I don't get my news from IMDb. I read this on msnbc.com, that the US is obviously losing since there are still Taliban left. Guess we lost WWII sicne there are still Nazis in the world. If you get your news and opinions off this website, stop voting.
If you want me to listen to my fellow American citizens (for a change...wow, you know me well or something? Where do I live?), give me an American citizen with a true voice. Give me a soldier who understands the cost of war not only on his own family, but on the world as well. I can give you one, one very close to me in my family, who understands what this is about, and stands beside soldiers who understand as well as he does. This is a terrible war we're in, he knows it, his company knows it...the soldiers who have paid with their lives know it...and none of them care if you don't.
The world is complicated, and war against Islamic Fundamentalism is necessary and unfortunate at this point in history. Just because you don't realize this as the truth doesn't make it a lie. Bluntness and broadness are necessary at this point, if only to dilute the truth out of leftist hypocrisy. The left would have us all believe that war is not necessary, that this war in particular is not necessary because it's an affront to peace. Well, peace is not attainable unless we take the fight against Islamic Radicals to THEIR soil, which we have done with great success. Iraq had a dictatorship that both sides agreed was in need of removal, going back to 1998 as far as termed policy, so this isn't "Bush's War" like everyone enjoys calling it. The point is, at this point in history, we MUST FIGHT. If we don't, we will fall. Yeah, we all want to live in a peaceful world, but my peace is different than that of Al Qaeda's view of peace. So who is right? Unless we have a moral absolute, the world will fall and those who did not recognize the need to fight will be responsible.
So, Robb, maybe if you and I come to a middle ground where I listen to the soldiers' voices--oh wait, I do--and you read up on the history of this war that goes back a hundred years, we'll all be OK. I don't see that happening, as you STILL think I've called someone a liberal. There is no such thing as a liberal. There is the left, which are more conservative than the right. To put it this way, the town I live in is one that people like to call "progressive" in terms of political viewpoints, newspapers, etc. I like to call it "socialist," but that's just me, apparently.
Either way, quit trying to insult my intellegence, as you will be hard-pressed to do so. Small minded? NO. Calling people liberal? No, I used the word in its actual meaning. Robb, you're going to keep losing, but if you want to keep making yourself look like a fool, by all means, keep this up. Just because I have a different (educated) viewpoint doesn't make me wrong, Chomsky.
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screenlabs
18 years ago
We are going to disagree and that is all there is too it. When you speak you make a whole bunch of assumptions and cast aspersions upon those you are addressing. And you are dead wrong.
I have a number of family members who have served or who are currently serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. I am the middle ground but unfortunately with the extemist views expressed in our current government, my views by contrast might seem left or whatever... and I don't care. My views are based on principles based in the American revolution, our great constitution, and the Bill of Rights. You are simply inventing the rules as you go along, as is the Bush administration with its new duplicitous definitions for torture and interrogation.
What I have learned by listening to our soldiers is that the leadership in Washington, and this just isn't a few soldiers saying this, had a very poor Plan A and NO Plan B for winning the war and catching the bad guys. They have no exit strategy. They are fumbling and bungling with the capture, (Did they catch Osama yet?) detention, and determining who is the enemy and just some guy who happened to be walking down the street on his way to a wedding and ended up with his ass in a secret prison or Gitmo for the next two or three years. That's not effective, in fact, it is so mismanaged and based on poor policy that it is hurting our great nation. It is expensive, a waste of our soldiers time and outrageously ineffective in advancing our goals and seeking peace.
I was raised in the Midwest in a Republican family. I've worked on the staff of two Republican U.S. Seantors. Not the kind of crazy-eye extremist radical knee-jerk Republicans you have today who are leading this country further and further into danger and down long paths of war for which here is no end. Islamic fundamentalism and extremism has been around for 1,000 years or more and will continue into the future. This will not be solved and is only made worse by our government sending troops and spending billions of dollars everyday and they can't even FIND Osama. The British have dealt with Islamic radicals in the Mid East, the French have dealt with them in North Africa and every country in the region: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Sudan, etc. you have radical and militant movmements. This is not new to history and not simply an American imperative.
There is no question that any and all Presidents in the future of this country will have to deal with the issues of world conflicts and radical Islam, however, let us hope that they will not be as incompetitent, ignorant and ineffective as George W. Bush and the extremist Republicans. They have only succeeded in making the world much more dangerous at the same time undermining the basic values of our great country.
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doctorfurby
18 years ago
If you think catching Osama will end this war you're more deluded than i thought. And until we see Osama holding up a current newspaper I'll have to conclude that he's assumed room temperature. If you don't believe just ask your loony socialist friends in France.
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robb-20
18 years ago
Nobody ever said catching Osama would end anything. Nor will the hundreds of thousands of troops Bush sends and the billions of dollars in taxpayer money, will end Islamic Fundamentalism. You are deluded.
The fact they cannot find and apprehend Osama bin Laden is simply just one more example of the complete lack of competitence on the part of our government to do anyhing right or with any measure of success. Just one example, in additon to the complete disregard for our returning soldiers and all the other fiascos that Bush & Co. and managed to perputrate while in office.
Assuming anyone has "loony socialist friends in France" is just another example of casting innuendo and making false statements to create a smoke screen to hide behind the fact that the policies and narrow ideology guiding this nation at war have failed miserably.
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doctorfurby
18 years ago
When we see protesters wanting us to leave then we'll leave but the Iraqi's have seen what life is like in Iran and they don't want any part of it. And if I was a liberal I wouldn't want to admit it either.
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