Martial Artist Vs Professional Boxer ?

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one of the beefs i had with this movie is a boxer being taught diff mix martial arts techniques wouldnt pick up on it as fast as he did. even before i knew michael jai white had several blk belts its obvious in the movie he was trained in diff arts. not to mention in the first fight half the techniques he used wasnt boxing.

Fighting is about knowledge, yes. To a certain degree.

It's also about attitude, fitness and instincts (trained or natural), relaxation and adapting your technique.

Wing tsun has about 20 techniques, you can learn them in a year and spend another 20 year to learn to adapt them to every situation you can think of. That's adaptation...

Bar fights has nothing to do with fighting. As you say that's mostly about wavering around with your arms.

Boxing is also a martial art, just not as stylish as what people usually mean by martial arts.
Some fancy kung fu-styles are just beutiful to watch and useless in a fight.

Boxers tend to do more damage and be able to take more damage than most of the more fancy styles. So does kick-boxers and other full contact styles.

If you never train with power in yout techniques they will be useless in a real fight. Styles with techniques that do too much damage to be traind with power usually looses in a real fight. Try learning to drive a car by never moving it, you now everything to do exceptionally well but can you coordinate it all your first time in traffic?

Kicking is useless if your opponent does not stay at a kicking distance. Keeping yout opponent at kicking distance is very, very hard if he does not want to and his attitude really is to kick your ass.

Grappling is great against one single opponent. Vs multiple opponents you really don't want to get on the ground.
Grappling is great to keep your opponent from striking you, since you usually keep him so close. Of course you need to be able to keep him close for that...

I've done a few years each of shaolin style kung fu, wing chun (slightly diffrent branch than wing tsun), savate, boxing and ju-jitsu (grappling oriented and "ordinary"). No style of those is ultimate compared to the others. Any one of them would loose to any other of them if you can not keep your opponent at the prefered distance. Any one of them can beat any other of them if you either keep your opponent at the prefered distance or are able to adapt to other distances.

This style vs that style is useless. It how you learn it, how you use it, how you adapt it and how you train as a fighter that matters.

The general black belt does not fight as a profession. A professional boxer do. The pro boxer is a trained fighter. The general black belt is martial artist for whom the style means more than the fight. Some general black belts sadly does not realise that difference themselves.

Most successfull professional fighters today are mma, mixed martial artists. They learn to box, kick, wrestle and grapple. I'm not counting style specialist fights here (pure boxing rules, grappling rules etc) but fights as in you do what is needed within certain rules (as in you wear standard protection, no biting etc) like K1 and the likes.

true but ive always wondered if one is experienced in grappling and takes the fight to the ground there at harm of cutting themselves. How many times have you been in a nightclub where the ground has broken glass from bottles and pint glasses, it would be dangerous taking a fight to the ground especailly if your fighting more than one person, who can stamp on you making it hard to get back up.

You ever been in (or seen) a pub brawl? They are nasty, violent affairs that happen so quickly that most of the time you will never see it coming. Drunks are not the slow retards you make them out to be. Anyone fuelled on alcohol and armed with a glass/bottle/chair/whatever is deadlier than any 10th degree black belt.

hahah I LOVED that fight!

Black belts mean nothing. The average amateur boxer would wipe the floor of most black belts.

It comes down to the art. Arts that have been proven to be effective in MMA matches are those that are hands on, such as wrestling, muay thai, boxing, kickboxing, judo, bjj etc. Arts that practices on resisting opponents at full strength & pace. Arts that makes you learn kata's, punch air for 30minutes and score points by touching each other or be disqualified for hitting hard dont do too well. I knew national karate & taekwondo champs who really couldnt fight for crap...Ive had black belts who tell me themselves that they dont use it in a real fight cos the adrenaline throws it all out of the window. Fighters like wrestlers and boxers are used to being hit, used to defending themselves from risk of being KTFO so when they get in the street fight...its like second nature to them.

Boxing is easily the best fist art out there...if you watch MMA all of them have some sort of boxing background, wether its from boxing, muay thai or kickboxing. In kickboxing fights they may not kick much but I dont think the use of the kicks is all that important, it is defence and awareness of the kick. When I first entered into a muay thai gym, I didnt know how to defend against it so they could have broken my leg at will. Defense against kicks sounds simple but its an art and needs to be nurtured, just like defense against punches.

There's a great video on youtube of King Arthur Williams facing a kickboxer. Williams does fine....for the first 5 seconds. Literally 7 seconds into the fight, a good leg kick sends him down. He barely even got a punch in because his opponent kept doing leg kicks. It goes to show, not that boxing is weak, but that it is limited training. Kickboxers toughen their legs to withstand such kicks, and even if they are not good wrestlers or submission artists, great MMA fighters like George St. Pierre and Chuck Liddell have outstanding takedown defense.

So, I think a boxer could beat a martial artist, if they are familiar with what techniques the martial artist is going to use and how to counter them. You don't need to use more than your hands if you can take away everything else the other person is doing. A boxer could train in how to defend against kicks, knees, wrestling, jujitsu, etc. and not need to know how to actually do it. But doing pure boxing training, I don't think it's gonna happen.

It all depends on the situation if it is a street fight the martial artist if trained correctly will win against the boxer. Boxers are trained to one discipline and that's stand up striking with only punches. Most martial artists are well rounded with stand up striking with punches and kicks, and ground fighting skills. That is why boxing isn't as big of a sport anymore compared to mixed martial arts (MMA) I know because I train in mixed martial arts, 95% of all street fights end up on the ground. Boxers have no clue what to do on the ground because they are not trained to. In my opinion there is no style better than one other you have to train in multiple styles to better your techniques. I recommend Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Wrestling, Muay Thai Kick Boxing, and any tradition form of Martial Arts. All help make you a better well round fighter.

Just saw clips from youtube and Aikido beats all other martial arts.

First fight was with a Taekwondo black belt, he basically got stuffed.

2nd was against Aikido Vs KickBoxing, he got stuffed too.

3rd was with some Muay Thai fighter, that was even funnier, as he got taken to the ground at every opportunity. Another fight against 4 others, and the aikido bloke just trashed them all.

But the best was a Ju-Jitsu bloke and he just got killed and made to look very silly.

Check them out. Aikido beats everything you can think of - it's true.

Boxing, well I dunno about that, but I can imagine what would happen.

Boxing is pretty useless, unless you can knock someone out quickly, and considering nearly every martial art uses long range techniques, I can see a boxer getting either taken down to the floor, or kicked to death. But having seen this aikido, I have to admit nothing can beat it.

It's got too many locks, sweeps and parrying type moves for anything to counter it. This karate guy was kicking the other guy, who simple parried him, locked him up and took him to the ground, or threw him like a rag doll.

I'm stunned how effective it was and how effortless it seemed - but I bet it's not. Still, it beats everything.

Sorry boxers!

You should watch Fight Science, a documentary about martial arts. The most effective punch is from a professional boxer. You can practice many different styles an be a very good fighter or try to master only one. The only thing that matters is practice. Practice makes perfect! Hard training transform the body to become a deadly weapon.