MovieChat Forums > Lincoln (2012) Discussion > What a disappointing film

What a disappointing film


Actually, that's not completely accurate. Given Spielberg's track record of making predictable, overwrought, saccharine-soaked films during the past two decades, I didn't really have high expectations going into this film. I was, however, anticipating something genuine and powerful. Lincoln seems tacked together. What's worse, it doesn't feel like its director is passionate about the content at all. The actors all do a fine job (especially Daniel Day-Lewis, who is virtually unrecognizable in this role) and James Spader (what a great performance!). Unfortunately, they're given a sappy, formulaic, and directionless script which all too often relies on long-winded speeches, overly-emotive outbreaks, and preachy sermons. Poor Day-Lewis: he's such a phenomenal actor, but he's been given a role that allows him to do little more than segue from one interminable tirade to another. The best moments are those in between, when one can see his brain furiously attempting to work out everything that's going through it. It's not difficult to believe that this is an exhausted, haunted man who is constantly aware of the weight of his decisions. The problem is that, due to all the problems with the film, it's difficult to care about his decisions at all. As usual, Spielberg chooses to knock us over the head with the gravity of the various situations. He never trusts that his audience can make that determination for themselves. The most unforgivable thing, though, is that Joseph Gordon-Levitt's talent is basically thrown away. His role is neither substantial nor interesting. How one can hire him and not take advantage of his presence, I do not know. But Spielberg has managed to do just that. It's difficult to believe that this is the same person who made Jaws, Close Encounters, ET, or even Saving Private Ryan (which, despite having a bunch of problems, is a far superior film to this). It's really sad-he seems to have completely lost it.

Hell is other people
-Sartre

reply

The most unforgivable thing, though, is that Joseph Gordon-Levitt's talent is basically thrown away. His role is neither substantial nor interesting.


You're nuts. How important was Robert Todd Lincoln to the course of history? He was the President's kid, that's it. JGL took a minor role that he was too talented for.

reply

I can't imagine anyone being surprised, either. It's been literally decades since Spielberg was able to make anything even watchable, much less of any real quality. Spielberg spent much of his career with a chip on his shoulder the size of Gibraltar about the fact that he wanted to be taken seriously as an artist, but, paradoxically, he is absolutely terrified of allowing those in his audience to make up their own minds about anything he shows them, and in no case allows them to do so. Instead, while designing his films, he pre-programs into the narrative what he considers the proper response. To use an example I've cited often, it isn't enough to show the incredible, fast-paced, violent, gory Omaha beach landing segment near the beginning of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN--he has to show the soldier crying and give us the long, slow pan over the corpses to somber John Williams music. Just in case anyone got the impression it was a pleasant experience. That's the work of a terminally insecure hack, not a real filmmaker who deserves to be taken at all seriously.

---
"The Dig"
http://cinemarchaeologist.blogspot.com/

reply

[deleted]

[deleted]

He will certainly be massively downgraded with the passing of time, but I'm not sure it will be to that degree. John Ford was insanely overpraised in his lifetime. His work had some of the same problems as Spielberg's, and though he has certainly been downgraded, he's still insanely overrated (Cahiers du Cinema, for example, had THE SEARCHERS at #10 on their list of best movies of all time, and THE SEARCHERS is fairly awful). Spielberg certainly deserves a massive downgrade, but mainstream cinema is getting dumber, not smarter, and that trend, for as long as it continues, would seem to work in his favor.

---
"The Dig"
http://cinemarchaeologist.blogspot.com/

reply

Spielberg's decline is sad indeed, but to call him a "hack" is a bit strong. Indiana Jones, Close Encounters, Jaws, Private Ryan, Jurassic Park.. all classics of populist cinema, and all will stand up strong in years to come.


"I feel like saying more, but I don't want to ruin the surprise."

reply

Spielberg spent much of his career with a chip on his shoulder the size of Gibraltar about the fact that he wanted to be taken seriously as an artist, but, paradoxically, he is absolutely terrified of allowing those in his audience to make up their own minds about anything he shows them, and in no case allows them to do so. Instead, while designing his films, he pre-programs into the narrative what he considers the proper response. To use an example I've cited often, it isn't enough to show the incredible, fast-paced, violent, gory Omaha beach landing segment near the beginning of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN--he has to show the soldier crying and give us the long, slow pan over the corpses to somber John Williams music.

I agree with you, but the part in SPR when the music is playing over the dead bodies washing onshore was a great scene, certainly not one of Spielberg's worst.

reply

I totally agree Massive snore fest.

reply

Gee, kubrickation, I'm sorry you are too stupid to understand the film.

reply

[deleted]

"emeraldgreen" always with pompous remarks & an elevated opinion of yourself. We're either stupid, not ready to understand what you do, or some other idea that makes you so brilliant. I think I'll block your socks!

reply

Agreed... just add two things... It seem to me to get to close to being a 'message' flick... and it just hit me in the gut as being just so freaking 'politically correc't..
It was good.. and DDLewis was also but I'll still take the Sam Waterson 1988 version anyday.. hard to find..

reply

[deleted]

The academy says it's a great movie, IMDb users give it a respectable 7.5 rating, but a few braindead trolls on this thread say it's a bad movie, fortunately they're outvoted.

reply

it's ok.. don't mind being outvotedd by the 9 out of 10 a holes in this world.
I sleep now.

reply

Wow what a bunch of arm chair frustrated directors here in this thread.

Critiquing Spielberg from the people in this thread is like hearing an blind person critique a painting.

Im surprised you all can spare time from your busy film projects to put down Spielberg's work.

What films have you all made to think you know anything about what your talking about in this thread?

reply

I have to agree that it`s incredibly dull:lacking emotion and any sense of direction.Worth watching for DDL but not much else.

reply

[deleted]

Wow what a bunch of arm chair frustrated directors here in this thread.

Critiquing Spielberg from the people in this thread is like hearing an blind person critique a painting.

Im surprised you all can spare time from your busy film projects to put down Spielberg's work.

What films have you all made to think you know anything about what your talking about in this thread?

^ This^

reply

Hollywood and the PC crowd really went gaga over this movie in the early going.

At one time it was rated 8+ and now it's down to 7.4. That's still too high.

What a boring dreg of a movie. I kept thinking- "When will it end? When will it end?" The 2-1/2 hours seemed like 5.

reply

LOL! ...so many pretentious, condescending douche-bags on this thread trying to sound like expeienced and intelligent film critics.
I got news for you... you're not. You're just a bunch of no-name humps and no one here, especially Speilberg, gives a sh!t what you think.

This is a finely crafted film, and both the writing and direction are superb. If you couldn't comprehend what was taking place, or being said, then that's your failing. If you couldn't stay awake because... there weren't any car chases, then stick to movies of a genre that suits you, like The Expendables.

Stop coming here, wasting peole's time and embarrassing yourselves.


Wolf



"I Drank What?!" - Socrates

reply