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really..worst movie EVER!!and NONE of the 'historic facts' is true!!!


i can't believe it! it made me hate leo bullota and fiorello!!
it's a catasrophe.. some uneducated people may acctually belive that what happend in the movie is true.. a totally wrong interpretation of 2.ww history!!
ahh..

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it is true that is a very delicate theme and there are some inaccuracies: but denying that such things happened is an even greater lie!
the time has come now for having a "united memory" of the events of the italian eastern border, that takes in account all facts and all victims, from any ethinicty and fractions.
this movie, and the polemics arouind it, are the necessaries step for going into this direction.

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no i don't think so.. and i didn't deny anything, some italians and those who made tthis movie are trying to deny things!especially the fact that italy was a fascistic country during the war and that it was one of the countries that started that terrible war..this movie it's without a doubt a political propaganda, and it creates hate instead of friendship between the two countries. a positive thing would be to teach children in school EVRYTHING they need to know about ww2 history, it's true, that includes also ''foibe'' but i've heard that in italian schools they learn way too little about fascism, that caused so many horrors during the war. people need to know everything so that they can be able to make their own oppinion about things.this movie forces to peoples an oppinion through lies. i'm not saying that killing all those people was right, but war is war (including the post-war period..). slovenia addmited the war crimes they commited,(children in schools learn about them), germany did also and apologized to the world as well, italy didn't and i think that never will.but they should. instead they make movies like this one, and that is quite pathetic i think.

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Your supposition ("I have heard that in italian school they learn to little about fascism") is false.

Studentes in italy do extensively learn about fascism in school (in recent years it has been decided that the whole last year of history program at high school should be devoted to the XX century, due to the complexity of the "short century"). Almost every students reads "classic" antifascists authors as Ginzburg,Levi, Fenoglio, ecc.
Teachers in italy are traditionally left-orientated, so be sure they are not giving any discount to fascism..

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You wrote: no i don't think so.. and i didn't deny anything,

UHU!!
You did deny, in your first message title: <<NONE of the 'historic facts' is true!!!>>

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Well I liked the movie.
In every war, civilians are victims of one regime or the other, and it's true that italian people in this area were Tito's victims the same way that slavian people were italian fascism victims too. I mean, small people are not always responsible for the crimes that their regime has comitted. Admiting that the historical facts in the movie are true doesn't mean that good guys in this history are italians and the bad guys slavian people. But the film tells a history about a group of people there, it doesn't tell THE HISTORY. It is not a historical movie.
You guys better calm down... Love for everybody!

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I am interested in this topic.
Anyone can put a link to a website that explain about this?
Any book to recomend?

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Here we go again. Italians as innocent victims in WWII. It's a Bossi - Fini version of history. Needless to say, they both are fascist. And anyway, Italians haven't made worth movie since De Sica and Fellini. Benigni is making always the same movie, with different title.

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I see we have a great movie expert and a negationist here.

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binca,
I am old, very old, I was born in Fiume Italia. Our graves go back to the 13th century. No one denies the atrocities of WW2 by all sides but belive me the titini were animals, absolute breasts and they murdered people simply because there crime was being Italian. My Uncle is an infoibiato. for 60 years the truth was hidden now it is time that the first crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing occurred immediately after WW2 in Venezia Guilia are revealed to the world. DONT DENY IT. We the old ones remember and still bare the scares.
Good film or Bad film is not really an issue..the truth it tells is of the greater importance.

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I binca, I have studied fascism in school, you will be surprised to know that is a matter of study. since then I develop a very deep interest n the history of WW2 and read a lot about then,
just a couple of historic precision I have to do about your point, actually Italy did not started WW2, Italy was neutral for more than 1 year, while hitler was invading Poland and Benelux and cecoslovachia as well.
Italy had been a fascist country for 20 years, but since the early fascism the anti fascist movement had always been active, something that bring us to a civil war in the ending of ww2, this movement had been political bat also military. a Situation more similar to the occupied France, than to the totalitarianism of Germany.

by the way this is the opinion that Winston Churchill had of Mussolini
"Mr Mussolini is the best living chief of State." (Winston Churchill, 1926)

"if I was an italian, I am sure I'd join enthusiastically your victory against the corrupted passions of lenininsm, Italy gave us the antidote to the Russian poison"

"In this way the 21 years of Mussolini's dictatorship in Italy , in those years he saved the Italians from from comunism and he brought to a position in Europe that Italy never had before"

the same Winston Churchill that as general make thousand of ANZACs killed in Gallipoli for his stupid conduct of war operation
Probably ww2 history should be studied better from both the sides.
regards

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It actually happened, and I saw it. At the end of 1945. I was 15. and my dad was OZNA major in Koper. We lived there until 1948. My dad's job was to "interogate enemy elements" in the greater Koper (Capodistria) area. The "enemy elements" were fascists and their supporters - in the other words all members of the Italian comunity in Istra.

After my dad's "interogation" - or should I say "persuasion", the whole families were sacked to Italy. It is true that "black shirts" did a lot of atrocities since 1920's, and especialy during the war, but it is also true that OZNA forced Italians to leave their homes. I saw so many horrible things - beaten people, robbed homes, trucks loaded with people going north. I still remember my dad talking about "bandits" and "elements" they kicked out "where they belonged for goods".

Now, I don't intend to justify anyone - neither Slovenians nor Italians. It happened the way it did. I'm mere trying to tell that we shouldn't deny the history because we don't like it.

This film is rather bad, but sadly enough, this is not "a totally wrong interpretation of WW2 history".

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I was all open for a film about Italian civilian victims in the WWII, but not for a film in which fascist army is presented as good guys. No way. I have ancestors who were brutally murdered by the Italian fascists. They couldn't possibly have been the good guys. This film is just another excercise in the relativisation of hitory. What is next? "Good" Nazi SS soldiers terrorised by the "evil" Jews? Give me a break.

Not the mention the cheeseness of the film. The only good part of it was Dragan Bjelogrlic who plays the main evil partizan. I was cheering for him to get the kids.

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