Doubts... (spoilers)


I saw that movie, yesterday. I have to say half of the public went around the middle but I stayed until the end.
I really enjoyed the songs and the way it was shot: There always were funny angles and it had something quite exotic in it...
This movie reached its climax when the heroes are hugging one another between the DVD shelves especially because the guy refuses to get oraloved by the girl... (IMHO)

BUT I don't get the end: Was it necrophilia or rape? Why is the Japanese actress inert? Why didn't we see anything coming before?
And, how should we interpret the end? Is the girl happy or devastated?

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I can't tell you what happened to the Japanese girl, but the woman at the end is devastated. You should be able to see the girl's tears during the scene, as well as the sweat on the man's rear end that looks like tears.
Shiao-kang can only be sexual in either a mechanical or an autoerotic (masturbatory) way. Shang-chyi tries to help him get through his scene, but his excitement shows how far apart their passion for each other is (they do seem really to like each other) from their physical desires. I think Tsai is saying that our sexuality has become a commodity. It's something reduced to an act. There's no way Shiao-Kang can "sweetly" do what he did to the girl; he just gets overexcited and uses the girl as a receptacle, just like a porn character.

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Thanks a lot, but couldn't the girl cry out of the joy of contenting her unreachable love for the first time?

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are you kidding? she was repulsed beyond words. he was raping an unconcious woman. and then he raped her face.

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She was moaning an ambiguous way and it was not incompatible with the rest of that movie.

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yes thats right,i understoood that she was devastated too, her face just froze and she had tears down her face when he did what he did. But what I dont get is: why was she staying there watching and even getting pleasure from watching him have sex with a dead woman? She was moaning, which makes her just as guilty. Can somebody explain this one?

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I think this film is fantastic and I think it is an often made mistake to believe that all films should be judged by their accesibility to the everyman. Otherwise we would be writing similarly disconcerting reviews of Hegel: "I thought he didn't make any sense you know? No major publishing house would touch that garbage!"

Just as a person can't just pick up a copy of The Soft Machine or Molloy and expect to fully appreciate it without learning at least a little bit about how to read these texts, the same is true with film.

Without at least some working knowledge of avant-garde film and Chinese transnationalism (ahem, of which this director being Taiwanese is VERY concious of in most of his films... especially in the last scene... uh did you notice the staging and the vicious political content? I think it had just a little to do with the meaning of the film don't ya think?) you are bound to just get frustrated with the film and consider it stupid and a waste of time or else sense that there must be something here but clueless as to what it is. Not because you are a bad person but because you haven't learned how to read this text yet.

Dammnit they should be teaching this stuff in highschools.

Anyway, my favorite part is still the japanese "bottle-uh!" scene. That and the watermelon helmut. I couldn't stop laughing.

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AMAIZING MOVIE . really liked it

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BUT I don't get the end: Was it necrophilia or rape? Why is the Japanese actress inert? Why didn't we see anything coming before?
And, how should we interpret the end? Is the girl happy or devastated?
The Japanese woman was dead, and they used her for the porn shoot, so it was necrophilia.

I believe that Shiang-chyi received Hsiao-Kang willingly and was crying tears of joy, but it's really up to interpretation.

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The way I saw it, Shiang-chyi was appalled at one she saw, and wanted to bring it to an end. By moaning the way she did, she encouraged Hsiao-Kang to reach a climax (and there were hints that he was having "performance problems"). At the same time, she feels closer to her lover, but there's definately a mix of emotions in that final scene.

I've been in the group for years and I know, he always listens.

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