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With Penn coming out of retirement will Hughes and Chuck follow?


They were released form the UFC. Hughes fought Royce in his twighlight. Will Hughes challenge the champ to a nontitle open weight? And Chuck vs Silva could actually be plausible now. They need some creative interesting fights right now.

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Hughes turns 44 this year
Chuck turns 48
BJ just turned 38 last month. Let's just stick with getting Aldo, GSP and Nick Diaz back back in the octagon before trying to bring back the middle aged and crazy division.

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I guess you enjoy faded stars being beaten on?

I watched that Belator freakshow with Gracie and Shamrock. I really didn't enjoy it. Plus, I don't think either needs the money.

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I don't mind Penn coming out of retirement, but for god's sake please stay out of 145.

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I'm all for old stars fighting as long as its against each other, I don't like to see legends get beat on by the young guys.

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I agree for the most part. Though you gotta admit, at his age, you'd think he would try to give himself the best chance possible to win. Instead, he's making it more difficult by fighting in divisions he has no business being in.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he is a 145er and it's just not in him to fight any more. The last time we saw him at 155, he was actually doing pretty good against Frankie Edgar, but came up short.

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I believe in Penn's case raw talent hasn't been enough to get you far in this sport anymore. It was enough in the earlier years when half of the competitors were truck drivers and guys that won their local tough man competitions were facing state wrestling champions and black belts from their own dojo. Now MMA fighters are doing the same things top athletes from other sports do. The diet, the training, the game planning and just adapting to the changes. I don't believe Penn has done that since his first Hughes fight. Being 39 fighting guys that were still in diapers when he had his first fight is going to blow up in his face every time.

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Against bigger guys, sure. Remember, lightweight was removed for a period. Welterweight was the only prize in town when he came back. He didn't need Dana to protect him from any discipline, and he didn't need the best camp. He went for it and he got it. After doing so he wanted more so he left. While he was gone, Hughes and GSP changed the game and when Penn came back he had a new lightweight division to play in, and that's where Penn shined the brightest. He wasn't protected there either. He fought guys of all disciplines and from competent camps. You can make the argument he didn't train hard enough, but he was never outclassed at lightweight. Prime Frankie Edgar ain't no joke, and neither was prime Jens to be honest, and all those losses were close.

He tried another crack at the bigger guys again, but the guys were too big and the division too full. Then they added 145 to the UFC and Penn began salivating again. It was a new conquest, but he was obviously too drained to compete properly. It's just a fact of life that not all 155ers can cut to 145 and make it work.

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You ask me they are making it look more devastating than it was. Rodriguez looked like he still couldn't put him away without help from BJM. he absorbed a lot of punches but he was about to get a better position. His head never bounced off the ground or was trapped between bunches and the ground, he never looked out of it, he was quick to protest when BJM stopped it. Not saying he would have won but for all those flashy kicks he didn't seem to have a lot of power. I don't know about this guy yet.


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He didn't need the best camp because he wasn't taking on the best guys. Well that's unfair to stevenson, sherk, florian and sanchez but those guys aren't Edgar and didn't he fade in the later rounds against Jens?

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He always took on the best guys, and used the training he knew worked for him like most fighters did back then. Jens was the better man in a close fight, then Penn showed him who the real king was years later during TUF using the same camp in Hawaii. Maybe Penn faded against Jens, but he seemed to hold it together against Frankie just coming up short in both fights. Frankie beat him with that same speed advantage he uses today. Frankie could probably survive at 155 if he chose to, but he's a smaller guy so 145 is a better fit.

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The issues with Penn...

Lack of cardio training for some fights.

Too many "yes men"

That is why he lost to people, IMO, he could have beaten. This was a good discussion between Rogan, Bas and Mauro.

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Speaking of Mauro I'm prolly the only one glad Goldberg finally got the boot. Maybe the new owners will come to their senses and finally hire Mauro. Sorry had to say that.

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The rumor is Jim Rome was hired that's why Goldie left...rather was asked to leave.

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Lack of cardio training for some fights.

Too many "yes men"
I agree he probably could've done more, but you can say that for most champions. The biggest problem with those yes men is going along with his move back to welterweight and featherweight. Changing it all up and moving over to Jacksons wasn't enough.

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With Penn it wasn't just when he was a champion...


Yeah, the move may have been a little too late. It could also be the suspension, but he was just out classed in many ways. He was too slow and didn't press the action.

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I think the answer to your question is not after they saw what happened to him i that fight.

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Mauro does color commentary for WWE on their second show. I wonder who would pay more, lot less traveling for UFC events and according to the rumors, more freedom in your play calling with UFC.

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I guess you enjoy faded stars being beaten on?

I watched that Belator freakshow with Gracie and Shamrock. I really didn't enjoy it. Plus, I don't think either needs the money.

Yeah that was a terrible fight. I thought I might like to see them fight again, but didn't really think it through enough. I don't know what else I expected though, they're both well past their prime as fighters.


You think that's air you're breathing now?

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 No offence, I honestly got a chuckle after reading that.

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Seriously though, I'd like to see him go back to 155 and have a crack at somebody like Alvarez. I bet it'd be more competitive than people think.

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It was sad seeing penn get beaten down again

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