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Very damaging to gay people


Though Quinceanera is mostly deserving of the praise it has received, I am very disturbed by the negative image of "committed" gay relationships that Glatzer and Westmoreland have chosen to propagate. Had this been a film intended only for gay audiences, the non-monogamous Anglo couple might have been seen as merely one type of same gender relationship among many (including committed monogamous ones). However Quinceanera will be seen by a much larger audience, including a large number of Latinos for whom this may be their first glimpse of a gay couple and who will be left with a very negative stereotype of gay relationships. Two men who wear rings and share a home together but regularly invite hot young "cholos" into their bed (as do their friends) is not a way I want to see my community depicted to audiences who may already be predisposed to see gay men as perverted and immoral. Glatzer and Westmoreland's irresponsibility in propagating this negative image is the last thing the LGBT community need at a time when we are fighting the "religious" right for full legal recognition of our relationships.

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Well, this is a movie, not social work or advocacy. I found the depiction of gay characters balanced and comparable to that given to non-gay characters.

You raise important issues. There are several easy ways to dismiss them, but I want to add that I do NOT agree with these techniques to automatically reject the types of questions you asked.

*This is just a movie.
*Don't worry about how some hypothetical audience will receive this: just focus on the movie itself.
*There shouldn't be any differnce in your opinion about a movie targeted to gay audiences and one targeted to straight audiences.

As I said, I don't agree with these three reasons I've given above which many people use to silence the line of inquiry you're making. But here's why I think it doesn't apply in the case of this movie.

First, all the relationships in this movie are examined critically, and many are found to be at least a little hypocritical or self-serving. Herman caves in to his mother's demands. His mother, despite her high principles for her son, doesn't give a damn about either his girlfriend or his child. Magdalena's aunt offers to help adjust the dress but hisses "catorce años" (fourteen years) as soon as Magdalena's mother is out of earshot. Magdalena's father fails to practice "love thy neighbor with all they heart, with all they soul, with all they mind". The progressive lesbian couple really want to make a buck, which means not renting to local Latinos. The girlfriends of Magdalena are two-faced.

Second, there are several queer relationships shown in the movie. The one we see the most of--Gary and James--are struggling with their marriage. In that, they resemble lots of straight couples except that they're more willing than most straights to consider three-ways not cheating. We also see a bit of the lesbian couple who end up doing the right thing by making a bit less off their rehab and helping out someone from the 'hood. Uncle Tomas quite likely was queer despite his vague stories about platonic love affairs with girls. And in the scene when his effects are being boxed up, one of the sisters says, "Who's this woman with Tia ...?", which suggests that this might have been Tia's partner. Finally, Carlos himself shows one way of being both queer and a part of a family.

Third, let's imagine that mostly Latino, mostly straight audience which hasn't seen many gay couples in cinema. No doubt, some will say they were put off by the sexual promiscuity that is shown as being consistent with monogamy. Probably not as many will really be upset by this but might find it thrilling and also familiar as they'll have known many people (predominately, but not exclusively, men) who also see no deep contradiction between plural sex and single marriage.

Finally, the greater unfairness, I think, is to Latinos who, no matter how conservative they say their culture is, often know through networks of extended kinship and friends, a number of queers. Many Mexicans have "un tio puto" or "una tia marimacha", who is loved, tolerated, mocked, adored, ostracized and relied on. Richard Rodriquez goes over this territory in many of his essays.

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Yawn. That was profound. Hardly.

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"I keep to myself my opinion about homosexuality, cause I don’t want to be attacked, but it seems to me that most gay people today not only want to be treated with respect but also they want to be admired and to receive a medal for what they do, sorry, that’s too much for me, you want to keep doing what you do ?, fine, do it, I don’t care, but you cant force me to believe what you do is good, neither can you force me to teach my kids that what you do is ok.
God bless you."

I don't think people criticizing the portrayal of gays in certain movies has anything to do with wanting to be treated better than everyone else. I think it has to do with thinking that there should be the same kind of balanced depiction of gays in movies that there are of straights and other groups. There really haven't even been that movies that have portrayed gay characters realistically. A lot of straight people and white people and other people who aren't minorities probably don't think about how the representation of people in movies has an effect on culture in general because there's so many representations of people who aren't minorities in movies. It's not the same with other groups. I haven't seen this movie, though, so I can't say anything about it.

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You don't give a rat ass...and then god bless me? Quite a confusing message there, orjg2.

"...a bird which flies into your house is an angel."-House of Sand and Fog

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a free world? I wish...!

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This is so typical... Sound like we have ourselves a snooty little princess with a cryptonite chastity belt tied around his rectum. I'm a gay man with a healthy appetite for sex. I go clubbing at least four days a week and it's very rare that I return unaccompanied to my domicile. We must have as much fun as is humanly possible during our short time on this planet. If you keep up this attitude you will depart a bitter old man. I for one plan to go with a smile ten miles wide and with three cholos crowding my death bed, fighting for access to my various orifices.

Lighten up, brother!

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Soundwhiz, to each his own, but I hope you're using protection while you enjoy yourself, or you time on this earth really WILL be short.
A concerned nurse in Portland....

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AMEN, brother!

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I agree and disagree. I believe in honesty and our community should always be honestly portrayed, good or bad. Our community is made up of just about everyone from all walks of life (that's what's so wonderful about it) and there are a large amount of gay men and lesbian women who choose to have open sexual relationships. Everyone in our GLBT community knows that there are many monogamous and non-monogamous relationships. We of all people shouldn't be afraid of what others think of us. If they accept us, great. If they curse us, well that's unfortunate -for them. We're beyond that now.

Nobody should be ashamed of the honest portrayal of their lifestlye. Who said 'having sex with your lover and someone else is wrong' and if someone did, why do they care about what someone else does behind closed doors?

American society has become acustomed to conservative and traditional values. It's the 'norm'. Why do you think it's so, so difficult for those in our community to expose themselves to the world?

We're used to hearing that gay is bad and being gay and having sex with your partner and some other person is worse. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's wrong or invalid. Just because one third of the world is god-fearing and follows strict rules, guidelines and beliefs interpreted and enforced by religion that is said to be right, true and valid, doesn't mean that an all-powerful god or spirit that did/does indeed exist, decided to create such rules, guidelines and beliefs and everyone must obey. It's just a belief, not fact.

For a near-perfect portrayal of today's GLBT community in America, I strongly reccomend one see HBO's groundbreaking series, 'Queer As Folk'.

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I agree with onexdopexpinoy. Hetero couples also have open relationships--and they're depicted in film.

What you're proposing to do for Quinceañera is the very reason why the film _Cruising_ failed at the box office--a very vocal minority in the gay community thought the film would depict gays in a negative light, so they boycotted the film. But the movie wasn't bad (well, not for that reason). It's fairly critical of New York cops and homophobia in the police department in the late 1970s/early 1980s. It depicts a subculture in the gay community--the leather scene--and offers no apologies or judgement about it.

I think what's more damaging to gay people is for them to hide their lifestyles or for them to try to fit into a hetero-normative mold.

I think it's wonderful to see a gay, butch chicano depicted in film. Kudos to the filmmakers, and I only hope gay and lesbian chicano/a directors are allowed to make mainstream films for themselves.

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please!

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Most gay couples are like that. Period. But not all of them. Though, it is a damaging depiction but the story line itself does not derail the fact that they are bunch horny gay couples who love to commit open relationship with one rule such that, if you sleep around without the presence of your partner; thats called infidelity...

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I actually thought the storyline about GLBT moving into Echo Park and pushing out the Mexicans was more harmful. Gentrification, anyone?

What are you gonna do, splash me?

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When I saw this film at Sundance in January, the writers/directors focused WAY MORE on the main theme of the film: the Gentrification of Echo Park. That was the theme that THEY stated, and anyone who sees the film objectively will recognize the true meaning behind all the subplots of the film. WHITES taking over a Latino neighborhood, and turning it all yuppified.

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I just want to say that being gay is NOT a lifestyle. It is who you are, your sexuality. Is being a heterosexual a lifestyle? NOPE. It's just a part of who you are. It's not a choice. It's not like homosexuals just all of a sudden decided they wanted to have sex with with the same gender.

So please stop saying "they can do whatever they want". It's not that we want to do it, it's who we are.

Now what is a lifestyle is how you choose to live your life as a gay person. Either by partying, being in a commited relationship, etc. Those thngs would be classified as a lifestyle.

but, being gay itself is NOT a lifestyle.

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