explanation please?


i didn't really understand the movie! was li li evil? what does the woman's sister have to do with anything and at the end was takako dead? was she the murderer? how does mimiko fit into this movie?

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Okay, let me try and explain this as best as I can... Takako Nozoe was basically predestined to kill from the very start. This might seem like a strange thing, and it is mainly speculation on my part, but after having seen both movies and the Chakushin Ari television drama, there seems to be a common pattern with the heroine ending up as the killer and using a knife. Yumi from the movie ends up giving in to her evil tendencies in the end of the first movie while Ami from the television series is revealed as a blackmailer and killer by the very end of the series. Ami suppresses her memories and passes herself off as her twin sister (whose death Ami was responsible for in part).

Takako here also has a twin whose death she inadvertently lead her to. Takako also admits to hating her sister and wanting her dead at one point in the movie. In the television series, Ami confessed the same.

So, I assumed from the start that Takako would kill at least one person in the end. Takako's main connection to the death calls was her sister who supposedly died by answering the death phone call at Takako's insistence. Because Takako feels guilt for what she did, she is interested in the death calls. So, her sister is more or less a plot point and a bit of character development and foreshadowing. Her sister's murder hints at Takako's hidden evil side.

In the beginning, the murders are thought to be caused by Mimiko. This was just to keep the viewer from automatically believing that Li Li is responsible for all of it. The deaths in Japan and Taiwan that involve the coal are presumed to be Li Li's doing. The deaths involving the red jawbreaker are all Mimiko's doing.

The question of whether Li Li is evil or misunderstood is debatable. Takako's point of view seems to be that Li Li is not evil, but had noticed an endemic that caused the children's emminent deaths. She seemed to believe that the villagers automatically jumped to the conclusion that Li Li was cursing everyone and killed her. When Okudera Kyoko seems to latch onto this explanation, it does make it seem a bit more real. However, Li Li doesn't stop her killing after she has been found and understood, so it can't be assumed that Takako's assumption was right.

Li Li, while certainly not as heartless and evil as Mimiko, is definitely not a misunderstood ghost. She did allow Sakurai Naoto to switch with Okudera and say goodbye to her, but she did not spare him. If Mimiko had been the killer, both Okudera and Sakurai would have died in order.

Now, when Takako's in the mine shaft, she sees a girl and "faints". The truth is she is stabbed by Mimiko, but as she dies, she is finally reunited with her twin and tries to attone for her part in her twin's death. Takako's spirit returns to Yu Ting with Mimiko in tow. While Takako is unaware of Mimiko's presence at the time, Yu Ting is not so lucky. I do think that Takako was the one who killed Yu Ting in the end and that it was not due to Mimiko possessing her (although this is debatable and you're welcome to think otherwise). Takako buries the murder in her subconscious and so we are left unaware of what really happened.

In the end when Takako finds the tape, we finally see the truth. Both Takako and Mimiko are on the tape, but it's obvious that Takako is the one who kills Yu Ting. I think like Takanaga Yumi from the first movie, Takako gives in to her evil side here and willingly does what Mimiko wants. When Takako spits out the red jawbreaker and recalls her own death in the cave, it's revealed that her murderer was Mimiko. Then she recalls killing Yu Ting.

So basically, the death phone calls are a combination effort apparently. Both Mimiko and Li Li kill and use the phone calls to confuse and predict the deaths. In the end, Takako's spirit also becomes a killer and the only living one left is Kyoko.

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Thank you so much for explaining!

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And Kyoko's sister or whatever she was. The restaurant owner's daughter.

You have issues

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I read this, but I'm still kind of fuzzy on how the victims got picked. Was there any pattern as to who got called?

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Thank you very much for the explanation, ichimaru.

However, I still do not completely understand the movie.

The cop calls Takako at one point in the movie and tells her, that Yumi was not possessed and did the killing at the end of the first movie on her own. How did he figure that out? Maybe I missed it.

You say, Takako also did the killing on her own. This would make sense, if the same happened to Yumi in the first part.

But didn't Mimiko kill each Yumi and Takako before? She definitely killed Takako in the 2nd film, I am not exactly sure about Yumi. You say, that Yumi and Takako were not possessed. But, if they had not been possessed, wouldn't they have been dead?
How could they still commit the murders, after they got killed, if not with the spirit of the girl in them?

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well i think that mimiko has to kill them so their not-evil selves are seperated from the good-selves. if you didn't realise that when both yumi and takako killed the one they loved they didnt hesitate?? probably mimiko is just the channeller for the evil side to take full control. see how that takako was busy fixing the past in her dream while her evil self went off killing.

that's just my theory.

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Thanks for giving away spoilers on the TV series without warning, asshat.

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I know, seriously. I'm not even gonna bother watching the TV series now. Ugh.

R.I.P. Anthony, Jessica, and Thamara

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Lol, what's an asshat?

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Thank you, ichimaru. I followed the movie right up until the end, and then the whole thing with Takako completely lost me, lol.

I am really starting to love Japanese horror movies though (Saw The Ring 2 after seeing the American remake, and definitely prefer the Japanese version. Same thing with The Grudge. The Japanese versions are just way better). I especially love the freaky camera work they do to make the dead move the way they do, especially down stairs. And the body twisting is fascinating too.

How come American "horror" movies not follow this style? So much better than almost everything American "horror" tries to come up with. All American "horror" does, is make everything violent and bloody, not using the "thriller" part in any way, shape or form.

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How come American "horror" movies not follow this style? So much better than almost everything American "horror" tries to come up with. All American "horror" does, is make everything violent and bloody, not using the "thriller" part in any way, shape or form.

Most Japanese films, marketed as "horror" in the US, are actually just supernatural thrillers or mysteries. Like "Stir of Echoes", which no one would describe as "Horror". That's exactly what many Japanese "horror" films are to us. Just supernatural thrillers.

This is clear if a US remake was made exactly like the original film, with the Caucasian cast. It'll be clear to some that a large percentage of westerners' "scares" comes from not being familiar with the Japanese world and its people and local traditions or customs (white means death, long hair means fearsome strength, number 4 represents death, a common fear of public restrooms, dependence on certain things, and more).

I think the film makers of US remakes realize this and they have to make their remakes conventionally scary to justify the 'Horror' label.

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Miike had nothing to do with this film...

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Chakushin Ari 2 didn't do a good job of explaining itself. Maybe it's meant to be watched more than once to be figured out. I thought the first Chakushin Ari film was much better because the story was more coherent.

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