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was Martha Beck a femme fatale as Salma is????


Please!!!!! i think that Salma is a femme fatale in real life; but remember, this is a TRUE HISTORY!, not a new script made for Salma... Martha beck was a very ugly and fat woman, never was even pretty... So if I try to think that Salma will be nominated for an Oscar for play the role of this serial killer, I don´t believe it!!!! and I just remember Charlize Theron in monster, who has in the same role... an ugly serial killer, that she performed really good acting and been loyal to the real look of that serial killer

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This has not been Salma's choice. She looks and acts the way the director tells her to. The same with Charlize Theron: it wasn't Charlize who'd "been loyal to the real look of that serial killer", it was the director. Just a minor point.

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Does anyone remember the earlier version of this story, entitled The Honeymoon Killers? It was set in the late '60s (when it was made) but otherwise quite true to the facts. Martha Beck is played by the amazing--and very large--actress Shirley Stoler. Tony Lo Bianco plays Raymond Fernandez. It's shot in stark black and white and has a hand-held feel in parts. I've never been able to forget it's mix of violence and sick humor. Not coincidentally it's one of John Waters' favorite movies.

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I personally own the movie of The Honeymoon Killers and love it. It is very good and stays pretty true to the facts. I am a crime historian so I watch alot of true crime movies. Lonely Hearts, however, does not stay true to all facts, but for entertainment sake it is not bad. John Travolta is very good, and so are Salma & Jared. However, regardless of how good she was, I still do not like that they chose a slim woman for the part. But, I guess that is neither here nor there now.

I recommend Honeymoon Killers for anyone who wants to see the real story.

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A very good reciew. Reading what you've said, I have no wish to see the film.
(1968) film much better it seems, I have watched it many times, and, Shirley Stoller gets better each time; "Why, your the hottest bitch I've ever seen!"...

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Wow! I finally had a chance to see it at the Coeur d'Alene Film Festival (Idaho) last night - going into it not having seen the previous older films, or knowing much of the "true" story, I was impressed - the acting was superb - Travolta, Gandolfini, Hyak & Leto - all great - hard to watch only because it's such hard, brutal story - awesome filming - can't wait to see how it is received upon release in USA!!

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I agree-saw it today at the CDAFF-Selma Hayek never ceases to amaze me-incredible performance(scary, crazy, freaky bitch!!)-Gandolfini and Leto are awesome. I like that this is not a "star vehicle" for John Travolta, but he's more of the character/glue that pulls it all together. As to the question if Martha was as hot as Salma--NO!! Read some of the true crime reports(I think the website is crimestories.com). Poor Martha was vilified in the press because she was overweight (she weighed 233 when she was arrested) The press was awful to her! She didn't look anything like Salma. But that's OK cuz when you can act your butt off like Salma it really doesn't matter that you don't resemble the real person!!

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No, she was nothing like that. Although, to be fair, in this movie, Salma does at times show the desperation that Martha felt about Raymond. But I some things were different. For one thing, Martha already had children when she met Raymond and she gave them up for him. She apparently was not a good mother anyway. Salma's character was an interesting take on Martha, I will admit that.

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Yea your right. Insanity is only skin deep. Pretty people dont kill in cold blood.
Maybe you sshould google Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo. Then check out Laura Prepons new movie "Karla".

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hahahahah I LOVE timothy's response to previous poster who said that if the real couple were as good looking as salma and jared they wouldn't be serial killers

" by - timothy-jan-atkins on Fri Feb 23 2007 20:03:01
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Yea your right. Insanity is only skin deep. Pretty people dont kill in cold blood.
Maybe you sshould google Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo. Then check out Laura Prepons new movie "Karla". "

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Why is that? You certainly don't believe that because a person is attractive they can't be a sociopath, right? Look at Ted Bundy, Scott Peterson, and many others. Beauty has nothing to do with whether or not a person can kill or be sociopathic.

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Of course beauty matters

It was Martha Beck's appearence that drove her into the clutches of a psycho like Fernandez and desperation that kept her there. Had she been a hotty like Salma, she certainly would have met someone else.

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Actually, I don't think Martha's appearance had anything to do with her gravitating towards a psycho like Fernandez (and it's claimed he turned 'psycho' due to a head injury at age 31). She was unstable way before she met him (due to her being raped at 13 by her brother, having her children taken away, being married and divorced 3 times), so I think it was their 'meshing' of twisted personalities that drew them together, and not their looks. Even if she had been as beautiful as Salma, she would have probably done the same horrible things, if not with the same guy, some other deranged man.

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Is Salma nude in this film? Seems all the actresses who want an oscar nowadays are shwoing nudity (halle berry, kate winslett, marisa tomei, etc.)

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THIS IS NOT A TRUE STORY BY THE BOOK !!!! IF YOU READ ANY OF THE POSTS OR ACTUALLY SAW THE MOVIE YOU WILL SEE THE WORDS "INSPIRED" BY TRUE EVENTS. GET OFF YOUR SOAPBOXES AND ENJOY THE MOVIE FOR WHAT IT IS......ENTERTAINMENT !!

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yeah but is she nude?

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In this morning's Newsday, there was an article about the Lonely Hearts case, since the detective Elmer Robinson (and ultimately, the film's director, his grandson), lived on Long Island. The article made note that Martha Beck weight "over 200 lbs.", making her, to the public, an even uglier, more detestable character. Seems we haven't lost our feelings about large women -- women of size are so ugly and detestable in Hollywood (and I guess they feel that's true of the entire country), that they couldn't cast a woman of size to play one! Same was true of Michelle Pfeiffer playing on film a role originated by Kathy Bates ("Frankie & Johnny"). I'm sure there are countless others.

Salma's a great actress and beautiful inside and out, but in historical films, I think accuracy should trump "box office beauty."

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Great post, Tracey. I couldn't agree more. I think it just says a lot about our culture today that we have to substitute substance for commercial success. Why was it acceptable for Hollywood to make the Honeymoon Killers back in the 60's with a more accurate portrayal of Martha and it's not acceptable today?

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Femme fatale? - hardly! Pictures on the internet show that Martha Beck was obese. She probably weighed over 200 pounds. They had trouble fitting her into the electric chair at Sing Sing prison when she was executed.

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If Salma is nude then i don't care

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nude?

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Watch the movie and find out. But this movie is not a "sex" story or a romance. If you NEED to see Selma nude, try photoshop.

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Yes, there is also another movie but it's in spanish "Deep crimson/ Profundo carmesi", and I think that one is closer to the real story, you should watch it.. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117394/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_44

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I know I'm totally late to the party here but no, the real Martha was quite unattractive & obese. She would've hated a woman as gorgeous as Salma Hayek & would've enjoyed killing her. I thought Salma was good in this role but since I knew what the real Martha looked like, it was weird trying to keep it straight that Salma was playing that monstrous woman. I have no idea why they chose such a cute actress like Salma to play such an ugly & large woman. That actress who plays Garcia on "Criminal Minds" would've been a better fit but even she's too cute to play someone like Martha. Talk about taking some creative liberties!

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