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Hey, Chile is a modern country!


Ok. Not everybody knows Chile, but the producers of this film should study a little bit about my country. Firts of all, we are not caribean. Second, ConcepciĆ³n is one of the most important cities of Chile, and also is very popular because is the city of origin of many artists (like the chilean band Los Tres).
There's no place in Chile where people could act like in the movie.

We are tired of being pictured by some people of some countries as an underdeveloped country or being represented by images of children with dirty faces.

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I'm sorry that that upset you. But if you look at it this way, the filmakers were trying to convey the idea of the sickness that was caused by those chemicals leaking into the sewer. The said children could have also been poor, though I agree that if that were the case, they needed to understand that they were representing an entire nation and that puting the poor on screen may have made people believe that Chile consisted of poor people.

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It's a fictional movie, not a documentary. Get over it!

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To those of you who say to get over it because it's a fiction... Imagine a Chilean movie featuring US to be full of crap. Would you be absolutely happy about it? This Chilean has every right to complain.

You think that it doesn't matter because Chile is not an important country to you, But it IS important to those who live in it. I do love the states but sometimes I can't help realizing that the rest of the world really means nothing to some of you people.

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(Bow) Very well said.

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loyalroyal-1, well said

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A Chilean movie picturing the US in such a way WOULD be a documentary, therein lies the flaw. And the Cathedral where that scene took place IS surrounded by beggars, so get over it. It doesn't mean ALL of Chile is economically deprived, it just means that, while offensive in its generalization, the scene hold more truth than assumption.

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You, my friend, are one smart american. Kudos to you.

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So... you're saying the US is NOT full of crap?
...and your comment was posted during the Bush administration?
I think you must be a Chilean posing as an American poster...
All jokes aside, though, GET OVER IT and get over yourself.
As an American I would love to see a Chilean movie about the US being full of crap, I hear Chileans make the best crap-world films.

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I would never care.

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well, yes, is not a doccumentary, but, is like make a movie about Los angeles with people talking with australian accent, living in french houses, more or less

The settings in The reaping pretending Chile, are more Cuban style than anything else.

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The dumb thing is that Chile is the *wealthiest* country in Latin America. They could have picked *any* other country in LA and been more accurate.

Not only that, Chileans do not speak with Mexican accents. It is an entirely different dialect of Spanish.

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Wealthier than Brazil?

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Ok I wouldn't call Chile the Wealthiest Country in Latin America not even in South America. Where are you getting this information from?
Anyways the makers of this film or any other film still don't have the right to make a developed city look like a HOLE to the entire audience that is going to watch this movie. Specially because taking how Ignorant MOST of Americans are they will believe this and think such of this CITY.

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Ok I wouldn't call Chile the Wealthiest Country in Latin America not even in South America. Where are you getting this information from?


Chile may not be the Wealthist in numbers but as far as over-all development, it is far more advanced when compared to it's Latin neighbours as far as overall development is concerned. It has the highest standard of living, the lowest poverty rates, lowest levels of corruption (couldn't say this back in the 70's & 80's though when many Chileans fled), lowest levels of crime etc. In all the rankings of Latin America, Chile usually leads and currently it also leads it's Latin neighbours in the recently released "Best Places to Live" list with Argentina coming in 2nd and Uruguay coming in 3rd.

And I agree about the depiction of Concepcion. Next time they should try doing a simple GOOGLE search for crying out loud. It really is that simple and they got NOTHING right in it's depiction.

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Hollywood does this to all cities that are not american. For example:

Man on Fire..they made Mexico City like if it was crap, which is not.

Mr. and Mrs. Smith.. they made Bogota,Colombia look like a crack town.

etc

list goes on and on!

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Hollywood does this to all cities that are not american.
Hollywood does this to all cities that are not New York City or in California. It isn't a "non American" thing, they just don't care about anyplace outside those two locations.

"You've shown your quality sir. The very highest."

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They do absolutely no research. They just get some good training in making a movie and hire some cool editor to edit it and CG.
Can you imagine in Independence day, when they were showing all the people of the world praying to their gods, they showed Indians(india) praying to the tajmahal.
Can you believe that.
I am sure that many around the world know that it is not a temple but infact a lovers tomb and no one prays there ever.

But i dont see any american having a problem with that.
Sometimes I dont think that these directors are ignorant.
But they feel that the audience will connect to this.
The audience is ingnorant. I am sure many american may have heard of the tajmahal ad might be the only thing they know about India.

Many americans cannot find america on the map, so that tells you how much a director should care about being correct.

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UR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT....LOOK AT "TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE"..MADE TEXAS LOOK LIKE INBRED HICKSVILLE.ANY, I MEAN ANY MOVIE MADE IN MIAMI.....BUNCH OF DRUG DEALING CUBANS OR HAITIANS.

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Umm.. the guy who made Texas Chainsaw Massacre was from Texas.

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Those countries/cities are AMERICAN they are in America. Mexico is in the North and Columbia in the South. Don't you know your geography?

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You did not need to insult the other poster. I agreed with you but I think your arguments lost strenght by being so rude.

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Oh God, you have nothing to refute me with so you bitch.

Take it somewhere else, if you "agree" with me, I don't really care. As my point stands regardless of how "rude" I am to morons.

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Um, honey, the U.S. is not a CONTINENT. Just a second grade geography review for you.

And anyway, America is only the (severely politically incorrect) general name for our little part of the North American continent because ignorance and political inconsistency made it so. So maybe we should grow up and refer to it as 'the United States' or even 'the states' (though there are other states in the world) or, hell, why not 'the U.S.'?

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Congratulations on failing reading comprehension AND geography.

Read again.

Not only did I NOT say, even once, that the United States of America was a continent, but you failed to know that there are TWO continents that have America in their names.

Ignorance is what you possess, everyone else who seems to be able to distinguish between America (the USA) and North America (not the USA) can handle that, while you cannot.

Should we refer to a nation by "the states" if we are not specifically detailing its full name? Oh gee, im sure THAT narrows it down. There's no other nations that have United States or States in their title. That would make it SO much better.

Or...not being morons, that if were going to shorten the name of the United States of America when talking about it, we could just use America. You know, since no other nation has America in their name. Hmm.

Next time perhaps you can read, before failing the terrible strawman that you did and claiming I said the US was a continent. And perhaps next time you can, you know, find a argument against mine rather than just whinning "baaaw! people other than me will get confused when talking about the United States of America (a nation within the continent of North American and not South America, so not quite sure why anyone would confuse it with ALL of the continent/s) so they should stop talking about it as if they have the name American in their nam...oh wait".

Try again.

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but you failed to know that there are TWO continents that have America in their names.


Yeah? two continents? wich ones? the continent is just ONE, America. But there are THREE political subdivisions: North, Central and South America. From where did you came up with this "two continents" thing? An average maybe?

Maybe you should be the one studying geography before posting with this "I'm so clever that even being an a$$hole you can't prove me wrong" attitude

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keeping with the original topic, you just can't compare the ConcepciĆ³n portrayed in the movie with the real thing. ConcepciĆ³n y over 1 million people. That city in the movie gave the impression of a little village with huts no much different with the ones from "The Mission" (great movie BTW)

Here's a pic from the real ConcepciĆ³n
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/804/25169259655623edd3ebmj5.jpg
draw your own conclusions

PS: sorry for my poor english

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America is ONE landmass. There are TWO continents in that landmass - North America and South America joined by the isthmus of Panama. Central America is NOT a continent. It is also not A political subdivision unless you are referring to the several nations between Mexico and Panama.

If you think you've studied Geography, think again. Better still, revisit the lessons or research a bit on the Net.

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do you really believe that that was important point of the postings?

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I don't know what the OP is refering to because I couldn't watch this whole abortion of a film (even on TV with a magazine), but isn't mexico city crap? I mean, Mexico is beautiful, but Mexico City is totally polluted and certainly run down in some areas and as far as I know the abduction problem is at least partially true. NY is my favorite city in the world and it's a bit crap too. London also. Now I live in Beijing and some bits are extravegant and beautiful, but others are like Calcutta. It's dumpy and dusty. Many cities are. It doesn't mean they aren't awsome places to live in or visit.


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On the behalf of the American people, please accept my apologies. And while I'm at it, congratulations with finally getting electricity in the wealthiest part of the country.

Regards an american friend.

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Romancing the Stone: Colombia's airport had a chicken

Hostel: Slovakia is portrayed as a hellhole that practices torture for profit, and the police are fascist pigs.

Basic: Panama has no hurricanes. Day of the Dead is not celebrated with costumes, that's Mexico. Some of us celebrate Halloween because the American soldiers that were here used to do it.

Bad Medicine: Americans go to Mexico to study, and the hotel is full of cockroaches.

Mr and Mrs Smith: Colombia is a crazy country where explosions shake the hotel, and the Colombians don't seem to care.

The good thing about all this is that even the US is bashed in some movies. Texas Chainsaw Massacre makes you believe Texas should be avoided at all cost. Deliverance, Breakdown, Hills Have Eyes make you believe every state in the American south should be avoided.

Not to say anything about the hundreds of movies that make New York look like a concentration camp. Bonfire of the Vanities, Jason Takes Manhattan are crossing my mind right now.

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Actually, as an American I can tell you that you do indeed want to avoid Texas at all costs, and most of the south as well.

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Lord of War: Liberia is a living hell with no major cities or 20th century technology. Everyone lives in huts, shacks or cruddy apartments in towns that look like Old West ghost towns. The Ivory Coast is a plain where everyone lives in tents.

Blood Diamond: West Africa is just a collection of tents and huts and 1 out of every 20 people is a child soldier or murderer.

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Funny...

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by - hypersilent on Sun Apr 8 2007 02:13:01
"On the behalf of the American people, please accept my apologies. And while I'm at it, congratulations with finally getting electricity in the wealthiest part of the country.

Regards an american friend. "


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Apology accepted. It's not your fault that your education system has failed you. You didn't choose to born ignorant, you just didn't choose to change that.

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As far as I know, Chile has electricity, Phones, TV, Internet access, etc EVERYWHERE in the country. Don't they teach you Geography at school?? oh. Sorry. I didn't consider that maybe the only important country for a USA citizen like you is the USA (thanks god the rest of the people in your country knows a lot more).

By the way, "America" is a continent, not a country, divided in 3 parts: North America, Central America and South America, so "American people" would be people from Canada to Argentina, with everything in between. I guess you didn't pay attention in classes to this as well.

However, don't consider this comment. Since in Chile we don't have electricity or Internet access, according to your knowledge, this is just being written on a stone, and will never be posted.

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"However, don't consider this comment. Since in Chile we don't have electricity or Internet access, according to your knowledge, this is just being written on a stone, and will never be posted"

unlike most imdb movie message boards, this one seems to be full of funny sarcastic comments.
i applaud ur contribution :D
much funnier than the lame original post its directed at.

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I'm chilean, and about a year ago I visited a REALLY GOOD school in Seattle, WA. One time, I went to a Middle School meeting, to teach the girls and boys about Chile...and well...It was very hard! The kids thought that Chile was in Africa! I mean...C'mon!I Love the States, and I'm sure that a lot of people there is very bright and intelligent...but guys...you should teach your kids a little bit more about other countries! That would help to stop people making mistakes about other countries like the ones this film director did!(embarrasing by the way)
First, we are not a tropical country
Second, Concepcion is not full of factories and churches :S
Third, Concepcion is cold most of the time
Fourth, there are very wealthy people in Chile, and also very poor people...like in every country
Fifth, we don't talk like that guy in the movie!

Chile is beautiful :)!
Just like the States :)

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America isn't a continent split into three parts called "North America", "Central America", and "South America".

Both North America and South America are separate continents unto themselves.

North America is divided up into over 33 countries/territories including The Untied States, Canada, and Mexico. Also included in this list are Anguilla, Antigua, Aruba, Bahamas, Barbados, Barbuda, Belize, Bermuda, The British Virgin Islands, The Caicos Islands, The Cayman Islands, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, The Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Greenland, Grenada, The Grenadines, Guadeloupe, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Martinique, Miquelon, Montserrat, Navassa Island, Netherlands Antilles, Nevis, Nicaragua, Panama, Puerto Rico, Saint Kitts, Saint Lucia, Saint-Pierre, Saint Vincent, Tobago, Trinidad, Turks, and The U.S. Virgin Islands.

South America is divided up into over 15 countries/territories. The list includes Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, The Falkland Islands, French Guiana, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, South Georgia, The South Sandwich Islands, Suriname, Uruguay, and Venezuela.

Central America is a region where the Nothern and Southern American continents meet, which often includes the countries/territories of Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama. However, these countries do not lie in the continent of "Central America" but rather in either North or South America respectively.

There are only 7 continents (with Atlantis being a possible mythological 8th) and "Central America" isn't one of them. The 7 continents are Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, Europe, North America, and South America. Australia also insn't the largest island in the world, that honor belongs to Greenland. Continents are normally defined by historical conventions instead of actual tactonics. I learned this during my first years in school. Curse my functional United States education. Perhaps I should have went to school on the continent of Central America. If you break the continents down into land masses as has been done relatively recently, you get only the 4 "continents" of Africa-Eurasia, the Americas, Antarctica and Australia. Certain parts of the world actually teach that there are as few as only 6 (with North and South America being a single continent). You're the first person I've heard actually add one.

People should really stop bashing those from the United States and calling them uneducated in regards to the "outside world". Not all of us are braindead morons incapable of rational free thought. Assumptions are a terrible thing, and in my opinion show a lack of insight/intellect on the part of the assumer. In respect to that, I won't assume that all Chileans are uneducated based merely on your statements.

Have a great day.

PS: Chile is technically still considered a "Third World Country" in regards to development, so I'd relax and be thankful that you do actually have internet and other technological advancements.

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So go and take a good lesson about History and Geography... dude you're really wrong.

I understand the conception of "America" that people from USA have, but talking about North, Central and South America as three complete different continents made my day laugh. How idiots and ignorants can gringos be???

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Truth be told: Concepcion is an ugly city. It's not caribbean or undevelop but boy, it's not mankind's state of the art city. People there are rude, just a notch below the habitants of Santiago. How sensitive can people be for a surreal scenery ? If Americans decide to visit Chile, they shouldn't schedule a trip to Concepcion...

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Apparently only as ignorant as the "whatever you are" that can't read.

I'm not wrong. I didn't "talk about North, Central and South America as three completely different continents".

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Central America "lies" in North America.

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People will stop bashing "those from United States and calling them uneducated in regards to the outside world" when they do not make bone-head mistakes like the film-makers of this film. Or when they stop telling my Chilean, blonde, fair-skinned CHILEAN father (born and raised) that you don't look "latino" or "Indian". Or like the man from Detroit who asked me "Chile... do they have shopping malls down there?". Or like my "ignorant" North American ex-friend who made a gazillion lame-a$$ statements as we sat in the open patio of a restaurant in Vina Del Mar, Chile, among them "I can't believe how NORMAL the people down here look" and when asked what she meant by "normal", she stated "they look so white" or "I can't believe there's so many buildings here" or "I didn't expect to see so many business people here" . Good riddance.

All the film-makers of this bore-fest film had do was do a GOOGLE search to see what Concepcion really looks like. In this day and age, these types of errors and stereotypes are unacceptable. They got everything wrong. They were either lazy or are just plain ignorant.

And I agree, not all American's are like this at all. My beef are with those I just mentioned, that open their mouths or make these types of movies without thinking.

And as far as Chile being "Technically a Third World Country", there are many, and not just Chileans, who disagree with that label. Anyone who has been to Third World Countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America who then travel to Chile will see the reality. The difference is like night and day.

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HAHAHAHA You rock my world. Anyway, I agree. Ignorance on ANYONE'S part is their own fault, and should be corrected with utmost urgency, since the United States is going down the tubes and has decided to drag the rest of the world with it.

P.S. Texas sucks a big one, yes, but I was born there and I (while this may sound narcissistic, it's true and true of many other Texans) have made a hell of a contribution to the world. So hate the people who move there, not those with the blood of Texas scorching their southern veins.

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That depiction of a chilean city is wrong but ... is Hollywood. Anything is possible. :)
To many posters it sounds strange when americans refer themselves with that name.In Spain we think of USA as "Estados Unidos" and call them "norteamericanos" or "estadounidenses" but as those are longer names lately is common the term "americanos". They are not correct names but we never call a Mexican an American althought we know both are technically americans .

As for the continents America is one , not two continents.



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This makes my head hurt.......

North America is a continent.....South America is a continent.....the western hemisphere has TWO continents......

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I don't believe you.

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You... yankees that have never gone beyond your border state line,like Mrs Daisy's Chauffer(Morgan Freeman) I invite you to come to Chile, SouthAmerica..you will find beautifull(European looking)girls, beaches,Ski resorts in the winter,and party...COME!!!

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Being chileno... why do we have to say "european looking" as though that is the epitome of beauty.

I agree the stereotypes of american films is just to give a predigested image to non travelled vieweres. Rememebr La Casa de Los Espiritus?

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I am from concepcion, chile


this is our city:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concepcion%2C_Chile
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/valparaiso/100_1360.jpg
http://www.rutachile.cl/fotos/ciudades/concepcion-5.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/917/concepcion43qs.jpg

ConcepciĆ³n is the second financial, demographic, administrative, political and commercial nucleus of Chile.

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Chile's second financial, demographic, administrative, political (Congress is there) and commercial nucleus is Valparaiso

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The darker side of Chile is not a caribbean town. That's not even "dark". It's just inaccurate.

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Yeah... there is not even close of any city around here in Chile, not even close to what someone said like the "dark" side.
At fist I think this was a little funny, because I know ConcepciĆ³n and I realized right away it wasn't filmed here, not even the images at the begining, I took it more like a sarcasm, but then I though people who doesn't know a bit of Chile (like the producers or the writers) are going to keep that false image.

By the way, I've seen like five afro-americans here in my whole life, and none of them are chilean... (I totally know the differences between a mestizo and the black people shown on the screen).

The Truth Is Out There

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And in the US you have MORE than willing gringas, who go to bed after just 2 drinks

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Heh, don't sweat over it. I thought it was absolutely hilarious. I mean, the monastery, funny hats, black and indigenous people, children who could speak English, tropical climate, oil companies, and the accent of the Spanish speakers in scene... it was just so surreal. It was like the screenwriter was being intentionally stupid.

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I think this is just the protocol of Hollywood films. Like someone else said you'll see similar stuff about most American cities. Some I can think of are:

Body Heat: It appears that in Mississippi no one has heard of air conditioning.

Independence Day: Contains a crack about gun shots in Los Angeles.

Double Jeopardy: Includes scenes where a person randomly strolls through a cemetery, and a scene where a group of characters refer to the "War of Northern Aggression" (i.e. the US Civil War).

Wrong Turn - Inbred hick cannibals kill midwestern teens unfortunate enough to make a wrong turn in West Virginia.

1001 Maniacs - Southern hicks kill Yankees. (At least some of the hicks are hot this time...)

Miami Vice: Can associating any place with the word "vice" possibly be a compliment?

Arachnophobia: Miserable outlook on life in California (cramped living conditions, earthquakes).

Se7en: New York made to look threadbare.

Oklahoma!: Oh my god.

New York Minute: Makes New York out to be inhabited by Olsens.

And just about any 'gangsta' film ever made...

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i'm completely agree with leonardo-herrera concepcion it's one of the most culturally actives cities in the country.
come on!! afro americans in Chile, i have seen barely 8 in my whole life!!.....tropical climate? not even in the north side of the country, and the english speakers kids? lol, just the 5% of the population of chile, can speak a second language....

While the wicked stand confounded, call me with thy saints surrounded

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I don't know what's more screwed up- That Hollywood makes all Latin countries look like complete holes,

or that all the Chileans seem most offended at the concept of a black chileno.

Chile and Argentina both have the most backwards brainwashed views of race and beauty. I know Chileans that have extreme multiethnic features and dark skin tones that will insist to the grave that they are pure Spanish blooded Europeans. Wake up folks! There's nothing to be ashamed of. Mestizo is beautiful!

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I don't know what's more screwed up- That Hollywood makes all Latin countries look like complete holes,

or that all the Chileans seem most offended at the concept of a black chileno.

Chile and Argentina both have the most backwards brainwashed views of race and beauty. I know Chileans that have extreme multiethnic features and dark skin tones that will insist to the grave that they are pure Spanish blooded Europeans. Wake up folks! There's nothing to be ashamed of. Mestizo is beautiful!

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i'm very proud of my origins and the chilean mapuche blood They fought against the Spaniards for over 300 years, they were brave, expert warriors, and the most important thing, they never hesitate to fight over for their rights.
but afro americans are not even close to de 1% of the whole population in Chile...so the movie lack of veracity, it simply don't represent Concepcion or Chile, it's like to try to make look, china like japan, only beacause the both are asian countries. It's stupid and offensive.
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Whoever mentioned the fact that Hoolywood portrays any city which is not New York or LA wrongfully is right. U.S. Marshalls mentions PAducah, KY, my home town, and makes everyone look like an inbreeding hillbilly, and there are no swamps in PAducah. We have a failry large city as well.

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Yeah! The protrayal of chile in this movie kinda offended me... I mean, from what I heard, Chile is probably the only country of latin america in a better economical position than Mexico.

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And yeah I agree with the thing about America being the whole continent not just the country above Mexico...
and this thing of showing to the Latin people like ignorants and poor...like is a little overplayed now...
They show us like violent,druggies and well almost like cavemen..
and yeah.. this movie was kinda *beep*
BTW I'm from Guatemala
y Con Orgullo Carajo....

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perhaps, like everywhere else, chile just has some really stupid people.
not all of them stupid obviously, just a small group of idiots.
thats who decided to go licking dead bodies in the movie.
that small population of dumbasses.
interestingly, alot of these people are also regulars on IMDB.

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