Relationship between suburbia and oil ?


I found this a strange documentary.
Some of the facts are interesting, but I had great difficulty following the film, mainly due to it's central premise.

So, ok, oil is scarce, and there will be an end to the American lifestyle, we got that (after a lot of repetition).

But why single out the suburbs, and not other causes of energy consumption such as travelling or holidays or uncontrolled consumption for non-neccessities or business carbon emissions etc etc ?

Yes, the suburban life contributes to the problem, as the film shows, but what's the alternative ? Construct huge towers and put as many people as possible in the least amount of space ? Have a small number of New-York-type cities x 10 , and countryside in the rest of the country ?
This would have a huge environmental impact, and would require enormous energy (oil) for sewage, to clean up water, carry away the billions of tons of garbage, transport food and products to the city, maintain a clean atmosphere, build huge towers, keep the mega cities in decent condition etc. The opposite of localism that the film proposes.

And all this new urbanism/localism stuff, is not explained adequately. I don't mean to play with words, but what is it other than a well developmed suburb with good infrastructure ? (a few more local stores instead of a single wall-mart far way).

In my opinion, the suburbs are the least bad and inhumane places to accomodate the HUGE population explosion of the century. And also the most sustainable. There's no space for each family trully living in the countryside, and the above scenario of everyone living in mega-metropoles is equally impossible.

And as far as oil is concerned, again, if there will be a solution to the problem, I think it will be the suburbs that will suffer the least (compared to poor city dwellers for example). A family can have a reasonable sustainable lifestyle in a suburb, since it has the space to install renewable energy technology (mini wind turbines, solar panels etc). And it has a small area of land that can be used productively (trees/flowers for oxygen, or as a fruit/vegetable patch). And a suburban arrangement allows for the development of local networks for food and other products. Also, middle classes in the suburbs are reasonably educated, and if push comes to shove, there will be a change in the business climate and most office work will be conducted from
home. Minor or major inconveniences, in comparison to what other sections of society will suffer !

Note that I am not an optimist at about the oil problem and I don't have a problem with a bit of scaremongering. But the way it was done in the film annoyed me, hence the rant ! Tell me if I'm missing something in all this !

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I think one of the central points of the movie for me was pointing out that the suburbs are quite unnatural places (I think they were described as "dormitories for people") that really were only made possible with oil. I don't think the film was trying to actively judge suburbia, but was looking for a context or topic that would affect most of its potential audience. As most of its potential audience probably live in or near the suburbs then that was why the film focused on suburbs in particular. I know it wouldnt have been as interesting for me (as a suburb dweller) if they had just shown the impact on commercial and industrial properties. Plus when you think about it, to clear, construct and furnish all these homes must have expended oil at a furious pace.

I agree with you though, housing millions of people would have been impossible without the suburbs, but perhaps the mass settlement of the suburbs in the 50's and 60's helped to multiply population growth too (people had more space to rear children comfortably)

Regardless this movie was quite alarmist, particularly as the title of one of the talking heads included his book "America's descent into fascism following the oil peak" !!!

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Good point about the suburbs themselves fueling population growth by providing space for bigger families.

Yes, relating the history of the suburban lifestyle to oil consumption
made sense. It was the discussion about the present and future that annoyed me more(probably because of the alarmist tone, as you said).

Pity, I missed the "America's descent into fascism" bit.
Hilarious !

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The issue with the typical suburb is that you have to get in your car to go anywhere - work, food, etc. As they point out, the end of oil spells the end of globalization. The multinational corporations will splinter into many small, local operations. No more imported or exported goods. The rise of local, cottage industries everywhere to support local agriculture, local manufacturing of clothing and other essentials, etc.

Today, maybe you telecommute, and maybe your job is managing production, marketing, sales or movement of goods being made half a world away. That's not what you'll be doing post-peak. You'll probably be working with your hands in a trade that produces real goods for people in your immediate community. Maybe you'll be farming. It will be hard, physical work.

You'll have to walk to work, walk to the bakery, walk back home. Or maybe ride a bicycle if you can get one, at least until the roads degrade. This is where the new urbanism comes in, which is basically like pre-industrial town life - a community of people living in close proximity, working together to survive.

The big questions are:

1. When will the peak oil production plateau (84-85 million barrels/day) that was reached in May, 2005 come to an end, and the down-side begin? The global plateau could last for many years, as more expensive oil deposits are brought on line. At $75/barrel, there's yet more oil available that was not economically feasible to produce when oil was cheaper. Maybe the current rate of supply can be sustained for several decades (although the price will continue to rise as production costs rise).

2. When the production down side is reached, how steep will the slope be? If it is more gradual, it buys time to make the many necessary governmental, infrastructural, industrial and social adjustments. If the slope is steeper, it will be more disruptive and chaotic. If it is really steep, the people and our institutions would be blind-sided, and anarchy would be the result.

3. How much alternative energy production can be brought on line, how soon, and will that be in time? It will take a full complement of nuclear, wind, solar, hydro/wave, biofuels, and anything else out there to make any significant impact, and a major capital investment. Even if, alternative energy can probably only decrease the shortfall, not eliminate it.

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And so, Momentary, we find each other again...


Anyway. Contrary to popular belief, it is much more environmentally friendly to live in a city than in the suburbs. This is due to transportation, the size of peoples' homes, and a few other factors. The suburbs actually encourage excess by, as Momentary said, making people drive everywhere, larger and larger houses being built everywhere (and their actual development, which destroys so much habitat), making commutes longer, and generally making people want the excessive American lifestyle that is supported by greed, *excess*, and oil (hopefully only for now, though). It also numbs peoples' minds by surrounding them in the bubble that is the most plush comfort zone known to man. I am currently growing up in the suburbs, and I can assure you that most of the teenagers in my community don't realize that they are some of the wealthiest people in the world (in fact, a lot of them have even called themselves "poor"), even though I live in one of the top 50 richest counties in the US (the single wealthiest nation on Earth), and my school district's mean income is nearly double the national average. This makes people unaware of their excess and simply increases it, along with their ignorance, in a vicious cycle that doesn't end until something directly affects them.

Man! I'm moving to a city when I'm older.

~"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix~

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Ink,

There are a number of sites that do a comparative analysis of urban vs. rural "sustainability." Google, and you will find.

My observation is that there's a long list of pros and cons for either. In the end, I think that it comes down to specific, local circumstances for either, with a certain amount of luck factored in...

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I guess I was referring more to a city with the density and public transportation of Manhattan than one that is more spread out like Philadelphia or LA. In that case, it is probably more environmentally friendly to live in the city.

~"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix~

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I have to chime in here. While Philadelphia is not as dense as Manhattan, it is certainly more dense and has a far more extensive transit system (although poorly run) than the far majority of American cities.

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-- But why single out the suburbs

Because:

- For all the thousands of years most of humanity has been living in one place (and not wandering the woods like an animal) we've lived, worked, played, and raised children all in the same place. Most people never in their entire lives moved many miles from where they were born.

- The suburbs changed that: now living, working and playing all require driving a car; and kids get driven more than anyone (the older generations remember being old to "go out and play" which means the way it sounds -- to leave without supervision as a youth into the neighborhood).

So suburbs depend on driving. And it's not just the residents who drive; it's the delivery of food, fuel oil, everything -- all of which is trucked long distances. Soon the cost of driving head of lettuce 1000 miles will become too expensive -- so more of agriculture must become local. If that sounds crazy, I don't blame you, but this pattern has ALREADY emerged -- in Cuba, when the Soviet Union fell and stopped providing oil.

Oil is used for many things (drugs, plastics, etc.) but the great majority (70%+) is for cars and trucks, and much of that WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY if (1) we went back to living in towns and cities, not suburbs, and (2) used railroads which are (something like) 8x more efficient for distance travel. Shipping by canal and river is even MORE efficient (one reason that humanity often has lived on rivers).

> and not other causes of energy consumption such as travelling or holidays or
> uncontrolled consumption for non-neccessities or business carbon emissions

Those things will go too. This is probably the last generation apart from the wealthy and military who will travel by air -- it's just too expensive. But as a percentage of all oil pumped, the great majority (70%+) is used in the USA for trucking and automobile driving.

The craziest thing about Peak Oil isn't that it's a problem; it's that we KNEW in the 1970s all about it, and when Reagan got into office and ripped the symbolic solar panels off the White House roof we all partied instead.

As world events (including the tripling price of oil, and revelations about melting glaciers) have made clear since I first posted here on this issue in 2005, the party is OVER.

CBK

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