"One day when reason overcomes everything and we use logic and rational first and formost we will be rid of all fundamentalist religious groups and believe me, the world will be a much better place. "
By robert-1360
too bad, Robert, that'll probably, most definitely actually, never happen. lol. i'm not to say that i'm imposing religion upon you. I find much that spookysr (or however he spelled his name) to be rubbish. I am Muslim myself, and have done much research in order to fully understand my religion, and just as much research to fully understand the loopholes in others. Sure, you're right Robert, to believe in Logic and Reason. He who casts out logic and reason is blinded by faith. yet he who acknowledges logic and reason, and is able to apply it to his faith in order to understand its truth, is empowered. In Islam, the Qur'an and the Hadiths (quotes and parables of the Prophet Muhammad), contain information that when first looked at seem purely metaphorical, however, when one applies the logic and reason you speak of, they seem much more than just metaphorical, but rather as a truth that is in fact possible. For example, nowhere in any Islamic text does it say that the whole world was flooded during the Prophet Noah's time. In Christianity however, if I'm not wrong, says/implies the flooding of the entire world. Recent findings by Scientists have further provided evidence that only the regions that Noah lived in, and some surrounding regions were flooded, which is very likely and further supports the claims of my religion. However, while researching I have come to find that the Christianity of today, which is based upon the preaching of Paul (Saul as he was called before Christening his own name), is in fact very much different from the Christianity of old. The Christianity we're all familiar with is in fact a combination of the requirements and changes made that were necessary to convert the people Paul came upon in his travels. Early Christians neither ate Pork (as they saw it was a dirty creature that spreads disease), nor drunk wine (as it is a beverage that weakens the mind and spirit and can lead even the most pious astray). They also believed that Jesus was not in fact the son of God, as if he were, then he would in fact be a demigod and therefore his religion would be one of polytheism. He instead was seen as a man, and only a man. Therefore he was only a prophet, and not Son of God.
Now, knowing that, or even just reading that. Go do some research for yourself. Don't read the Bible to find out that information. Read the papers of scholars around the world. On top of that, realize that what I've just said to you is much more logical knowing that pork contains worms which are extremely harmful to the body, and that alcohol is a major factor in crime and deaths. Add to that, how extremely logical and reasonable it is that there is only one God, and that he does not have a son, but rather entrusted a man with the duties of a Prophet, and allowed that man, as he did with Moses before him, the ability to use the power of God to spread his word among a people that could only believe that which they saw in front of their face. That which they knew was divine in aspect was the power of God, which far superceded the trickery of magic. How EXTREMELY logical is that?!? I'm not preaching Islam, though we do believe in the above stated, and I'm not hating Christianity. I'm merely asking you to examine that which you believe. I have been speaking to many recent converts to Islam, and many atheists and agnostics, and have asked them why they've left the respected religion of Christianity, and many have responded with the following: "The priest would say one thing, and then contradict himself wiht another." I'd ask "Give me an example." They would always respond, "He said that there was only one God, but that he was in three forms: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. How can there be a father and son in one?"
Please, go out and find out for yourself. If you find that I am wrong (and have concrete evidence outside of the Bible and extremely biased text such as that found in the Middle Ages when they considered all who weren't Christians heathen, and used the great religion to rob the foreign peoples of the world), you've only empowered yourself, and improved your knowledge of Christianity.
With Great Knowledge, Comes Great Responsibilities,
-M
----Truth is yours to see. Don't be blind to that which is before you. Learn.----------
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spookysr
17 years ago
I'm baffled by both of you - Robert what forensic evidence to you offer to confirm your specious argument?
Vidaverdad you say you have researched Islam but somehow it has escaped you that the Prophet Muhammed did not hate nor oppose Christianity. Well I suppose it depends if you are studying Sunni or Shi'a sects. I believe and pontificate EARLY 1st century versions of Christianity not this Constantine perverse version today. Mohammed would agree with me as he did not reject Jesus Christ nor Yahweh. He even proposed that ALLAH was just another name for Lord or them. You do know that he claimed he was "convinced" to serve Allah by the Christian angel Gabriel in the cave at Hira don't you?
So explain to me why you are rejecting my last posting? Its not Moslems against Christians you know... These hateful Right-Wing Christian Fundamentalists today are totally wrong and hate your religion because they are blinded followers of misguided clerics like Falwell and Robinson who love to have their ears tickled by them. They don't know it yet but they and their pro-Constantine and pro-Zionist friends are a bit against-Christ (albeit unknowingly)... which is not a good thing with time running out...
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vidaverdad
17 years ago
Dude, haha, first of all I'm Muslim. Second, you've actually just agreed with me but put it in a disagreeing statement. Maybe you interpreted my post wrong. Today's Christianity has fallen to the dark side (no offense) but it lacks the fundamental teaching of its hey day. Christianity for the first few centuries was the Christianity that protected the muslims who were exiled from Mecca that went to Abyssinia (Ethiopia) which was ruled by a pious and wise King. However, today, Christianity has been used for personal gain. It only started over a millenium ago however. Today, people follow the religion without stopping to look into the logical fallacies and the ridiculous ideals that the Right-Wing Christian Fundamentalists are pushing. Spooksyr, Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) did not reject the existence of Yahweh (Hebrew name for God), nor the prophethood of Jesus. I agree with you totally on almost everything except for the part where you stated that the angel Gabriel was Christian. How can the Angel Gabriel be a religion? haha. There's no need for him to subscribe to a certain religion. Furthermore, the Angel Gabriel (Jibril in Arabic) has in fact been handing out messages from God to all the Messengers (Prophets with books...so to speak, rather a message that was transcribed down) throughout history.
By the way, I'm quite impressed that you're not just another one of those crazy lunatics on IMDB who are so stubborn in their ways, that they reject the truth before their eyes. Nor do they even try to understand or research that which they don't know, or had no reason to know prior to the posts they read.
-M
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vidaverdad
17 years ago
To be honest spooksyr, I think I meant to disagree with someone else but accidentally put your name in since ur the person who started the topic.
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