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Referenced in last night's presidential debate


I hated this film when I saw it, I sincerely doubt that Abraham Lincoln would have liked this film, and now Hillary Clinton is blaming it for her complete lack of ethics?!?

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Maybe the reason you "hated" this great film was because you weren't paying attention?

As Clinton correctly pointed out, the film portrays Lincoln as a two-faced politician who was not above doing dishonest things if it meant abolishing slavery.

When Trump claimed, "Honest Abe never lied"... well, he's wrong about that. Lincoln covered up the secret meeting with the Confederates, claiming that it wasn't going to happen -- when, in fact, it was.

Clinton knows her history. Trump doesn't.

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Lincoln prevaricated in order to achieve higher, noble ends. Hillary Clinton is a congenital corrupt liar in order to advance her lust for power and money. This truly evil, despicable woman, a felon who compromised our country's sensitive national security secrets and who belongs in prison, will destroy the country that Lincoln described as "the last best hope of earth."

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Lincoln prevaricated in order to achieve higher, noble ends. Hillary Clinton is a congenital corrupt liar in order to advance her lust for power and money. This truly evil, despicable woman, a felon who compromised our country's sensitive national security secrets and who belongs in prison, will destroy the country that Lincoln described as "the last best hope of earth."


What are you referring to? Her emails? WHO CARES? It has no effect on any of us. I want a president who can run a country and can help the American people. Who cares if some emails got deleted? Let's move on to the real issues. 

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Real issues? She has the lowest moral character of any candidate for President, except her rapist husband. She preens herself as defender of women when she hired a private detective, Jack Palladino, to intimidate her husband's victims. She is totally incompetent: her policies of not leaving a reserve force in Iraq against military advice created a vacuum that led to the rise of ISIS. She supported the radical Muslim Brotherhood takeover of Egypt until the people rise up and the military overthrew it. She had Qaddafi killed even tho he was the only stabilizing power in Libya, opening it for ISIS.

She will become a dictator and complete the assault on our Constitution advanced by Obama. She hates many Americans and will flood our country with millions of immigrants and refugees, driving down wages of American workers. Americans are being killed by illegal aliens and she doesn't care.

If you don't think her massive felonies matter, you, like she, are a traitor.

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Real issues? She has the lowest moral character of any candidate for President, except her rapist husband. She preens herself as defender of women when she hired a private detective, Jack Palladino, to intimidate her husband's victims.


How do you know Bill Clinton is a rapist? You weren't there when these alleged crimes took place.

(Also, before you go blaming Hillary for once defending a rapist in court, well: It was her job -- it was a case she didn't even want -- and one of the great things about America is that everyone has a right to a defense).

She is totally incompetent: her policies of not leaving a reserve force in Iraq against military advice created a vacuum that led to the rise of ISIS.


ISIS would not exist if we hadn't been in Iraq in the first place. And yes, Hillary mistakenly voted for the War in Iraq, but only because she was duped into accepting the case for it... like millions of others.

She supported the radical Muslim Brotherhood takeover of Egypt until the people rise up and the military overthrew it.


I'm not familiar with this.

She had Qaddafi killed even tho he was the only stabilizing power in Libya, opening it for ISIS.


Yeah, well, he was not a good guy.

She will become a dictator and complete the assault on our Constitution advanced by Obama. She hates many Americans and will flood our country with millions of immigrants and refugees, driving down wages of American workers. Americans are being killed by illegal aliens and she doesn't care.


WOW!!! Right-wing extremist alert! 

If you don't think her massive felonies matter, you, like she, are a traitor.


I could easily say the same thing about you if you're a Trump supporter. 

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Unlike me you are unable to adduce any facts to support your position, nor do you even try to rebut my points. You are so ignorant you admit you know nothing about the events in Egypt when she and Obama supported the pro sharia terror front Muslim Brotherhood which was so bad, burning churches and more, the people rose up against it. Despite this she and Obama maintained their support for the Brotherhood against our longtime military allies and continued an arms embargo, alienating our longtime military allies and putting them in the arms of Moscow, undoing our prevailing Influence established by Kissinger in the 1970s after the Yom Kippur War.

You also show your ignorance concerning Libya. We were no longer concerned about Qaddaffi because he had given up his nuclear weapons research and foresworn any future interest in nuclear weapons, with actions to our satisfaction. He was the only stabilizing force in that chaotic place and a bulwark against ISIS. Now ISIS marauds across the place and yes of thousands of refugees are leaving Libya's shores adding to Europe's refugee crisis, much of which is attributable to the incompetent Obama-Hillary policies.

As to Iraq, yes, she voted for the war based on faulty intelligence and the war was badly mismanaged. Her vote, of course, was based, like everything she does, on political expediency. However, by 2007-08 the situation had been turned around and the country pacified thanks to General Petreus's surge strategy. Clinton denounced this successful strategy and vilely attacked Petreus for the same sordid reasons the Democrat party turned against the war almost
immediately after voting for it: sheer political
expediency. So Hillary was wrong both times because she has zero principles.

There is so much against her. Let me note Benghazi. She ignored repeated requests for enhanced security, leading to the horrific murders of our Ambassador and three others. Then, at the ceremony at Dover Air Force Base when the caskets were brought home, she lied directly to the parents saying a video provoked the attack when we know she had already emailed her daughter and communicated to an Egyptian official our government's belief that it was a terror attack. And she remained silent as the Obama administration perpetrated the video lie for weeks.

Finally, returning to the emails, let us not forget these were tied to her use of her office in connection with her corrupt foundation to add to the stinking riches of her husband, herself and her daughter. The most corrupt arrangement in U.S. history. Of many illegalities, she used her position to arrange the transfer of twenty percent of U.S. Uranium reserves to a Russian company, which also entailed a $500000 Moscow speaking
fee to her husband. More treason.

In the end, all needs to know about this white trash couple is that in leaving the White House in 2001 they took with them china, furniture and more, much of which they were required to return.

Finally I know Juanita Broaddrick is telling the truth because immediately after the double rape her friend saw her in the hotel room, sobbing, her clothes torn and her lip bleeding profusely. Bill is a known massive serial abuser of women. One of his lovers has said he bit her lip quite hard during sex. I saw the interviews she gave to NBC's Lisa Meyers and more recently to Breitbart. Funny how you liberals blather about women's rights but when one has the courage to speak out against the rapist you love so much suddenly you revert to the old double standard against women.

The Clintons are a cancer on this country and she threatens to become our first dictator, finishing the work of burying our Constitution begun by Obama, himself the worst president since James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson in the nineteenth century.

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you are unable to adduce any facts to support your position


Guess what? I'm about to in a minute. 

You are so ignorant you admit you know nothing about the events in Egypt when she and Obama supported the pro sharia terror front Muslim Brotherhood which was so bad, burning churches and more, the people rose up against it. Despite this she and Obama maintained their support for the Brotherhood against our longtime military allies and continued an arms embargo, alienating our longtime military allies and putting them in the arms of Moscow, undoing our prevailing Influence established by Kissinger in the 1970s after the Yom Kippur War.

You also show your ignorance concerning Libya. We were no longer concerned about Qaddaffi because he had given up his nuclear weapons research and foresworn any future interest in nuclear weapons, with actions to our satisfaction. He was the only stabilizing force in that chaotic place and a bulwark against ISIS. Now ISIS marauds across the place and yes of thousands of refugees are leaving Libya's shores adding to Europe's refugee crisis, much of which is attributable to the incompetent Obama-Hillary policies.


Well, first I'll skip this part. Egypt, Qaddaffi, blah, blah, blah... nobody cares.

As to Iraq, yes, she voted for the war based on faulty intelligence and the war was badly mismanaged. Her vote, of course, was based, like everything she does, on political expediency. However, by 2007-08 the situation had been turned around and the country pacified thanks to General Petreus's surge strategy. Clinton denounced this successful strategy and vilely attacked Petreus for the same sordid reasons the Democrat party turned against the war almost
immediately after voting for it: sheer political
expediency. So Hillary was wrong both times because she has zero principles.


I repeat: WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN IRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE. I don't fault Obama and Clinton for getting us out of there. For you to blame ISIS entirely on them is ridiculous. ISIS was created by our involvement there. It's revenge against America for the way we've destabilized their country.

There is so much against her. Let me note Benghazi. She ignored repeated requests for enhanced security, leading to the horrific murders of our Ambassador and three others. Then, at the ceremony at Dover Air Force Base when the caskets were brought home, she lied directly to the parents saying a video provoked the attack when we know she had already emailed her daughter and communicated to an Egyptian official our government's belief that it was a terror attack. And she remained silent as the Obama administration perpetrated the video lie for weeks.


Okay! Now for those facts you requested!

The thing is: Nobody can prove that Hillary told those parents "a video provoked the attack". Maybe Patricia Smith says so. But if you read this article, several other family members of the Benghazi victims deny that Hillary ever mentioned a video to them:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/18/checking-patricia-smiths-claims-about-clinton-and-/

As for Benghazi itself: I equate it with Hillary the same way that I equate the Bay of Pigs with John F. Kennedy. It was a fiasco, and a terrible tragedy, and several good people died... but we have to move on.

Finally, returning to the emails, let us not forget these were tied to her use of her office in connection with her corrupt foundation to add to the stinking riches of her husband, herself and her daughter. The most corrupt arrangement in U.S. history. Of many illegalities, she used her position to arrange the transfer of twenty percent of U.S. Uranium reserves to a Russian company, which also entailed a $500000 Moscow speaking fee to her husband. More treason.
In the end, all needs to know about this white trash couple is that in leaving the White House in 2001 they took with them china, furniture and more, much of which they were required to return.


Who cares.

Finally I know Juanita Broaddrick is telling the truth because immediately after the double rape her friend saw her in the hotel room, sobbing, her clothes torn and her lip bleeding profusely. Bill is a known massive serial abuser of women. One of his lovers has said he bit her lip quite hard during sex. I saw the interviews she gave to NBC's Lisa Meyers and more recently to Breitbart. Funny how you liberals blather about women's rights but when one has the courage to speak out against the rapist you love so much suddenly you revert to the old double standard against women.


You "know" that she's telling the truth just because her friend says so? Come on. That's not proof.

The Clintons are a cancer on this country and she threatens to become our first dictator, finishing the work of burying our Constitution begun by Obama, himself the worst president since James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson in the nineteenth century.


James Buchanan was a pro-slavery president who accomplished nothing. Andrew Johnson was a pro-Jim Crow Law president who accomplished nothing.

The Clintons restored our economy in the 90's. Obama eliminated Osama bin Laden and helped to nationally-legalize gay marriage. Those are noteworthy achievements.

By the way: Steven Spielberg is a good friend of the Clintons. You gonna accuse him of being a "traitor" as well? You're on the board for one of his movies, after all.


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Your non responses come down to "Blah Blah" and "Who Cares." What an insightful brilliant intellect.

FBI Director Comey recited a long list of Hillary's lies in his July press conference. Blah, Blah, right? She has escaped prosecution to date only because if the moral corruption of Comey, Lynch and Obama. So you don't care if this vile, corrupt criminal may occupy the White House.

I repeat. You are a traitor and it is because of people like you that my country is in such danger.

PS Politifact is a known left-wing propaganda sheet.

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FBI Director Comey recited a long list of Hillary's lies in his July press conference. Blah, Blah, right?


Yep, because WHO CARES! Her emails have nothing to do with us!

Now, as for what Trump intends to do? Banning Muslims, building a wall around Mexico, dishonoring POWs, grabbing women by their genitals? That absolutely affects people, and that, we should totally be worried about. Trump wants to do things that will affect our basic human rights. That's creepy.

I repeat. You are a traitor


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How about Steven Spielberg? Is he a traitor, too, for supporting the Clintons? You're on the board for one of his movies, after all!

it is because of people like you that my country is in such danger


YOUR country? So it's just YOUR country now, and we're not allowed to share it?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, you talk like an angry old American geezer. What are you, like, 80 or something? GO TO BED, GRANDPA!

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Its not your country if you have no fealty to its ideals and want to elect a criminal and a traitor as president, reducing that high office even below the sad level to which it was reduced by her rapist husband.

Your final ad hominem remark is wrong on the facts and like so much else you've written only demonstrates your incapacity and immaturity.

I shall not read or dignify any more of your scribbling. It is because of people like you that this country's future is in such dire danger. You are a disgrace to the hundreds of thousands of men who gave their lives in defense of this country.

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Its not your country if you have no fealty to its ideals and want to elect a criminal and a traitor as president, reducing that high office even below the sad level to which it was reduced by her rapist husband.


Once again -- and I believe this is the THIRD time I've asked you this, yet you keep ignoring it -- do you think Steven Spielberg is a "traitor", too? He is a good friend of the Clintons!

Your final ad hominem remark


Don't forget you fired the first shot by calling me a "traitor". Ad hominem comments hurt, don't they? 

You are a disgrace to the hundreds of thousands of men who gave their lives in defense of this country.


Nope, nice try. Though Trump is certainly a disgrace to those troops -- especially the ones who died as prisoners of war. Or have you no memory of Vietnam and the Bataan Death March? I guess that makes you senile, Grandpa! 

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I was just about to post this. Her asinine response had me in stitches! Lincoln was likely rolling in his grave too!

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I was just about to post this. Her asinine response had me in stitches! Lincoln was likely rolling in his grave too!


Not likely. She didn't say anything that Lincoln would've disagreed with.

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This movie was unfathomably boring. It's was boring to the point of being a bad movie. And that's the best thing one can say about it. If it started Alf as Lincoln, it would have been an improvement. I once tracked dog crap into my house across brand new $500 sq/ft pure white carpet and when I realized it, I thought to myself "at least I'm not watching Lincoln". Lincoln said once "if I was two faced do you think I'd wear this one in public?" I think the present day version of that is "if the Lincoln movie was good, do you think I'd be using it to scrape dog crap from my shoes?" There are all these scenes of Lincoln just sitting there pontificating. That's great. I'm sure he's a great thinker and a great president. And freeing the slaves was cool. But seriously. It doesn't make a movie. It's like watching CSPAN. "The committee recognizes the congressman from Timbuktu". "Yessir. I'd like to raise a point if parliamentary procedure...may it be put into the record that I thought Lincoln was a terrible movie?"

I had a hamster once. It lived for a year and a half in a 10x20 glass case. It would eat and poop and run it a wheel. I though that it must have lived a regretfully boring life. I shuttered at the thought of being a rat in a cage but now I've seen Lincoln.

As bad movies go, there's The Room, the tape of your birth, the instructional video for how to insert a do-it-yourself catheter, then there's Lincoln.

I remember the childhood thrill of seeing the TV cart in the classroom. I also remember seeing a kid being carried off on a stretcher with his brains hanging out after running into a brick wall at recess. Nowadays, with the remote possibility that the TV could be there to show us Lincoln, I'd strongly consider the brick wall.

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