.

I haven't checked out the rebirth series but as god of war, she's even faster on the ground and in the air.

Again, we can't keep going back to pre-crisis.

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

The story I'm referring to, where she visited Odin, had nothing to do with Superman.

There was the Gail Simone stories (if I remember correctly) where she had "Super-Speed" when flying. All Brian did was give an account of how she got the power of flight.

I see, well I'm yet to read her issue "The Circle", which you're referring to. Started reading after Geoff Johns has started writing Justice League. Anywho, she has only one issue as rebirth, post God of War, where she in grief from previous events, her lasso isn't working and such, will probably continue from early next year. Recent issues are Greg Rucka's (Whom I don't like much, said WW is queer) Year One with Steve Trevor, which are fine. And Justice League where she is getting used to the pre-flashpoint Superman who isn't her lover. Although rebirth JL issues are quite horrendous so far.

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[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

I see, well I'm yet to read her issue "The Circle", which you're referring to. Started reading after Geoff Johns has started writing Justice League. Anywho, she has only one issue as rebirth, post God of War, where she in grief from previous events, her lasso isn't working and such, will probably continue from early next year. Recent issues are Greg Rucka's (Whom I don't like much, said WW is queer) Year One with Steve Trevor, which are fine. And Justice League where she is getting used to the pre-flashpoint Superman who isn't her lover. Although rebirth JL issues are quite horrendous so far.

I had a felling it wasn't going to be good. DC has a bad habit of thinking they can and should reboot an entire series instead of just tweaking a few issues.

There was a few elements that I actually liked in New 52.

What's funny is I just finished reading Geoff's "Rebirth" series with Lantern from before this, I guess, new rebirth series.

Now I have to read, yet another rebirth series. Good lord.

[–] mddwbsst 8 years ago

MoS Superman is the weakest portrayal of him so far, similar to the one of John Byrne.. still very powerful..and he just began his life as Superman.

To be honest I kind of liked that. If he's to powerful it kind of kills the tension. If he's say unable to lift a huge oil rig and hold it for a few seconds, or unable to take 50 pound shell to the face and just shrug it off.

It adds more tension and more feeling to him continually trying.

Just pray that you get a third movie, the way DCEU is headed ..I doubt.

Its already been confirmed they are making a third movie. So I wouldn't worry.

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Yes I agree with that too. His powers depends on the premise, and he is known to hold back. I don't mind his powers in MoS, just didn't like how he was portrayed, specially in the end.

There are several DCEU projects in development, however if WW and JL fail to impress, WB will probably cut their losses.

How the name, "Martha" brought out the real Batman
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[–] mddwbsst 8 years ago

Yes I agree with that too. His powers depends on the premise, and he is known to hold back. I don't mind his powers in MoS, just didn't like how he was portrayed, specially in the end.

Very well.

I'll be honest though, I didn't really mind the ending, simply cause even after all these years I can't think of any better alternative.

There are several DCEU projects in development, however if WW and JL fail to impress, WB will probably cut their losses.

Well it depends. Say if they have already finished filming, there probably release it and just cancel future projects.

Likewise we shouldn't assume they will fail. Its true there record so far hasn't been as good as hoped, but financewise there not in any trouble.

Nor is it to late for things to turn around. After all from audience responses so far they've had one okay but could be better film, one disappointing film, and one problematic but enjoyable film.

If there next film is well received then there set for quite a while.

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Likewise we shouldn't assume they will fail. Its true there record so far hasn't been as good as hoped, but financewise there not in any trouble.

I'm all in for them to succeed, obviously, but so far..Snyder and WB have let me down, really bad. Geoff Johns is in charge now, that's a good thing...and being a Superman fan, I'm always optimistic.

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[–] mddwbsst 8 years ago

I understand.

I'm glad Geoff Johns is steering the ship now, though I'm a little worried as he hasn't much experience with films.

Still I'm also optimistic.

To be perfectly honest, and please feel free to tell me I'm being idealistic, but I'm kind of glad Snyder is directing one more film for DC. While his skill are questionable, he is clearly a big fan and he does have good ideas.

His problem seems to be a combination of having no on to hold him back, and them cutting out to many important scenes.

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

Snyder's biggest mistake was to change the ideals of Superman, although he tried a different approach on him. In BvS, Supes is much like the Miller's version in DKR, and Miller is arguably the worst Superman/Wonder WOman writer ever. He is the worst writer of any kind after 'Holy Terror'. I just don't want Snyder to destroy an iconic Superhero further in the name of Nolan and being realistic. Judging by the reports and such, he would be the usual symbol of hope in future movies, so I'm optimistic.

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[–] mddwbsst 8 years ago

I agree he didn't do enough to incorporate Superman's ideals. Now I was all for him being a bit more afraid and cynical at the start, as it is more realistic and made him feel more human and relatable. But that's only cause I expected him to grow over time and become the character we know and love.

And I think that was there intention, but they underplayed and didn't go far enough with it. (To be fair, the fact so many scenes were cut probably had something to do with it)

To be completely fair to Miller I think he's still a good writer (his most recent comic was pretty good and went down quite well), its just either due to experience, age or success somewhere along the road he lost a lot of the self awareness that made his earlier stories so good. Without it, far to many of his bad ideas or opinions spill into his work making them difficult to enjoy.

I mean back in The Dark Knight Returns, while its clear he doesn't like Superman, he still kept the character sympathetic enough to just come across as well intention and simply mistaken, with the ending giving the impression he was going to get better.

Nowadays he just doesn't seem to have the same awareness he once did.

Judging by the reports and such, he would be the usual symbol of hope in future movies, so I'm optimistic.

Here's hoping they give it more focus.

[–] ElDiomedes 8 years ago

To be completely fair to Miller I think he's still a good writer (his most recent comic was pretty good and went down quite well), its just either due to experience, age or success somewhere along the road he lost a lot of the self awareness that made his earlier stories so good. Without it, far to many of his bad ideas or opinions spill into his work making them difficult to enjoy.

He went nuts after Sin City, everything else he writes now get those gritty vibes. Granted, he hates Superman, but his take on Wonder Woman is just cringe worthy. And it's true, his age caught up with him. He was one of the best and brutal "Batman" writers.

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[–] mddwbsst 8 years ago

He went nuts after Sin City, everything else he writes now get those gritty vibes.

Yeah, still his most recent comic wasn't so bad. He's no doubt done a lot of bad stuff. But that one at least was a sign of improvement.

Granted, he hates Superman, but his take on Wonder Woman is just cringe worthy.

Oh yeah it really was. It almost makes you wonder if it was self-parody.

And it's true, his age caught up with him. He was one of the best and brutal "Batman" writers.

Oh yeah he really was.

Batman: Year One is still pretty much the definitive origin story, at least to me that is.

[–] Teflon_Boy 8 years ago

She appears to move at super speed in the trailer scene where she apprehends the gun man.

[–] yeejunru 8 years ago

She can ride me
Yes she can

[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

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[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

She'll just book a Turkish Airlines flight - they have a lax attitude to carrying dangerous swords, lassos and shields on board

Lol! good point.

[–] atg_commish 8 years ago

A motorbike. All the best heroes have motorbikes.