Demise of the Burbs


I've yet to see this documentary - only just heard about it, but would like to catch it very soon. I'm reading a variety of books as part of a literature review for a course I'm on (visit http://energy.istime.net if you're willing to do the online energy efficiency survey - thanks if you do - when I've completed it I'll put a summary of it on there) & during the last year have seen a several intersting documentary films, like 'The Corporation' and 'The Yes Men'. It all sounds very interesting. When you consider the scale of the problem - how we tackle our dependence on cars & a materialistic lifestyle is quite a question.

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Yes the Y2K bug was overhyped but this is different. Oil is undisputedly a finite resource and there is a wealth of information available on the net, from very reliable sources, that we are coming to the peak point where we have extracted roughly half the oil in the worlds ground. This means the remaining half is harder and more expensive to get out of the ground. It is generally a lower quality crude and therefore harder to refine and again more expensive.

Dr Hubbert correctly predicted in 1956 I think that American production of oil would peak in 1970. He was ridiculed by his peers and in 1970 America produced as much oil that year than they had ever previously produced in a year. 1970 was the year they peaked - ever since it has been in steady sharp decline. He also predicted that the world would peak in 1995 but he couldn't have foreseen the saudi oil shocks in the 70's that basically forced the world to conserve energy. I personally think we have peaked already, possibly in the last year or 2 but if I'm wrong we are certainly going to peak within the next 10 years. The evidence out there is overwhelming.

Considering the world economy is based entirely on access to cheap energy and the gargantuan task it would take to change our entire infrastructure to something other than being fossil fuel dependent I think is this the most important crisis to address we have ever faced. Several hard questions and problems facing humanity need to be and answered and solved. We need a Manhatton type project to be started asap that is a combined world effort that involves all of the world's best scientists and greatest minds available to find a workable solution to our fastly approaching energy crisis.

I suppose you are the kind of person who thinks that exponential growth (population, consumption, borrowing etc etc) can go forever in a finite closed system: which is what our planet is btw. The only people who think like that are madmen and economists and it could be argued they are one and the same. It is insane that growth is idolised so much. That is what capatilism is based on I suppose so most people don't won't to listen that we might be growing too fast for our own good.

Do you think global warming is a myth? Top soil depletion?

We use oil for so many things: Plastics, pestisides, fertilisers, chemicals, medicine, petrol etc etc etc

Also in a world without oil, the earth will only sustain 1-2 billion people maximum although possibly a lot less. For every 1 calorie of food you eat 10 calories of oil is used to grow, pacakge and transport that food to you. We literally eat oil. The population of the world is expected to double by at least 2025. Do you think our problems will get better or worse with so many people?

A car is on a road heading towards a cliff with a sheer drop. The pessimist will jump out of the car for fear of going over the edge. The optimist will believe that either the cliff isn't there or someone will build a bridge (market forces?) and accelerates. The realist applys the brakes and stops beore certain disaster. I am a realist and peak oil is a cliff that we seem to be approaching at a rapidly accelerating rate. This scares the hell out of me. We as a race seem to be incapable of thinking beyond the here and now. It is really sad.

The general public of the world need a HUGE wake up call before it's too late although it may already be too late.

But don't worry NewsReactor, go back to sleep and go about your business. This won't affect you.

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Suburbs are necessary.


Remind me: How long did mankind live without suburbs? Hell, how long did mankind live without cities? Suburbs are not necessary.

"Time makes more converts than reason." --Thomas Paine

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wow, this is serious thing guys. the oil. but i guess the burbies are not the reason ... they are just a consequence of cheap oil and too ez life for many lazy americans.

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In Sweden we have had high oil taxes since the seventies. So we don’t depend so much on oil as the US. That’s one reason that makes the oil crises not affect us so much.

We also have a big tax exchange program going on. Lower taxes on work, higher taxes on environmentally destructive behavior.

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Sweden is also going to rid itself of oil dependency by 2020. The Prime Minister himself is going to lead this vast and necessary project.

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i like boobies

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lol....

tho seriously, I live in sweden too, don't you think 2020 is a bit naive?

You're a load in my pants Al.

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the problem is millions of energy hungry people. stupid energy hungry people, many of which contribute very little in return.

remove the unnecessary people. problem half solved.

what can I say :/ Im sat in a mall selling meaningless crap to idiots. Im in the face of it every day. It kills me.

Energy efficiancy is essentually streamlining. Think about that in terms of humnity.

Ill end up buying hybrid one day, Ill have my own wind farm, Ill eat my breakfast that was heated using electricity from solar panels in the desert, Ill recycle, Ill use biofuels and I will even use recycled toilet paper.
But it doesnt mean anything if you are the only one.

There will always be people who want the most for the minimum effort. END OF STORY.

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Oil what not aside, being energy conservative is WAY harder said than done. Im sure most of these "enviromentalists" talk about making the world a better place, point their fingers at the republicans, oil companies, multi national corporations, the carlyle group, PNAC and just about any right wing organization out there. What they DONT don is realise that the problem is as much (if not more) a societal issue. Bush doesnt force you to drive an SUV, he doesnt discourage it, but in the end, any change has to start with the consummer, who despite probably wanting to stop this trend, has been rendered unable to by the society we live in. Im not saying im any differnt, my computer is always on and im sure im greenpeaces worst nightmare, but i atleast recognize that its as much MY responisbility as it is gov'ts, yet i still do nothing... Personally, given the current society and way which most north americans were brought up in, we are unable to democraticly move away from our oil dependence. ultimataly, i dont think we will be able to walk away from our current lifestyle willingly. This leaves 4options 1) we develop a way around the energy cirssis via nuclear( my favorite) or some other form (this doc wasnt very supportive of any option 2) we contiune driving hummers and in 50 years we are screwed 3) we drive priuses and in 75 years are screwed 4) we submit ourselves (willingly/unwillingly) to a totalitarian regime wchich will eliminate vast portions of the population, enforces harsh regulations against engergy waste and begin living in an extremely harsh way which will only support a shadow of our current lifestyle. we arent gonna stop using oil, not to be neggative, but we arent

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The Y2K bug was not overhyped. We fixed it. Speaking from my own experience, we spent months tracking down every date field and variable used in our financial software system (which, among other things, could automatically transfer huge amounts of money between bank accounts). We found several significant Y2K bugs that could have had a variety of bad effects for our customers. We fixed them in time, and gave the corrected software to our customers, and saved them a lot of headaches, and kept our reputation for reliability. As it was, a minor Y2K bug did escape us, but this matches the overall experience worldwide, and it proves that this was a real and complex problem (albeit completely unnecessary had computers and software been designed correctly in the first place).

It makes me angry when people say that because nothing happened, it must mean that nothing was going to happen. That's just not true.

Y2K isn't the only problem:
32-bit Unix systems have a 2038 problem. I wonder if our good performance for Y2K will lead to complacency in addressing this one. I can hear it already: nobody will be using 32-bit in 2038.

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