Positive Reviews?


After all the negative reviews, I would like to here form anyone that has anything good to say about this show. Is a positive review even possible?

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For people that does not have an opened mind, its *beep* I always found it facinating to watch. The classic example. "Why is the american flag blowing in the wind where there is no atmosphere?!"... Personally i dont care if they where to the moon or not (Strange that we havent gone back since). It was the cold war and beating russia was all it was about.

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Personally i dont care if they where to the moon or not (Strange that we havent gone back since).


12 people have walked on the moon. You don't think they all went in a single mission, do you?

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I think this movie was convincing and the truth should come out. If mankinds biggest achievement is a fake then the historybooks should be rewritten and the real race for the moon could begin.

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I agree, the video wasn't any good, but even with its low quality it's more real and acceptable than believing we really went on the moon.

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What about the Apollo program is not believeable to you?

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What about the Apollo program is not believeable to you?


W: A lot. The flag waves even AFTER it's not being moved. There are videos on youtube that show this.

Space shuttles only go 200 miles above the earth and even then, they are dangerous and people die on them. So how did they get 250,000 miles out into space on 1969 technology? And why has no other country repeated it?

No eyewitnesses were there except the three astronauts, and a federally controlled TV broadcast.

We haven't gone back to the moon and neither has any country, because it's probably not possible. The chances of getting there and returning are 0.0017.

There is no clear cut 100 percent proof that we went to the moon.

The video of the moon rolling around just before they landed looked like a fake miniature model of the moon, not like a real moon. Notice how fast they get to the surface and then the film suddenly blanks out.

Here is a new FAQ that will answer a lot of your questions and arguments:

http://apollofacts.bravehost.com/

I think some of you guys are still mind controlled from back in grade school when teachers would make you stand in the corner if you didn't listen to authority. lol

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Space shuttles only go 200 miles above the earth and even then, they are dangerous and people die on them. So how did they get 250,000 miles out into space on 1969 technology?

The Apollo program was dangerous too. Look at Apollo 1 and 13. Every Apollo flight had a few problems. It was a successful program but it wasn't magic. And there were only 11 manned Apollo flights. There have been over 100 Shuttle flights so far. Plenty more chances for things to go wrong.

And why has no other country repeated it?

I'm sure the Russians would have liked to. Unfortunately their N-1 launch vehicle exploded every time they tried to launch it.

Here is a new FAQ that will answer a lot of your questions and arguments

That site says Alan Shepard (whose name is misspelled) was grounded because of Meniere's Disease and wouldn't have been chosen for a "complex mission" like Apollo 14. He doesn't mention that Shepard had corrective surgery for his illness in 1969.

And the FAQ isn't new. It was being discussed on the Bad Astronomy forum in 2003.
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The flag waves even AFTER it's not being moved. There are videos on youtube that show this.

There is only one: the Apollo 15 footage. The conspiracy theorists simply declare it moves because it's in air. They don't show how they tested to see whether that was the reason, or whether an astronaut passing in front of the flag in air would create that movement.

Space shuttles only go 200 miles above the earth and even then, they are dangerous and people die on them.

Yes, and for reasons that are particular to the nature of that spacecraft. Other spacecraft also exhibited problems, and continue to do so. Space engineering is a demanding pursuit with narrow margins.

So how did they get 250,000 miles out into space on 1969 technology?

Many books have been written on the subject, full of verifiable technical details. The danger doesn't increase proportional to the distance one travels from Earth. The dangerous parts of any mission (space or otherwise) are the state changes -- typically ascent and descent. Once you've ascended, it doesn't matter how far you coast.

And why has no other country repeated it?

The only other country that has/had a chance was the Soviet Union. When they realized they wouldn't be first, they lost interest. Now they don't have enough money.

No eyewitnesses were there except the three astronauts, and a federally controlled TV broadcast.

In other words, about the same or more verification than supports the first ascent of Mt. Everest or the descent to the Challenger Deep. The Apollo missions offer a level of verification consistent with historical practice.

We haven't gone back to the moon and neither has any country, because it's probably not possible.

What is your evidence that this is the reason? Could it not also be a lack of interest or willingness? Three American presidents (Reagan, Bush, and Bush) have tried to resurrect interest in manned lunar exploration. So far only the latter has been able to generate public attention sufficient to create funding. The world's engineering community doesn't seem to have a problem with the Apollo missions and whether they were possible. The only people claiming it was impossible don't seem to have the relevant skills or experience.

The chances of getting there and returning are 0.0017.

Documentation for the computation, please? And no, Bill Kaysing's anonymous second-hand research report (which nobody but he has seen) doesn't count.

There is no clear cut 100 percent proof that we went to the moon.

Why do you believe it's necessary to have 100 percent proof? That seems an unreasonable, unattainable standard. The conspiracy theories have zero proof that they occurred, and that doesn't seem to deter you from giving them a chance.

The video of the moon rolling around just before they landed looked like a fake miniature model of the moon, not like a real moon.

And how exactly are you able to tell what a "real moon" would look like?

Here is a new FAQ that will answer a lot of your questions and arguments:

No, Sam Colby is an ignoramus. I don't have questions, and I've heard all the arguments before.

I think some of you guys are still mind controlled from back in grade school...

Nope. I'm a trained engineer who has worked in aerospace for nearly 20 years. You're the one mindlessly quoting some guy's web site.

...if you didn't listen to authority

No, this isn't about trusting authority; it's about trusting the facts. The facts are squarely on the side of the Moon landings being genuine. None of the conspiracy theorists (and I've dealt with all of them) has been able to convince me he has an appropriate grasp of the relevant facts. But they'll all rant endlessly about the evils of "authority."

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First, I'd like to point out that you're quoting a video on "YOUTUBE" that was created by a conspiracy theorist who guessed that you need air to move a flag. Anyways, it has been scientifically tested that when an object is inside a vaccum and provided momentum, it can move. This has actually been done with a replica of the American flag used on the Moon.

Second, this was done by NASA, an organization that represents the most-gifted minds in America. You're a conspiracy theorist, a guy at a computer who looks at the greatest events of all time and would like them to be falsified just to provoke reactions. I'm sure their grasp about how things work is greater than yours.

Even if it was faked, NASA is preparing for the construction of a lunar colony for 2020. I guess that would be fake, as well?

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You found the film convincing. But did you do any research on your own? Or did you just assume that Bart Sibrel had accurately represented the whole story?

Sibrel's film is convincing simply because, at best, he gives you only the evidence that seems to support his view; and, at worst, he lies. I can convince you of anything if I'm allowed to make it up as I go like that.

For example, he claims that the Soviets had a 5-1 advantage in hours in space. One of my colleagues asked Sibrel whether that included Project Gemini, which was carried out in the mid-1960s and worked out many of the spacefaring techniques needed to go to the moon. Sibrel answered that it did. Well, we know from objective records that at the end of Project Gemini, in about 1968, the United States had a 3-1 duration advantage over the Soviets. So naturally we want to know where Sibrel's figure comes from. Lo and behold, he can't tell us. He said it was some promotional film someone had sent him, but he didn't remember the name or the director or anything that would let someone else follow up. In short, Sibrel can't substantiate his claim. Has he withdrawn it? No. Has he clarified it? No. He wants you to believe that Apollo was "suspicious" because it was so successful. But that's because he just conveniently doesn't tell you about what was done to make it successful.

Because he thought his "backstage" footage was top secret and no one else would ever see it, Sibrel took many other liberties with selective presentation. But in fact many historians have seen it, and much of it was actually broadcast live on TV, contrary to Sibrel's belief.

Sibrel claims that a cut-out or transparency was used to create the illusion of a faraway Earth. But in the parts of the film he doesn't show you, there are shots of the Earth seen through the window where the frame is also clearly visible and clearly intrudes on the image. This clearly contradicts Sibrel's conclusion, but he refuses to acknowledge even that this footage exists.

But the most egregious omission was clearly intentional. Sibrel plays one segment telling that the TV camera was "filling up" the window. Then he shows another part where the camera is clearly several feet away from the window. He suggests that this was a deliberate attempt to deceive, that the camera was "really" several feet away all the time. But in the unedited raw footage, there is a conversation with Mission Control in which they tell the cameraman to back up and take pictures of the spacecraft interior. The cameraman does so, and tells Mission Control that he is obeying the order. You can see him backing up in the video. Bart Sibrel simply edits out the part of the film that explains what is going on, and then tries to argue that there is an inconsistency!

I have debated Bart Sibrel at length on his findings. He refuses to address any of these problems with his claims. He simply says that anyone who doesn't agree with his interpretation of the video record must be "on drugs" or "have a serious mental problem". He can't reconcile his claims with the facts.

Bart Sibrel is certainly a genius at using cinematic techniques to mislead and misrepresent. You were convinced because that's exactly what Bart Sibrel wanted to happen. He has no commitment to the truth; only to his bottom line. But those of us who have done far more research than Sibrel aren't fooled.

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Bart Sibrel is certainly a genius at using cinematic techniques to mislead and misrepresent.

Bart Sibrel has certainly convinced his share of people that the moon landings were fake. Now just imagine what a company with the power and funding of a nation could do.

If you contend that Bart Sibrel and a few others are our "misleading and misrepresenting geniuses", then I contend that NASA and the US Government is yours.

Who do you think is capable of convincing more people?

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The photographic record is only part of the evidence for the reality of Apollo. It would take a lot more than a bit of flashy video editing to convince the world's geologists of the reality of the Apollo moon samples and other scientific evidence, or to convince the astronomers and communications engineers who tracked the missions, in one case actually spoke to the crew, that they were not receiving data from the moon.

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You consider the photographic record as evidence in favor of the Apollo missions? Wow.

The photographic record is easily the biggest piece of evidence not in favor of the Apollo missions. All 5771 photos that were taken in only 4834 minutes of moon time! Amazing!

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You got that from Jack White, and he's wrong.
http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/17703-jack-white-says-not -enough-time-all-photos-qu.html
http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=di splay&thread=983&page=2
http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=di splay&thread=639

I thought Bart Sibrel said the astronauts should have taken more photographs.
http://www.clavius.org/bibfunny5.html

So which is it? Too many photographs or not enough?

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I could care less about Sibrel. He is not the reason I stopped believing the Moon landings were real. In fact, I discovered his documentaries after the fact.

The first two links you posted don't work, and I couldn't find anything in the last link that successfully disproves this theory. Everyone offers up their own theory or notion as to why it can't be true, but nothing concrete. If you want to point me to the specific post or comment that shows why the theory is "wrong", I'm all for it.

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Try this one:
http://www.bautforum.com/archive/index.php/t-17703.html

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Yeah I linked to that thread in the last link you originally posted. What comment or post there disproves this theory? I couldn't find one. I see a lot of jokes, reverse theories, and insults to Jack's character and intelligence...but no actual proof.

Nothing there convinces me that he was wrong. What convinced you?

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Jack White doesn't even understand that the Apollo LM ascent stages returned to orbit while the descent stages stayed on the Moon. I don't consider him an authority on the Apollo missions.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/lofiversion/index.php/t14585.html

If he's your best source, I don't feel like discussing this.
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You ask for a concrete refutation. But your claim consists of nothing more than so many photos in so many minutes or seconds, along with your opinion that it's "amazing." Why don't you supply something concrete instead of just begging the question.

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I just posted one.

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In regards to the flag waving, if you look at the tapes, it only ever waves after someone hits the pole on which its tied to.

Once it stops, it doesn't start again unless the pole is touched. Off course when you touch a pole, its going to effect the flag.

The flag itself has a long vertical pipe, going into the dirt, along with a horizontal pole to keep the flag square. That's how it keeps its shape. If you just look at the photos, you will see this!

Most conspiracy nuts are simply looking for ammo for a faulty gun. Look at the evidence and make an informed decision on what you see, not on what others are telling you to see.

P.s: We have equipment stationed on the moon, put there after the third Apollo mission (we have been their many times, look it up). This constantly send transmissions back to Jodrell Bank satellite. If you do some more research you will see it is still transmitting, and proves that man was on the moon to put the equipment there.

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"We have equipment stationed on the moon, put there after the third Apollo mission (we have been their many times, look it up). This constantly send transmissions back to Jodrell Bank satellite. If you do some more research you will see it is still transmitting, and proves that man was on the moon to put the equipment there"




they were put there by unmanned probes




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they were put there by unmanned probes


What proof do you have of this?

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". . . proves that man was on the moon to put the equipment there"

Yes, man was there. But we got there by hitching a ride with visitors from planet "Big-toSser" in Orion's belt. If it wasn't for using their slealth space ship (shaped like a pancake) we would never have beat the Russians.

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