inconceivable...


it is truly disturbing what goes on in our country's penal system -- i am not a horrible person, but these people are getting 3 squares a day and numerous other privileges -- and people complain about the national deficit...

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I agree. I admit I find the shows very interesting to watch, but I cant help rolling my eyes when some of the inmates whine about how they arent getting a 'fair' deal. ie: dont like the food, dont like their cells being searched, dont like being 'disrespected' etc. Its ridiculous - none of them are there for being upstanding members of society, so the gall of them feeling any kind of entitlement is mind boggling.


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It's disturbing to you that prisoners are being fed?

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Perhaps tarenella is talking about the sense of entitlement that some of the prisoners may have?

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Don't know, we'll have to wait for her answer. As for now what she wrote boils down to "I don't like... prisoners being treated like humans/Americans... at taxpayer expense." At which point I humbly suggest that she read the Declaration of Independence and either get with the program or GTFO.

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The Declaration of Independence?

Perhaps the U.S. Constitution would be a better read for referencing the treatment of prisoners in these United States.

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Maybe I was thinking more broadly.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

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I assumed this is what you meant. However, I still don't think that phrase applies to the handling of prisoners. I'm not suggesting we treat them like animals, but when they choose to violently disrupt society and break the laws that protect our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, they are effectively forfeiting their "equality."

I get your point though.

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Thank you Skippy.
I hear these complaints all the time. People get upset because prisoners get 3 meals and a place to sleep. To this kind of complaint, i say you know, you can go there too if you envy them so much. Not very hard to check in.
Being snatched from your life and locked away for a period of time is a traumatic thing for almost anyone. And while murderers, rapists, and other violent felons don't deserve much of our concern of cpare, prisons are filled with people who've never even punched anyone. Drug addicts, shoplifters, dead beat parents, etc etc. make up more of the inmate population than the straight scumbag predators. Sure, shoplifters are nothing we want in our society, but ppl get locked up for stealing diapers every bit as much as stealing jewelry and electronics. Perhaps we should look at prisoners as people first, and people in trouble second. There's no guarantees for any of us, and it's not inconceivable that we could end up there one day. And god forbid, end up wrongly convicted. In the grand scheme of things, very little of our tax dollars go towards housing inmates, so let's quit thinking we're personally footing the bill. We ought to be questioning why we have this incessant need to imprison people for every stupid legal infraction it's possible to make. Starting with helping non violent drug users as opposed to throwing them in jail, and in essence, telling them they're garbage and deserve punishment, not help. It gets us nowhere.

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P.S.
It might have been obvious from my previous post, but i'm no fan of the war on drugs. The name is a misnomer, anyway. It's really just a war on people. Our own people. From people who experiment from time to time at one end of the spectrum, to heavy users of crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine, to physically dependent heroin addicts at the other.
If the law honed in on manufacturers, traffickers, and dealers, more people would support the stiff laws. But addicts are often times law abiding citizens in every aspect of their lives except for their drug use. I do believe the tide is turning in favor of requiring the users to seek treatment for their illicit drug use, in lieu of punishment. Two states have even just passed laws legalizing personal amounts of marijuana. That was a daring and awesome move on the parts of Colorado and Washington state. Time will tell how well this turns out, but i'm confidant that other states are keeping an eye on things and at least SOME will follow suit. They are going to lessen the prison population, save money earmarked for fighting pot rated crimes, enabling it to be used to fight real drugs of a society's destruction. Of course they will tax it, have to regulate many aspects of it, making the state more money while creating jobs. But most importantly, it will not ruin the lives of SOOO MANY PEOPLE AND THE FAMILIES THEY BELONG TO. Annnnd i will end my rant.

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I really don't think should have weights, and work out equipment.
I don't think there should be a canteen.
I dunno...

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Compared to other prison systems in Western countries, our prisons are very draconian. The prisoners are shown very little mercy.

The conditions look horrible to me.

America has become a VERY conservative place. We have some of the most dismal prison conditions of any modern society and yet it still isn't bad enough for us.

What do we want? How bad does it have to be until we're satisfied? How brutal? Most of the prisoners are either from a really bad neighborhood, hooked on drugs or both.

Why this hatred towards them? Most of them are only a threat to themselves.

I should've known that IMDb is NOT the place to discuss a show like this. The intelligence level in these forums is way too neanderthal.

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I really don't think should have weights, and work out equipment...


What should they have? Can you keep people in a cage for ten years with NOTHING? Ten years spent staring into space?

(Note to myself - You're discussing this with someone who chose the screenname "morgue babe?"

Seriously?

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not EVERYONE in prison is guilty remember

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A lot of the episodes of lockup are looking at jails. The people in them haven't been tried yet, and are, in the eyes of the law, innocent.
To me, as a European, I find the conditions of these jails and prisons to be completely in humane. The food is barely worth the name, and the mental torture is bound to be responsible for the acting up the inmates display. I'd honestly rather be shot than have to be sent to one of those jails, which is where you end up whether you're accused of murder, or you just run into a grumpy police man.

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I usually don't even bother replying to posts discussing topics such as these, but felt that I needed to at least say something here.

Most people don't realize just how high the recidivism rate is in the US, 70% as of last year. Can you believe it? Over 70 percent of adults incarcerated in the United States will be rearrested at some point. I know it's hard to put that number into perspective, but think on this; The US incarcerates more people per capita that any other country. Do we have the low crime rates? How come crime is still happening when we have such tough, no non-sense laws?

It's painfully obvious that our penal system does not have the slightest clue on how to rehabilitate prisoners. From the war on drugs, to three-strike laws and impossible parole conditions, it's virtually a given that an offender will be rearrested. When you can be sentenced to life without ANY possibility of parole for a non-violent offense, something should tell you there is something wrong.

If you were to take a look at how some other European countries handle their inmates, you will see that draconian laws and crazy sentencing guidelines are not the answer. The country with the lowest recidivism rate is Norway, at just around 20%. There are no life sentences, and the focus is on rehabilitation and education. They reserve the max sentence of 21 years for the worst offenders with the option to extend their sentence 5 years at their parole date. To me, at least, that sounds like a much better deal. You can effectively extend an inmates sentence indefinitely if need be, but still provide some level of hope for other offenders.

We need to take a good hard look at the prison system in this country and get with the program. If crime could be prevented with harsh laws and tough sentences, it would be working. Instead, we should focus on providing opportunities to the impoverished and help keep them out of jail.

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I agree with you that our laws regarding non violent drug offenders are absolutely ridiculous. Sending someone to prison for having a small bag of weed is almost unconscionable.

Rehabilitation should most definitely be the number one priority for most inmates. This is almost nonexistent in our penal system. When you have some non violent drug dealer in prison and do nothing to help them prepare for their reentry into society, what is it that you think they are going to do when they get out? They are going to do what they know and there is a good chance that they are going to end up back in prison. It's a ridiculous system and the laws are just what you said...draconian. The Rockefeller Laws did nothing but overcrowd the prisons. That helps no one. Rehabilitation, as in job training of some sort, is a good start, and they do have this in some prisons, but not enough.

I do have a problem with inmates getting free college education and degrees, but not job training. Even with a college degree it is still going to be very difficult for them to find employment using that degree, as they are convicted felons. That, in itself, is reason enough to not give them a free education. Plus, why should we pay for their education? Again, job training is the answer, and not just one or two fields, like food service or making furniture.

Now, as for cold blooded murderers. I have no problem with many of them spending their entire lives in prison, depending on the crime itself. What I mean is that there may sometimes be extenuating circumstances, but not usually. When someone breaks into someone's house to steal something, then kills the person when they wake up and find them, I think they deserve to die in jail, but when someone kills another person because said person raped their daughter, they don't deserve a sentence like that. It's all subjective.

One other problem, though often not thought of, is that prisons can really hurt nearby areas. We have two prisons right in my area: Collins Correctional Facility and Gowanda Correctional Facility. They are actually right next to each other, as in a road separates them, and I really don't understand why they aren't just one large prison. They are both medium security. Now, the nearby village of Gowanda has a steadily rising crime rate because the families of these prisoners move into the village, or the immediate area, and they aren't always upstanding citizens themselves. The village also has a spiraling drug problem...mostly meth.

The prison population shouldn't even be half of what it is. It's ridiculous, and unless something changes, it's going to continue to get worse.


The plural of mouse is mice. The plural of goose is geese. Why is the plural of moose not meese?

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Remember most of the inmates in prison are going to be released. Really think about that. They are going to be released. You want them to come out the same as they went in or even worse? Or do we try to make them so they can function in a law abiding way?
Most are not violent offenders to begin with. Putting them in prison with violent sociopaths is not a good idea to begin with.
And some of you *beep* are even mad they get to eat and want to be treated humanely.

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