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I see there's a whole lot of discussion going on around here regarding this movie and it's ties to politics and religion.
I'm not sure if this has been brought up before but the most obvious link to politics/religion is the whole "A person is a person no matter how small" -rant which is clearly aimed in the direction of the abortion controversy. This become so very crystal in the ending when the rant is being repeated again, the word "metaphor" is thrown around like mad and finally the camera travels the universe while a smiley face in what looks like an egg passes by.

Bleh...

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I don't know much about how the movie ties in, but I do recall reading that Theodore Giesel (sp?), the real Dr. Seuss, threatened a pro-life organization with a lawsuit if they didn't stop using "A person's a person, no matter how small" on their letterhead. Take from that what you may.

T~O
I stand for the strange and lonely, I believe there's a better place.

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I see, interesting. If so I believe the minds of the film creators differs a bit, it's just too obvious to be coincidence in the film imo.

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i disagree with the movie having pro-life metaphors.

the movie is really tying to philosophy. Specifically, epistemology.


http://www.teachingchildrenphilosophy.org/wiki/Horton_Hears_a_Who


and considering how liberal hollywood is, i doubt they were talking about abortion being evil. additionally, the previous poster gave us the info that Dr.Seuss sued a pro-life org for using the phrase. i doubt if hollywood wanted to make a pro-life statement, they'd use this story - where the creator denounced that link.

i guess i dont have any hard evidence to support that the movie creators were NOT trying to portray that, though.

and that smiley face egg floating thru space was just Katie, that strange little student of Horton's.

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Though Geisel made a point of not beginning the writing of his stories with a moral in mind, stating that "kids can see a moral coming a mile off", he was not against writing about issues; he said "there's an inherent moral in any story"[17] and remarked that he was "subversive as hell".[18]

Many of Geisel's books are thought to express his views on a myriad of social and political issues: The Lorax (1971), about environmentalism and anti-consumerism; The Sneetches (1961), about racial equality; The Butter Battle Book (1984), about the arms race; Yertle the Turtle (1958), about anti-fascism and anti-authoritarianism; How the Grinch Stole Christmas! (1957), about anti-materialism; and Horton Hears a Who! (1954), about anti-isolationism and internationalism.[9][15] Shortly before the end of the 1972–1974 Watergate scandal, in which United States president Richard Nixon resigned, Geisel converted one of his famous children's books into a polemic. "Richard M. Nixon, Will You Please Go Now!" was published in major newspapers through the column of his friend Art Buchwald.[19]

Although Geisel never made any explicit or implicit mention of the abortion debate in his books, the line "A person's a person, no matter how small!!" from Horton Hears a Who! has grown, over the objections of his widow, into widespread use on the pro-life side of the issue.[20]

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That doesn't necessarily mean he was pro-abortion. He may have just been protecting his intellectual property from copyright infringement and from being politicized.

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that's exactly what I was thinking... my husband works for an intellectual property law firm and that's the first place my mind went. lol.

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Whether intended or not, I hope this movie does make people think about the reality of abortion. The rant from roer85 just underlines what an inconvenient truth the horror of abortion really is to so many sadly.

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This movie has nothing to do with abortion.

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I always thought it was directed to children. That no matter how small and young they still had the right to be heard and valued.

That it was an argument to "Children are to be seen and not heard."

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Seuss was actually pro-choice. His stated message of the book itself was "Every voice counts".

Supermodels...spoiled stupid little stick figures mit poofy lips who sink only about zemselves.

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What about the voice of the unborn child?

THE PRESSURE IS *beep* REDONKULOUS!

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I didn't realize they had one....

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Its just like bubbles coming out of their mouth <blup> <blup>

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That really makes no sense... for bubbles to be present there needs to be oxygen gas inside fully developed lungs. A fetus isn't exposed to a breathable amount of oxygen gas until birth.

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It makes no sense that you would take that seriously...

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Horton Hears a Who is from 1954, when abortion was both illegal and something that people just didn't talk about. The idea that anyone of the time would have had it in mind while writing a children's book is extremely unlikely.

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people will always read the most unlikely things in the most unusual places.

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Excuse me if I am being naive here but I can't believe you think there is a hidden message: it's just a nonsense poem.

I get put off when posters have political/moral rants in a forum that's about film. Those personal opinions expressed above re pro-life are completely unrelated to this flick, so why say them? I think it's rather arrogant that you believe this book was written to support your cause.

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-Excuse me if I am being naive here but I can't believe you think there is a hidden message: it's just a nonsense poem.

I get put off when posters have political/moral rants in a forum that's about film. Those personal opinions expressed above re pro-life are completely unrelated to this flick, so why say them? I think it's rather arrogant that you believe this book was written to support your cause. -

it may not be about abortion, but dr suess's stories aren't just nonsense poems. they,including this one, definitely had political undertones.

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Considering one was an elephant and the other a who, it would be more likely that this is an Animist/Jainist/vegan lesson rather than abortion related. The idea of interspecies respect has nothing to do with the hair-splitting of when human life begins.

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this movie has nothing to do with abortion. I think most of the children neither know how babies are made nor what an abortion is.

person is a person no matter how small = person is a person no matter how he/she looks like, believes in etc. it means that even if you think you are a nobody you have the possibility to do great things. and that a living creature is a living creature and everyone has to be treated with the same respect regardless of where it is from etc.

why can't people just enjoy a movie without looking for hints that might imply pro-x or anti-y messages? can't it just mean we are all the same no matter where we are and how we look like?

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