It takes a special kind of idiot to say Ghajini is Mememto - Ghajini (2005) Discussion

[–] romeorammohan 16 years ago

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No really!
Anybody who has watched BOTH Memento and Ghajini can easily say there is pretty much nothing important common in both the films except for one fact:The lead characters in both the films suffer from short term memory loss.
I can't even imagine why somebody who hasn't watched both movies would go ahead and make such a bold statement and while he's at it,even bash the Indian director who has probably worked hard in making this film unlike someone like Sanjay Gupta who happens to flatly deny(at least initialy) that he was "inspired" by OngBak while making Zinda.
Repeat after me:Ghajini is not Memento!
Ghajini was pretty good,maybe not as good as Memento but it way by no means an average movie.The origin for their disorder is different in both movies,the story telling in both the movies is waaay different and I'd probably end up spoiling the movies for somebody if go any further with this comparison.
Having said that the Hindi REMAKE of Ghajini is going to be really good because Aamir Khan would probably have ironed out the parts for which Ghajini received negative reviews(from those who watched the movie :P ) namely the slow,dragging ending.

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SPOILERS

here we go again

first have you "WATCHED MEMENTO FULLY" or are you posting here after hearing about it from someone or reading about in imdb

how do you even think that origin of A.M.D is different

both Lenny (in memento) and sanjay ramaswamy (ghajini) experience amd after receiving a heavy blow in the skull (now don't say that in memento the killer had a different motive for attack (than ghajini)thats not a matter of concern here )

apart from the theme it also steals key narrative props OR screenplay elements like use tattoos, Polaroid pics ............

regarding the hard-work the director has put

i am actually fed-up with typing this ,so here are some posts about the true making of ghajini

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449951/board/thread/30446552

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1166100/board/nest/97304863

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1166100/board/thread/110723645

"what the *beep* have you done lately ?"
NOTHING ,JUST A PENCIL MAGIC TRICK

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[–] Arun_N 16 years ago

SPOILERS

here we go again

first have you "WATCHED MEMENTO FULLY" or are you posting here after hearing about it from someone or reading about in imdb

how do you even think that origin of A.M.D is different

both Lenny (in memento) and sanjay ramaswamy (ghajini) experience amd after receiving a heavy blow in the skull (now don't say that in memento the killer had a different motive for attack (than ghajini)thats not a matter of concern here )

apart from the theme it also steals key narrative props OR screenplay elements like use tattoos, Polaroid pics ............

regarding the hard-work the director has put

i am actually fed-up with typing this ,so here are some posts about the true making of ghajini

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449951/board/thread/30446552

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1166100/board/nest/97304863

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1166100/board/thread/110723645

Firstly,stop using so much whitspace in your comment to make it look lengthy and thoughtful,it doesn't work.
Secondly,if your fed up with replying to people then come back when you've really got something to say rather than pointing to a bunch of threads.I've read these threads before and nowhere did I find a post related to the making of Ghajini or how much hard work the director has put.
And

both Lenny (in memento) and sanjay ramaswamy (ghajini) experience amd after receiving a heavy blow in the skull (now don't say that in memento the killer had a different motive for attack (than ghajini)thats not a matter of concern here )

You have to realize why I mentioned that too is because there are a lot of trolls here who haven't watched Ghajini,probably haven't watched Memento either,and go on trolling the Ghajini threads calling it a REMAKE of Memento and a bad one at that.
On deriving inspiration I've already replied to a thread you started here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449951/board/nest/115415711

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[–] romeorammohan 16 years ago

Firstly,stop using so much whitspace in your comment to make it look lengthy and thoughtful,it doesn't work.
Secondly,if your fed up with replying to people then come back when you've really got something to say rather than pointing to a bunch of threads.I've read these threads before and nowhere did I find a post related to the making of Ghajini or how much hard work the director has put.
And

to advice someone you should stop being so arrogant in your tone ,besides don't come up with pointless statements( BTW,what the *beep* is whitspace )

it was hardly a three line space and i used it because, you seem to have trouble comprehending my previous posts which were normally spaced and also to indicate "THE LINKS"

i was fed up not with general typing but was fed up with people like you superficially defending crappy movies and there is no use in posting for people who won't understand them and also its more sensible, to QUOTE " already discussed posts if needed

also those links don't give info on the actual making but rather indicate the multitudes of plagiarism present in its making

BTW ,you won't find posts regarding the directors hard-work in ghajini because ,there is nothing much

You have to realize why I mentioned that too is because there are a lot of trolls here who haven't watched Ghajini,probably haven't watched Memento either,and go on trolling the Ghajini threads calling it a REMAKE of Memento and a bad one at that.
On deriving inspiration I've already replied to a thread you started here

well that just doesn't give you the right to post farce and imaginative comments about the films

regarding your post on the other thread well you need to stop ,churning the same pointless posts and bringing up some crazy interpretations (more info is replied there )

"what the *beep* have you done lately ?"
NOTHING ,JUST A PENCIL MAGIC TRICK

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[–] Arun_N 16 years ago

Look,I wasn't being arrogant or anything,using too much space only makes it difficult to read and doesn't add substance to a post,as a matter of fact you should take a look at your own posts first to get a sense of how arrogance looks like.
And regarding my posts being farce or imaginative or "being some crazy interpretation" of Ghajini,well,this is just so ridiculous I won't even try and refute that.Anybody who has watched Ghajini can read my posts and decide for themselves whether I was lying about whats in this movie .

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[–] romeorammohan 16 years ago

I'll remind you of the thread's title

It takes a special kind of idiot to say Ghajini is Memento

so decide who's arrogant for yourself after seeing it

using too much space only makes it difficult to read and doesn't add substance to a post,
every one can advice ,but there is manner to do it- look at your reply again
besides there is no pointing in cramming up space it makes your post difficult to read ,also i explained only it was about 3 line space in the middle because the post contained some links to be emphasized

And regarding my posts being farce or imaginative or "being some crazy interpretation" of Ghajini,well,this is just so ridiculous I won't even try and refute that.Anybody who has watched Ghajini can read my posts and decide for themselves whether I was lying about whats in this movie .

don't use a subjective statement i made about one false fact you made up ( of the origin of disorders in both films being diffferent ) as a general statement to make you look innocent

besides you refuting a point you made is based on your capacity and correctness of it-so its up to you

finally don't just make excuse statements like " anyone who has watched can decide"

then whats the intention of you starting a thread

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only in the anticipation of it

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[–] Arun_N 16 years ago

I'll remind you of the thread's title
It takes a special kind of idiot to say Ghajini is Memento

The thread title is in response to the several misleading threads in the Ghajini forums where several people who haven't watched at least one of the films talk about how Ghajini IS Memento when its not.I believe only an idiot or a troll would do this.

don't use a subjective statement i made about one false fact you made up ( of the origin of disorders in both films being diffferent ) as a general statement to make you look innocent besides you refuting a point you made is based on your capacity and correctness of it-so its up to you finally don't just make excuse statements like " anyone who has watched can decide" then whats the intention of you starting a thread

The intention of this thread is very clear from the title and the first post itself and I only made a 4 line post and you could have quoted the part you disagree with(for me to refute) but when you simply dismiss it as being farce and imaginative what am I supposed to refute,I will just leave it there for anybody reading this thread to decide.
But now that you mentioned it in your next post(again)

false fact you made up ( of the origin of disorders in both films being diffferent )

I should have replied to this earlier itself but
*Spoilers*
In Memento the lead character recounts how there is a burglary at his home and they rape and murder his wife while he gets hit in the head in the shuffle which leads to his condition.
In Ghajini the female lead happens to piss of a gangster by helping free girls he was to sell off as prostitutes and she even threatens to reveal him to the cops.This leads to her being murdered at her place and the lead character,who happens to be there,gets heavily injured attempting to save her.
The situation could have been avoided in case of Ghajini but you can't say the same for Memento.
Getting hit in the head is the most common way of acquiring any brain disorder including Anterograde amnesia.How is it even possible,more so in the case of comparing two films,that one doesn't take into account the situation which resulted in the character receiving the blow to the head.

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[–] romeorammohan 16 years ago

The thread title is in response to the several misleading threads in the Ghajini forums where several people who haven't watched at least one of the films talk about how Ghajini IS Memento when its not.I believe only an idiot or a troll would do this

there are only less than a dozen threads here in imdb and only a couple compare both films so if you can't stand that you should try replying them ....besides many people who posted here have watched both films have posted there read those posts clearly there ,i could only one or two so called troll posts

so don't start thread abusing people based on your view about them just because they didn't like what you did ...thats just proves your post to be a fan-boyish one

I should have replied to this earlier itself but
*Spoilers*
In Memento the lead character recounts how there is a burglary at his home and they rape and murder his wife while he gets hit in the head in the shuffle which leads to his condition.
In Ghajini the female lead happens to piss of a gangster by helping free girls he was to sell off as prostitutes and she even threatens to reveal him to the cops.This leads to her being murdered at her place and the lead character,who happens to be there,gets heavily injured attempting to save her.
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see this what i mentioned the origin of disorder is the same (i.e injury to the head).its the situation that is a "little" different (you never mentioned situation but only the origin )

The situation could have been avoided in case of Ghajini but you can't say the same for Memento.
Getting hit in the head is the most common way of acquiring any brain disorder including Anterograde amnesia.How is it even possible,more so in the case of comparing two films,that one doesn't take into account the situation which resulted in the character receiving the blow to the head.

yup finally your post falls apart -if the origin was needed so much -then using its consequence was never needed-"they just wanted to make a love story but used MEMENTO's concept to sell it.

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[–] rohonnag 15 years ago

sanjay gupta copied old boy not ong bak!

lol, also ghajini is not momento, not even close

just some ideas have been lifted, some concepts used

even the original producers will be hard pressed to call it a copy right issue!

memory loss isnt their copyright after all

Why...So..Serious? Let's put a smile on that face of yours!

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[–] sharath_kulal 15 years ago

how about renaming the thread to
"it takes a special kind of idiot to say Ghajini is NOT Mememto."

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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

lol

** SPOILER ALERT **

Ghajini is what Memento would be if it was made for the Indian audience. The flashback of the d-day murder of wife/girlfriend is the same. Tattoos are almost the same, he shaves his thigh and makes a tattoo. Same type of camera, shaking photo in initial murder scene.

Memento, if not for the forward/backwards scenes makes a very stupid story with no end. The movie is good because of the concept of its presentation more than its actual content, which makes the simple storyline into a suspense thriller.

Ghajini improves on the story and gives it a good-guy killing bad-guy ending. Thus, the suspense that Memento has is never in Ghajini. There is a known baddie, whose face is known to the protagonist. So there is a bad-guy.

In Memento, the audience is left to wonder whether the real bad guy has been killed or not. You get the impression that the protagonist keeps killing people in a cycle because he forgets that he has already killed the supposed bad guy.

However, if you skip the regular melodrama and take away all songs, I can say Ghajini is by far one of the best filmed movies, much better than regular Bollywood fare. And I am not South Indian, btw...

And talking of copies, there is even a copy of an Amelie scene - Asin taking the old blind man to the stop and telling him what's happening on the way.

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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

lol

** SPOILER ALERT **

Ghajini is what Memento would be if it was made for the Indian audience. The flashback of the d-day murder of wife/girlfriend is the same. Tattoos are almost the same, he shaves his thigh and makes a tattoo. Same type of camera, shaking photo in initial murder scene.

Memento, if not for the forward/backwards scenes, makes a very simple and stupid story with no end. The movie is good because of the concept of its presentation more than its actual content, which makes the simple storyline into a suspense thriller. The only steady character is the protagonist. You have no idea who the other characters really are. The audience is left to wonder whether the real bad guy has been killed or not. You get the impression that the protagonist keeps killing people in a cycle because he forgets that he has already killed the supposed bad guy.

Ghajini improves on the story and gives it a good-guy killing bad-guy ending. Thus, the suspense that Memento has is never in Ghajini. There is a known baddie, whose face is known to the protagonist. So there is a bad-guy.

However, if you skip the regular melodrama, over the top matrixish dishum action and take away all songs, I can say Ghajini is one of the best filmed and acted movies, much better than regular Bollywood fare. And I am not South Indian, btw...

And talking of copies, there is even a copy of an Amelie scene - Asin taking the old blind man to the stop and telling him what's happening on the way.

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

Memento, if not for the forward/backwards scenes, makes a very simple and stupid story with no end.

for god's sake watch and understand the movie the movie first and then comment ,memento has one the most cleverest endings in cinematic history ....yup

The movie is good because of the concept of its presentation more than its actual content, which makes the simple storyline into a suspense thriller

you seem to just watch and enjoy a movie superficially ,memento has a content that is quite brilliant and the presentation just improves on it ,you have got it the other way around

Ghajini improves on the story and gives it a good-guy killing bad-guy ending. Thus, the suspense that Memento has is never in Ghajini. There is a known baddie, whose face is known to the protagonist. So there is a bad-guy.
so what are you trying to say ,a film should have a gud guy bad guy theme and sacrifice the plot even if it seems illogical

However, if you skip the regular melodrama, over the top matrixish dishum action and take away all songs, I can say Ghajini is one of the best filmed and acted movies, much better than regular Bollywood fare

thats like skipping 70 % of the movie ,whats then left of it

There is no terror in the bang-
only in the anticipation of it

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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

ok romeorammohan

tell me what is clever about memento ending.

i have the divx movie and have seen it a number of times. i rate it 10/10, but i maintain that if put in chrono order, it is a simple story with a regular "let the audience think about" ending.

let out all your spoilers.

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[–] cousyrules1 15 years ago

'i have the divx movie and have seen it a number of times. i rate it 10/10, but i maintain that if put in chrono order, it is a simple story with a regular "let the audience think about" ending.'

Have you heard of the terms: "Think outside the box" or "have an open mind"

The movie isnt simple. You are.

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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

Have you heard of the terms: "Think outside the box" or "have an open mind"

The movie isnt simple. You are.

Think outside the box. You need not see a movie from one perspective. Memento is a movie that can be seen from multiple perspectives. When put in chrono order, it is a simple storyline.

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[–] Inmateshardstyle 15 years ago

Just because the protagonist gets hit on the head in memento and has a memory loss, which also happens in Gajhni, does not equate to a rip off or copy, as there has been several films before memento had the same outcome, for example in Sadma Sridevi has an accident and has a head injury which results to her memory loss, or there is countless old hindi films where in an action scenes got hit on the head by a rod by the goons, and they lose their memory. So does that mean memento has copied this idea of losing memory from head injury from old hindi films??? I read the plot of Ghajni and memento, though i haven't watched either of them, the plot summary gives a different plot summary.

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[–] Inmateshardstyle 15 years ago

No I never denied it doesn't have similarity, it does have similarities, but the situation, and the actual story is quite different, I read the plot summary for both films.

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

No denied it doesn't have similarity, it does have similarities, but the situation, and the actual story is quite different, I read the plot summary for both films.

way to go-plot summary level -LOL

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

for example in Sadma Sridevi has an accident and has a head injury which results to her memory loss, or there is countless old hindi films where in an action scenes got hit on the head by a rod by the goons, and they lose their memory. So does that mean memento has copied this idea of losing memory from head injury from old hindi films??? I read the plot of Ghajni and memento, though i haven't watched either of them, the plot summary gives a different plot summary.

you got answers to this post at ICB alredy

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

tell me what is clever about memento ending.

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ok if you want it at a superficial level -there is a twist whichis as follows

The twist in the film is that at the end, no matter what the truth is, Leonard believes that Teddy is not the 2nd attacker. If Leonard believed that Teddy were the 2nd attacker, he would kill him then and there. Even though he does not believe Teddy is the 2nd attacker (whether he is or not) he still decides to set him up. Leonard even indicates in the voice-over before setting up Teddy that he does not even think the Teddy could be the 2nd attacker: "You think I just want another puzzle to solve? Another John G to look for? You're a John G. So you can be my John G. Do I lie to myself to be happy? In your case, Teddy, yes, I will"

but if you at a deeper level -(ie analysing how things happened then "what" happened) the end still gives a lot to think and decide about the nature and existence of the key characters

like "s Teddy lying/truthful? How did Leonard's wife die? Was there a 2nd attacker? Is Teddy the 2nd attacker? is sammy jankis real ?....etc....and you ill get all those answered ofter a quite an amount of analysis

only end can you realize that how lenny confuses his life with sammy (to some extent only )[/spoiler}
[spoiler]besides you can also realizes that lenny was being used ( by natalie,teddy and eventually by him)

i have the divx movie and have seen it a number of times.

fine ...but haven't seen you around at memento's board ...any one has seen it many times can be helpful in clearing others doubts (provided its a real fact and you have understood at a deeper level )rather than wasting here alone

i rate it 10/10, but i maintain that if put in chrono order, it is a simple story with a regular "let the audience think about" ending

agreed that the movie is so amazing at a chrono level.....because only the "non-linear " construction lets you feel lenny's character literally

but having said that doesn't mean its "simple" - because it still keeps you engaged ,you still realise many of the reason(S) behind each character only towards the end , about the questions mentiones you can "at-max" around two before the end ,but still only at around the middle and with a good analysis also

btw i feel , the film-noir look gets a little better only on the "chrono" order

to put it simple -the chrono version is very simple if you are looking for something dramatic at the end (like a twist)

but if you appreciate "how" it happens rather than "what" happens ( which is key to appreciate any film) the chrono version is still good

There is no terror in the bang-
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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

>> so what are you trying to say ,a film should have a gud guy bad guy theme and sacrifice the plot even if it seems illogical

From my perspective, the Indian audience would never figure out a story like Memento. Forget India, Memento wasn't a blockbuster anywhere - it was confusing to many who saw it around the world. it made a lot more than it cost to produce though, because a lot of people went to see it 2-3 times to figure it out. It later had good DVD sales.

What I am trying to say is that, for Ghajini to work at the Indian box office, it was mandatory to improve on the Memento storyline, add a bad-guy good-guy line and a start and ending. When I use the word "improve", it is from the perspective of the market here. You may also call it "dumbed-down" from the original story+presentation standpoint.

>> thats like skipping 70 % of the movie ,whats then left of it
I saw the 3 hr movie in 2 hrs by fast forwarding some action scenes and songs, so i skipped like 30%.

now, i don't know you, but the general rule is if you just hate any genre or region movie, you won't be a level critic. so if you hate all indianwood fare, its no point arguing with you

but i will wait to see what is brilliant about memento ending. people just think the ending is brilliant because of the way the story is presented.

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

From my perspective, the Indian audience would never figure out a story like Memento.

ok when are people gonna stop this siht-indians can't understand such a movie

its a wide proven fact that indians have a better IQ than many western countries on average , but when it comes to cinema i don't understand why many tolerate they say that " we have less understanding capacity"

just get to any social networking site in India just see how many interesting debates are going on about memento-,,even in my college we have wider fan-base for memento

Forget India, Memento wasn't a blockbuster anywhere - it was confusing to many who saw it around the world. it made a lot more than it cost to produce though, because a lot of people went to see it 2-3 times to figure it out. It later had good DVD sales.

ok i get you now -you judge films based on their box-office value, so all your point is if a movie makes money then its good -if it has a worked out plot its bad

memento is not a blockbuster because its an independent film (limited budget, not because of people's ability to understand as you say )-besides it was very much profitable

anyway the profit factor merely proves anything about the goodness of the movie

btw -understand the difference between not getting a movie and having few doubts on it ...the later part occurs with many movies....and people around the world had doubts on the morality of the lead character ( which you see at faq's of memento board)

What I am trying to say is that, for Ghajini to work at the Indian box office, it was mandatory to improve on the Memento storyline, add a bad-guy good-guy line and a start and ending. When I use the word "improve", it is from the perspective of the market here. You may also call it "dumbed-down" from the original story+presentation standpoint.

but my fact is if you want to make MONEY why disgrace a beauty like memento -just make the stupid masala movies people like you will anyway see them

now, i don't know you, but the general rule is if you just hate any genre or region movie, you won't be a level critic. so if you hate all indianwood fare, its no point arguing with you

wow-how did you figure that genius...i never stated that i hate a genre ( but i hate movies which are
done badly )

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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

when are people gonna stop this siht-indians can't understand such a movie
its a wide proven fact that indians have a better IQ than many western countries on average , but when it comes to cinema i don't understand why many tolerate they say that " we have less understanding capacity"
you fail to see thru your own argument - indians are blindly copying movies from all over the world and living in denial

you judge films based on their box-office value
the point was to indicate that memento, being an intelligently made film, had less viewership. of course, you can now claim and it goes on that there are more dumb people in the world

memento is not a blockbuster because its an independent film (limited budget, not because of people's ability to understand as you say )-besides it was very much profitable
profitability is a different issue. if the movie was made with a million and made 2 million it was highly profitable. but if a movie was made with 10 million and made 9 million it was a b-o flop because it didnt make money. my point on b-o values is in terms of ghajini making money. forget the 'copy' idea - which is your bone of contention - and it is a well made s.indian movie. tell me how many s.indian b-o hit movies that were as well made as ghajini.

why disgrace a beauty like memento
see, you're just p*d that memento was copied and that puts a drape over your eyes when you talk about ghajini. and because most indian movies are copied, you can never be a balanced critic.

even in my college we have wider fan-base for memento
still in college?
amateur
end of argument
good luck in life!

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

you fail to see thru your own argument - indians are blindly copying movies from all over the world and living in denial

wake up stupid -there are far many gems produced every year here -"there is some thing called regional cinema outside crappy blockbusters"-which morons like you with an IQ less 70 than can hardly understand

the point was to indicate that memento, being an intelligently made film, had less viewership. of course, you can now claim and it goes on that there are more dumb people in the world

so whats the point ,a movie has to be released in larger arena to be good!-then by your definition "spiderman-3" is the best movie ever ha ?????

i repeat once again " movie are not judged based on the scale of budget or viewer-ship" -if you can't understand that -then you are not fit for good cinema

profitability is a different issue. if the movie was made with a million and made 2 million it was highly profitable. but if a movie was made with 10 million and made 9 million it was a b-o flop because it didnt make money

see you are all over the place-talk some thing that makes sense to this argument
. my point on b-o values is in terms of ghajini making money. forget the 'copy' idea - which is your bone of contention - and it is a well made s.indian movie. tell me how many s.indian b-o hit movies that were as well made as ghajini

how many times to repeat " a south indian block buster will never look good in terms of good cinema" forgot south indian its quite paradoxical for a film to be a block-buster and to be good (only a few films have excelled in both)

but if you are saying that ghajini is the best s.indian bb you are still wrong , i say even "sivaji" was better than this because it had very little plot holes and atleast some originality ( ghajini has one of the worst plot holes ever)

see, you're just p*d that memento was copied and that puts a drape over your eyes when you talk about ghajini. and because most indian movies are copied, you can never be a balanced critic

not alone that but ghajini has a lot of scences copied from various films - those bstards even ripped of the tile graphics from an another film

apart the "copied" factor , a lot of loop holes,plot holes make this a pile of *beep* A VERY BAD MOVIE

still in college?
amateur
end of argument
good luck in life!

nice try baby-better luck next time -( p.s.try quoting those spelling mistakes )

bet you're a "BIG" failure in life too....

talk like some-one with balls....B.A.L.L.S

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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

wake up stupid -there are far many gems produced every year here -"there is some thing called regional cinema outside crappy blockbusters"-which morons like you with an IQ less 70 than can hardly understand
name 10 without searching the net

its obvious u didnt like the movie, so just stfu

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

name 10 without searching the net

ok kid .....malli,halo, theeviravathi,befoe the rains(tecnicallly its indian),tahaan,firaoq,welcomr to sajnapur,Dombivli Fest,kaanchivaram,salaam bombay (eventually got fame in main steram and oscar nominated), veedu( a balu mahendra master piece)...... i can add on ........

i have watched them and you can buy 2 of them at a price lesser then watching your crappy blockbusters ..... so try at least buying them ......

its obvious u didnt like the movie, so just stfu

typical fan-boy attitude.....i have seen a lot like you here at imdb.... too bad these forums are for all kind of posts.....so why don't take thump out of your a%s and go back to watchin your crappy blockbusters
There is no terror in the bang-
only in the anticipation of it

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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

and he just keeps barking...

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

and he just keeps barking...

ha ha nice try again..

why don't you just try to respond sensibly and appropriately (for at least once)....

P.S. you just proved my claim , you won't understand anything regarding "good regional cinema "

anyway lets hope that you understand them the day you grow up......

don't run away ,still waiting for you at memento's board ( seen at least once ?)

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

lol, also ghajini is not momento, not even close

just some ideas have been lifted, some concepts used

even the original producers will be hard pressed to call it a copy right issue!

memory loss isnt their copyright after all

ok here we go again ,,,how long are you going to defend the stupid movie just be saying that it only uses A.M.D concept,then what about the use of plot devices like polaroids,tatoos etc (though they don't match with the plot ) ...
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[–] mayank_t2 15 years ago

it was fun, reading this thread..

my opinon :
romeorammohan, you were right while answering rockyarunx, but nenaad7 was correct in (atleast) his first post.

btw, i liked lists in your biography.

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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

thanks, mayank... some people have one track mind

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

my opinon :
romeorammohan, you were right while answering rockyarunx, but nenaad7 was correct in (atleast) his first post.
every-one is welcome to share theirs -makes better arguemnt with many views

but i don't get what what you meant by his first post., coz i just replied to his first post only now

btw, i liked lists in your biography
thank you , but its still not complete though ,have to see a lot more

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[–] Arun_N 15 years ago

how long are you going to defend the stupid movie just be saying that it only uses A.M.D concept,then what about the use of plot devices like polaroids,tatoos etc (though they don't match with the plot ) ...

As long as people call it a ripoff only because they didn't like the movie which in turn becomes reason enough to look past the obvious that only the usp of short term memory loss was added to a typical masala entertainer.

I understand that every person has different tastes and for some reason or other don't like this movie but it beats me how somebody wouldn't like anything from this movie.I liked the Asin character,the jokes,some songs and the background music which was more that enough to get past the plot holes and incorrect interpretation of anterograde amnesia.

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

As long as people call it a ripoff only because they didn't like the movie which in turn becomes reason enough to look past the obvious that only the usp of short term memory loss was added to a typical masala entertainer.

i would have been decent enough-provide to they use and lone .....but using the the same plot devices and still making it bad is just *beep* ( the polaroids and tatooos don't even fit to the plot ,and still there claims that it was "thought out" by the writers )

I understand that every person has different tastes and for some reason or other don't like this movie but it beats me how somebody wouldn't like anything from this movie.I liked the Asin character,.

regarding asin's character -its just a balatant rip-off of amelie's so nope it won't work......( note here i am not just referring to scene but the characterization )

the jokes,some songs and the background music which was more that enough to get past the plot holes and incorrect interpretation of anterograde amnesia

i never said that ghajini sucks in terms of "entertainment factor" ( even if you don't like the songs,fights- one can still pass time by making of fun those plot holes and THe stupid climax ) , but fails on the scale of " good and original cinema"

but sating that a couple of funny scenes and crazy fights is enough to forget the plot failures will be just "RIDICULOUS"
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[–] Arun_N 15 years ago

the polaroids and tatooos don't even fit to the plot ,and still there claims that it was "thought out" by the writers

Where did they claim this?Link?If they did then shame on them.

regarding asin's character -its just a balatant rip-off of amelie's so nope it won't work......( note here i am not just referring to scene but the characterization )

If one starts thinking along this line then pretty much every movie,not just from bollywood,is in some way or the other a rip-off.

even if you don't like the songs,fights- one can still pass time by making of fun those plot holes and THe stupid climax

Which what you have been busy doing lately

but sating that a couple of funny scenes and crazy fights is enough to forget the plot failures will be just "RIDICULOUS"

Not so ridiculous when you consider bollywood/kollywood in general and in this particular movie where the intention was not an accurate representation of the memory disorder.

but fails on the scale of " good and original cinema"

Good and original cinema is very very relative and varies obviously depending upon how much and importantly how diverse ones cinema viewing experience is.
Somebody who has been watching only hollywood movies might find the song and dance numbers in bollywood to be unique and original.

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

Where did they claim this?Link?If they did then shame on them.

just go to aamir khan's official blog .....he is defending with some crazy facts

btw some excerpts from your previous post
The only concept from Memento used in Ghajini was the memory disorder.You can't predict the outcomes in on movie having watched the other.Apart from the tattoos thing everything else you pointed out was pretty much inevitable.Think about it,what would a person who can't create new memories do or be advised by doctors to do?Find a reasonable substitute,instant photographs,notes etc.

If one starts thinking along this line then pretty much every movie,not just from bollywood,is in some way or the other a rip-off.

don't escape with a general statement be specific, i mentioned that even there is a "key" scene (that too which portrays the character in a pucca manner) too indicate the "characterization" steal

Which what you have been busy doing lately

no choice ,too many fan-boys , have to educate them ...besides its too much fun

Not so ridiculous when you consider bollywood/kollywood in general and in this particular movie where the intention was not an accurate representation of the memory disorder.

don't mix the failure of this film to denote bollywood/ kollywood 's ability to make a clever story-it is a great atrocity against the good artists we have there

Good and original cinema is very very relative and varies obviously depending upon how much and importantly how diverse ones cinema viewing experience is.

nope good cinema is pretty much general and functions on a simpler formula -"good plan +good execution, good performance"... you need not watch many masterpieces to appreciate good cinema , you just need common sense and little IQ

Somebody who has been watching only hollywood movies might find the song and dance numbers in bollywood to be unique and original.

no no ..... the sound of music, singin in the rain , some like it hot- musicals have been used all over the world.....

but doesn't mean that songs and music weren't mastered by indians , our cinema had and to some "extent have now" used music to develop story-telling

its just because of the greed ,songs have lost all their beauty now and are just viewed as for "box -offfice " value

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[–] Arun_N 15 years ago

btw some excerpts from your previous post

I know what I posted,what I want to see is what Aamir Khan posted which turns out be a dead link.

don't mix the failure of this film to denote bollywood/ kollywood 's ability to make a clever story-it is a great atrocity against the good artists we have there
don't mix the failure of this film to denote bollywood/ kollywood 's ability to make a clever story-it is a great atrocity against the good artists we have there

Clearly you live in a totally different world.Ghajini was a major blockbuster and as far as the makers are concerned they satisfied a huge target audience,one which you may not be part of and again your putting words in mouth,things I never said or never meant.
good plan +good execution, good performance is what they gave to the audience and they accepted it.What may be good for some is boring for others who already seen something along the same lines and bad too for some others for reasons known only to them.Its all relative.

no no ..... the sound of music, singin in the rain , some like it hot- musicals have been used all over the world.....

Wow! And how many people in the U.S. today do you think have watched those movies and even if some did how many would be stupid enough to call bollywood "music fests" as unoriginal citing the above mentioned handful of movies.

but doesn't mean that songs and music were mastered by indians , our cinema had and to some "extent have now" used music to develop story-telling

its just because of the greed ,songs have lost all their beauty now and are just viewed as for "box -offfice " value

Even if you disagree to the fact that music and songs were used in Bollywood well before the Sound of music etc you clearly have to be a troll to say even after almost a century of songs in movies and pretty much every movie,bollywood isn't the outright master in terms of sending a message or feeling through songs.
Although there were movies with awful songs back then too only very recently,in he last 5-10 years has the the number of nonsensical ones outnumbered the good ones but that doesn't change anything.

its just a superlative analysis.....but look at the character from a deeper perspective , amelie's feel for her father's pride lost and asin's attitude in getting "the car"
if you can't understand all in analysis perspective, a simpler statement- the key scene which depecits the "real inside" of a character is copied

What the...the more you post the more about you is revealed and and revealed along with that is your method of analysis in general.
In a very broad sense to each their own one can say,if this mode of thinking helps you find movies you like then good for you but realize that what would be a perfectly straight way of thinking for you may be insane for others.

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

I know what I posted,what I want to see is what Aamir Khan posted which turns out be a dead link.

aamrin khan's post http://www.lagaandvd.com/blog.php?topicid=33 ( we have a debate on tis at ghajini 2008 board

Clearly you live in a totally different world.Ghajini was a major blockbuster and as far as the makers are concerned they satisfied a huge target audience,one which you may not be part of and again your putting words in mouth,things I never said or never meant

your post once again Not so ridiculous when you consider bollywood/kollywood in general and in this particular movie ....you should have used blobkbusters in general....general is something which applies to everyone in the feild......

good plan +good execution, good performance is what they gave to the audience and they accepted it.What may be good for some is boring for others who already seen something along the same lines and bad too for some others for reasons known only to them.Its all rela

sorry that doesnt make sense...ghajini immaterial of "some "people liking it- is still bad cinema...
"GOOD" cinema is not relative its constant and independent of how many people liked/not-liked it ....

only the "entertainment " factor is relative ...so be clearer in what you say....
Wow! And how many people in the U.S. today do you think have watched those movies and even if some did how many would be stupid enough to call bollywood "music fests" as unoriginal citing the above mentioned handful of movies.

so whats the point you are trying to make....both those musicals are celebrated and have a a good number of viewers ....
and besides their view on films as music fests depends on what films they have watched....if they were shown the crappy blockbusters(instead of the good ones) as example of Indian cinema (which is mostly happening) then the blame is only on us

Even if you disagree to the fact that music and songs were used in Bollywood well before the Sound of music etc you clearly have to be a troll to say even after almost a century of songs in movies and pretty much every movie,bollywood isn't the outright master in terms of sending a message or feeling through songs.

the more you post the more about you is revealed and and revealed along with that is your method of analysis in general. ...

thats what it should be like.....

In a very broad sense to each their own one can say,if this mode of thinking helps you find movies you like then good for you but realize that what would be a perfectly straight way of thinking for you may be insane for others.

not others exactly - at most only three i would say

sorry a type error there its was supposed to be a weren't ...i have rectified it now.... if you don't believe ,just look the sentence following the word "WERE" , doesn't it contradict it....

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[–] Arun_N 15 years ago

"GOOD" cinema is not relative its constant and independent of how many people liked/not-liked it ....

And what is this universally accepted constant if I may ask?
There is no such thing,you have a set of criteria and tastes,maybe you acquired those from listening to other people who could have been actors or directors but the fact is that constant for you is not the same for everybody.

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

And what is this universally accepted constant if I may ask?

its a very simple formula
originality in treatment, good plot, good acting,,matching dailogues& screenplay ...(ghajini hardly has them)...if a film satisfies all these then it will surely be good .....how to judge these simple you just need common sense ...

There is no such thing,you have a set of criteria and tastes,maybe you acquired those from listening to other people who could have been actors or directors but the fact is that constant for you is not the same for everybody.
tastes are not set i repeat once again....only good cinema is fixed ...and no i dont listen to actors are directors because they can mislead many will agree that their cinema is good though its crap(like murugadoss& aamir khan)

click this
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048473/

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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

regarding asin's character -its just a balatant rip-off of amelie's so nope it won't work......( note here i am not just referring to scene but the characterization )
blatant? asin is supertalkative, amelie is superquiet
the only thing in common is that scene ripoff and the fact that they like to help other helpless people. even then amelie does it without the others knowing about it whereas asin does it in public.
romeo has got so much hate for this movie.

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[–] Inmateshardstyle 15 years ago

Romeo just clear off

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

Romeo just clear off

sir you are a genius, most thought out reply

don't be angry just because i exposed your intelligence level regarding A.M.D ( relax and learn about it)

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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

its good to have an ignore filter
finally made use of it :)
anyone who has 2001: a space odyssey in top 5 needs to have their head examined
peace

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

anyone who has 2001: a space odyssey in top 5 needs to have their head examined

i am relieved that you got the spelling correct at least

its deals a lot of ethics, science and good taste for art ( something way too far from your "block-buster" approach)

with a movie taste that depreciates a good plot for the sake entertainment , you won't probably even understand the "trailer" for a Kubrick film in your life -time

its good to have an ignore filter
finally made use of it :)

hmm.... height of escapism

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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

counldn't resist a peek and reply ;)

i like dr. strangelove (or how ...) btw, but maybe that is because of sellers

spartacus was ok, a bit long and then they tried to ape ben hur because kirk douglas was p*d off that he wasn't cast there

a clockwork orange was weird, but i can see the good results coming into movies like trainspotting or requiem for a dream

2001: a space odyssey is a visual treat, the overall concept is nice, but it is way too slow. its like watching a documentary in imax. i prefer watching 'beyond the infinite..' part sync'd to pink floyd's 'echoes'. you should try it one day - sync'd torrents are available.

eyes wide shut is bull

full metal jacket is a to see

btw, i found your greatest post here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1241195/board/thread/108917574?d=109587547 &p=1#109587547

" in imdb in every movie board one a#s hole will claim that it is crap"

how do you feel being the a#s hole here?

btw, i first posted here because when i started watching ghajini, i expected a memento copy, but was pleasantly surprised. it is unfortunate that you were not pleasantly surprised. which movie did you see first? memento or ghajini?

i hope you stop attacking people and attack the subject on hand. it will help you in life.

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

counldn't resist a peek and reply ;)

,btw, i found your greatest post here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1241195/board/thread/108917574?d=109587547 &p=1#109587547

" in imdb in every movie board one a#s hole will claim that it is crap"

how do you feel being the a#s hole here?

ha ha - so desperate aren't you !!!! (searching through all the previous posts ,hmm somebody's lost their nerve ...)

regarding that post yes i am an A#s-hole , but only for the "FANBOYS" of ghajini who think its "GOOD and ORIGINAL" (????)

i like dr. strangelove (or how ...) btw, but maybe that is because of sellers

spartacus was ok, a bit long and then they tried to ape ben hur because kirk douglas was p*d off that he wasn't cast there

a clockwork orange was weird, but i can see the good results coming into movies like trainspotting or requiem for a dream

2001: a space odyssey is a visual treat, the overall concept is nice, but it is way too slow. its like watching a documentary in imax. i prefer watching 'beyond the infinite..' part sync'd to pink floyd's 'echoes'. you should try it one day - sync'd torrents are available.

eyes wide shut is bull

full metal jacket is a to see

ok good to see posts about some good movies for the first time

i would start with 2001 : i find that many people don't like it usually because of its pacing( even saw a post hating i due to the "INTERMISSION" presence at its board ) , i think its due to people watching "SCI-FICTION" as a some fast paced stuff and expecting something similar out of 2001(may be due to starwars to some extent) , but i would say the pacing is apt primarily because of what the film "INTENDS TO SHOW" about space (WHICH IS EXACT) and also one needed to feel "HAL" controls and powers , which explains the slow but mature "LIP_READING" and "hibernating, repair" scenes , i would say that only due its pacing the film is more accurate on its portrayal about the " lonely & true " nature of space

ACWO- i would say is were kubrick got himself into INDIA (through the "BHGAVAD-GITA") with a good use of the principle of karma , its witty at times like the singin in the rain at times , but later gets darker and darker , a bold movie

haven't seen SPATACUS, LOLITA , BARY LYNDON THOUGH ...could talk about the rest,but it would be better at kubrick board some-day.......

which movie did you see first? memento or ghajini?

i would say which you watch first hardly matters, i was primarily drawn into MEMENTO after watching ghajini(the best that i got from it) mainly due to the fact that A.M.D was never really dealt in ghajini, those tattoos and Polaroids never fitted into the movie,and also there were many errors in the 15-minute stuff too, so got memento and i was mesmerized by it accurate description of amd

btw, i first posted here because when i started watching ghajini, i expected a memento copy, but was pleasantly surprised. it is unfortunate that you were not pleasantly surprised.

i fail to see what were you surprised about , i think of two reasons 1. THE PLOT
2.THE songs, dances fights

now
1. THE PLOT- this won't make sense because its non-sense after watching memento

2.THE songs, dances fights- this won't fit too- coz you said you skipped them

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[–] neenad7 15 years ago

i wanted to know whether you were a troll, seems like you are not

what makes sense to you doesn't make sense to everybody.

you are into fine details too much. do you study medicine or motion pictures? if not, you need to get a life

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

what makes sense to you doesn't make sense to everybody

not everybody may for one or two....even in this board some agree with me....

you are into fine details too much. do you study medicine or motion pictures?

neither - engineering it needs a lot of fine details....

if not, you need to get a life

nope already got a good one!!

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[–] romeorammohan 15 years ago

blatant? asin is supertalkative, amelie is superquiet

its just a superlative analysis.....but look at the character from a deeper perspective , amelie's feel for her father's pride lost and asin's attitude in getting "the car"

if you can't understand all in analysis perspective, a simpler statement- the key scene which depecits the "real inside" of a character is copied

the only thing in common is that scene ripoff and the fact that they like to help other helpless people. even then amelie does it without the others knowing about it whereas asin does it in public.

wo wo....were did you make that up..... both don't help based whether people notice or not

you have confused the "old man " in phone booth scene with "the blind man" ( you better re watch Amelie )

both help the blind man cross the street in a clean public view ....

P.S. regarding the old man , Amelie doesn't show up because it may affect the old man's reaction to the box and so only she remains hidden and enjoys his genuine child like outburst

romeo has got so much hate for this movie.

ha ha sorry pal -your favorite movie is bad

you are confusing the old
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[–] squiglio 15 years ago

I don't know what movie you were watching but watching Ghajini was quite embarassing. I couldn't believe a movie this big would so shamelessly rip off Memento. The Amelie rip-off scene was awful as well. How incredibly stupid do you have to be to not be able to create your own scene INSPIRED by what you see instead of shamelessly ripping it off. He didn't even rip Amelie's character of, that would have been to much work, instead he just has his character do a few things Amelie did......

I agree with people saying it was reworked to fit a different audience but that's not a big factor when rating the quality of the film. The fact it's for a (k/b)ollywood audience doesn't detract from the fact the plot was amazingly dumbed down to a linear bad guy kills g/f, good guy goes after bad guy plot. It tried to use flashbacks but it all just seemed pointless because the whole point of flashbacks/non-linear timing from the original is totally lost. I think (b/k)ollywood also has something to learn about genres. I think it's time they let the songs go in films that are attempting to be dark because it's hard to take something trying to be dark seriously when there are 5 minute song breaks that totally destroy the mood of the other scenes, every so often.

"Even if you disagree to the fact that music and songs were used in Bollywood well before the Sound of music etc you clearly have to be a troll to say even after almost a century of songs in movies and pretty much every movie,bollywood isn't the outright master in terms of sending a message or feeling through songs."

lol, if you hadn't noticed a buttload of non-Bollywood films use songs and even if they don't have music composed for the films. You will notice Soundtracks to pretty much every big movie coming out with music used from the film. The only difference is bollywood feels it necessary to actually take a break from the film and go to dream land where trippy stuff happens (not canon to the storyline) for the sake of the actors and actresses to lip-sync to a song that we can clearly see doesn't even sound like them.
You can say 'yeah but the songs are written specifically for the film' but really 99% of the songs can be used in a different film because the lyrics are only ever vaguely about love. And English/etc films have the backcatalog of like every song ever to use to set the mood.

To the guy who kept saying later on this thread that adding a bad guy plot was an "improvement". You really mean to say "severe dumbing down made to fit every bollywood cliche'".

btw keep it up Romeo...

...toy-like people make me boy-like...

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