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Movie is revisionist, propagandistic, racist and pro-terrorist


I don't mind the glorification of Akbar per se. He was a nice chap. But, overall,this is a pro-terrorist and pro-militant Islam movie. It relentlessly demonizes and dehumanized Hindus while it glorifies Islamic discrimination, violence and genocide of Hindus. Rajputs are portrayed as effeminate, subservient and inhuman, just like Jews were portrayed in Nazi Germany and are still today portrayed by Muslims.

The true historical account of Islamic rule in India can be found here:


http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/irin/genocide.html

Heck, Akbar wasn't even a Muslim. He created a separate religion called Din-i-Ilahi in an attempt to reject Islam and embrace a less violent religion. Imams in Mecca called him a "takfir" (false Muslim) and declared fatwahs against him.

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u should despise all the mugals. akbar included. they were a foreign power.

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And I assume the Aryans who reside in north and west India are home grown boys?

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Aryans belong to India only, there are various proofs for this. the whole propaganda was created by British to create division among the Indians. Sadly, this old theory still prevails and it will always be a matter of dispute because most people have built their careers on this and they won't let it go easily.

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Hmm last I saw it was a movie with a love story. Stop taking it so serious and have a nice day :)

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what a perfect reply, mate ! I completely agree that people should not take everything so seriously !

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And elaborate your "various proofs" please?

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I listened to a lecture from a renowned archaeologist in my college. Do some googling you'll find something.

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If anyone is revisionist, propagandist and racist it must be you, going by your remarks. The fact is, not all Mughals were bad news for Hindus. Akbar was actually the most tolerant and benign, albeit a little confused. He supported brahmins as well as the ulema, and his inspiration was equally the bhakti movement and Sufism. He did create his own 'tradition' called Din-e Ilahi but he did this with the very best of intentions. As a ruler, he was as benign as any monarch could possibly become. He commissioned the Majma ul Bahrayn which was a true and sincere attempt to show the shared ground between the Muslim and Hindu beliefs.

Furthermore the Mughal period IS a part of Indian history and cannot be removed by such 'purist' strains of thought. Indian architecture, bureaucracy, culture and basic values owe a considerable amount to the Mughals. The Mughals brought not only culture and order (one ruler is better than a thousand warring princes) but new and superior technology to India (they were imitators of the Safavid Persians and the Turks). Without the Mughals, there would be none of the 'new de facto kshatriya' tribes of India, such as the Sikhs and their kingdom. You can't write the Mughals out of Indian history on the basis of religious hatred or xenophobia. The Mughals were in India for such a long time they were fully Indianised, and they invigorated the kshatriya dharam.

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sagheero you are a fool to believe in the MYTH that is the Aryan invasion.

There is nothing to deny that the mughals were murderous looters, plunderers of India, they were hell bent of ravaging this beautiful land and the people they encountered, yes MAYBE there were some leaders that were open minded about non muslims but these were too far and few in numbers to the overwhelming majority of staunch muslims that resorted to genocide of Hindus. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of mandirs were smashed up, millions of people killed for what? not embracing Islam. this truly was a genocide that would make the holocaust look like a joke. its such a pity that the secular types that have written Indian history have portrayed these barbarians as humans at all.

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Are you Vishwa hindu parishad or RSS? just curious

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I am really surprised at the bitterness and hatred towards the Mughals, especially when it's directed towards a movie about AKBAR.. The guy was 1) lucky in war, especially when taking the Red Fort; 2) confused but generally benign towards Indians.

Why don't people complain about Tamerlane for God's sake... That guy was seriously disturbed - a real psychopath.

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How come he didnt just wipe out all of the hindus. Would have made a better movie at least.

I am ... complicated

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Firstly, did you even watch the same movie as the rest of us? This movie is far more critical of Muslims than it is of Hindus. It shows the Hindus as being generally nice people, whereas the Muslims are shown as being power-hungry, intolerant towards Hindus, and always fighting among each other for control over India.

Secondly, the Nazi-era German media hardly ever portrayed the Jews as "effeminate" or "subservient", but they portrayed them as the complete opposite: fanatical, power-hungry, intolerant, religious extremists, on a holy mission to conquer the world and rule over infidels/gentiles... Hardly any different to how the modern-day Western media often portrays Muslims today.

And finally, the only "revisionist, propagandistic, racist and pro-terrorist" I see here is you. I don't want to repeat what I already said in the other thread, so I'll just copy-and-paste it here:

Firstly, there is absolutely no evidence at all to support the myth about 50-100 million Hindus being killed by Muslims. You'd have to abandon logic and common sense to believe this nonsense, since the entire Indian population in the year 1000 was only 75 million. If the Muslims killed that many Hindus, then there wouldn't be any Hindus left in India. But instead, India's population increased by 50% to 110 million in 1500, according to British economic historian Angus Maddison. In comparison, India's population hardly increased at all from 1 to 1000 (remaining steady at 75 million), demonstrating that India's population growth actually improved significantly around 1000-1500, and accelerated during the Mughal era, increasing by 50% to 165 million by 1700.

Secondly, there were indeed a handful of Turkic massacres during that 1000-1500 period. But there's no need to distort history and over-exaggerate the numbers for politically motivated point-scoring purposes. The death tolls of these massacres usually numbered in the thousands, not the millions, with the possible exception of Timur, the most ruthless Turkic conquerer of them all. However, Timur killed far more Muslims than he did Hindus... kind of like his Mongol ancestors.

Thirdly, everything you've said has nothing to do with the Mughal Empire. You're conflating two completely different time periods of history, and two very different cultures, together as if they were one and the same. Like Hritik/Akbar said in the movie, the Mughals were not Turks, Afghans, or Persians. The Mughals undid the injustices of previous Turkic rulers (who they fought and defeated). From Akbar to Shah Jahan, the Mughals were known for being tolerant, up until Aurangzeb ended it with his intolerance (paving the way for the British). Also, let's not forget that Mughal India had the largest economy in the world, at its height.

And finally, the Mughals were a complete far cry from the British, who looted much of India's wealth and resources, destroyed India's local economy, established a racial hierarchy, caused numerous famines (which killed more people than all the famines in the previous thousand years combined), and turned it into a third-world nation. The Mughals were one of the thousand ethnic groups who embraced and assimilated into India's diverse multi-ethnic society. The same cannot be said for the British.



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i wish you'd rather appreciate the art in the films than making such superfluous criticisms. There was absolutely no need to bring up this topic and discuss about it.

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