Foer and Krauss


Nicloe Krauss, the author of the History of Love, is married to author Jonathan Safran Foer and I have read both of his novels and the History of Love and I just wanted to discuss them in one topic.

Everything is Illuminated by jonathon Safran Foer
I loved it. It was the first one of the three that I read. It's amazing if you haven't read it. Stick with it if you're having trouble in the beginning because I know many people I have suggested it to have said that. It was made into a movie which I have to say I was dissapointed by. It just wasn't as good as the book. I just loved the great layering of the plot that the film didn't capture.

Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close by Foer
I went out and bought this one immediatly after I finished Everything is Illuminated. I can't really decide which one I like more. I liked the characters in this one more than in Illuminated but the plot was better in Illuminated. I totaly bawled at the end. So good. This one is being made into a movie and possibly may be directed by Michel Gondry who directed Eternal Sunshine of the spottless mind. I think as long as they get a good actor to play Oskar this could potentially be a great film.

The History Of Love by Nicole Krauss
I was nervous about this one. I loved her husbands work so much that I thought I would be dissapointed. I was wrong. It is just as good as the first two and I felt the characters were really relateable. Im excited about it being made into a movie and I think CuarĂ³n will be a great director. I hope Alma is played by an unknown. I think she needs to be. I pictured her as Anna Paquin's chracter from Fly Away home but quirkier.


Overall I don't know which one was my favorite. All of them are so great and I would suggest them to anyone who likes to read. What do you guys think?

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I think you were dead on about all you just said auteur. Especially when you wrote about the history of love and the author's styles. At times I would forget I was reading Krauss and think it was Foer. They are both so talented I wouldn't hesitate before buying any book written by either of them.

If I had to choos I would say 1. Everything is Illuminated
2. Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close
3. The History Of Love
Oh, and I also chose Everything Is Illuminated by it's cover and title so I guess Foer did a good job selecting that....haha.

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Huh. I have not read Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close, but I would have to say the opposite of both of you. Whereas I enjoyed Alex's chapters very much in Everything, the other "flashback" chapters that were supposed to be submitted by JSF I found so mythologically absurd and, at times, incredibly vulgar, that I did not enjoy that much at all. Since the movie cut out all of the parts I disliked about the book, I enjoyed it so much more.

On the other hand, Nicole's masterpiece is one of my all-time favorites. Leo touched me so deeply. He is probably the best character I have ever read. How such a young woman can write so movingly from the perspective of an elderly male immigrant, mystifies me. I would literally flip between laughing hysterically in one paragraph to balling uncontrollably at the depths of his tragic loneliness in the next. Hello, the funeral crashing chapter?!! I am anxious to see how they make it work on film.

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I often thought of Foer's book Everything is Illuminated while reading History of Love. However, I found the latter exasperating. I kept thinking, how can the kids who are supposedly good kids go around lying, stealing, and disrupting their mother's work? It seemed like a way of life for them, and I felt it distasteful. If the tone had been comedic that might've worked .. like a "comedy of errors" -- but all that lying about who has called and who hasn't, hiding letters, throwing them away and replacing them with falsified ones, etc. was downright irritating. And after all that effort put into following along I was hoping for a definite resolution, but knowing of Alma's deceptiveness she may not even mention her meeting to her mother.

I have trouble envisioning how this would work onscreen since I don't think movie audiences generally appreciate things that don't ultimately have a "satisfying" ending even if it's a tragic one.

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This movie can not be filmed...it is a fallacy, a lie, a disturbing fantasy to imagine it acted out by b-rate hacks who've never picked up a novel in their lives, and set with a high-pace techno soundtrack in distrubing, livid colors.

Everything is illuminated was a great book, and the movie was horrible, so pathetically bad that it became in fact depressing and broke my spirit - broke my belief that the medium of cinema can ever be anything but pathetic money-mongering drivel produced for the idiot masses. I assume that this book, which I dearly love, will recieve a similar fate and I cringe at the thought, in fact, I'd rather die.

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Alfonso Cuaron is not then-first-time-director Liev Schrieber.

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I don't feel as if Alma and Bird were trying to actually decieve their mother. Alma was only wanting to help her mother fall for someone else because she was still hurting and mourning her husband's death seven years later. Near the last chapter Alma hugged her mom crying and telling her that she just wanted her to be happy. Bird in turn was only trying to help Alma, even though he came to the wrong conclusion of what the problem was, in the end it all worked out. I loved the way it ended though I couldn't help looking forward in my mind and picturing what I hoped would happen next. I hope Alma decided to tell her mom everything. Then I hope she goes to Mescha and tells him that she lied, there was no one else and that it was he that she loved. Whether he decides to forgive Alma or not, well that depends on if he truely loves her, which I think he does. :) Some people think that's too young for love. So not true. I was in love when I was eleven, then thirteen, and the last time I fell in love was when I was fifteen. We were married when I was eighteen, and we've just had our thirteen'th wedding anniversary. We have an eight-year-old daughter and a six-month old son. I still love my husband very very much. More than that, I'm still "in love" with him. :)

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I thought that 'Extremely Loud' and 'History' were very similar and it really bugged me. Since 'Extremely Loud' is my favourite book of all time, I happen to be a bit biased. 'History' was just okay to me.

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well the best part to me, is that foer and krauss both wrote the books BEFORE they even met and married! that's what i had read. to me, that was incredible, because the voice of both authors were so similar or complementary. i did not read everything is illuminated, but extremely loud is a favorite, though hard pressed to say whether or not i love it more than history. it's tough! something about both books makes me feel like i'm falling in love and being heartbroken simultaneously.

so from what i heard, their editors introduced them to each other. i am unsure of fate, but this seemed like a good trick of fate!

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Well, I couldn't disagree with you more on the Foer books. Foer is a spectacularly overrated hack. The first novel was a cheap rewrite of more talented books by more talented writers (do a bit of research on this front). The second novel was a slap in the face of the literary public and an insult to intelligent readers. It was a ridiculously indulgent, emotionally shallow, gimmick-driven bit of nonsense that was written by someone too young and egotistical to treat a real historical tragedy with the grace and respect it deserves.

EL&IC seemed to me -- literally -- to have been conceived in the following manner: "Let's see, what tragic event can I exploit to make my sophomore novel seem **serious?** Ah, 911, of course. How daring of me. And I shall have an oh-so-precious and precocious nine year old genius vegan entomologist Francophile narrator tell the tale! And an oh-so po-mo cartoon of a man jumping to his death (but get it, in reverse!!!) will end my brilliant tale!!! Oh, I am so smart!" Bring on the seven figure advance and the pathetic reviews proclaiming Foer's brilliance. Save for John Updike's fabulous review in The New Yorker, which saw through Foer's shallow hackery.

Krauss is also highly overrated -- she has written just two novels yet the critics fall at her feet as though she is the second coming of Virginia Woolf. Her first book was a ludicrous failure if we are judging by any real standards, written as well as any average M.F.A. thesis, and too "concept" ridden to be effective on any deep level. The History of Love shares *numerous* uncanny similarities with Foer's second book -- written at the same time (though they claim they never share their work -- hah) as has been discussed elsewhere. Who knows what the joke is there. But the book is decently written, NOT a masterpiece. Be honest and move beyond the hype. The film will likely improve upon the book as Cuaron is a very talented director, and he turned a mediocre HP novel into a fabulous meditation on loss and death.

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