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A woman kills herself at the beginning of the film... Let me know who she is and why she did that? It seems I missed something in the film

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elmer c. robinson's wife. yes you did miss something :)

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My sister and my wife did not understand that part as well. I wonder why. Perhaps it is not clear for many.

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No, I don't think we're dumb. I watched the film in Barcelona, & despite being English had to resort often to the Spanish subtitles to try to understand the growled narrative of the gnarled cop. It wasn't very clear. I suppose the director was trying for the Robert Altman effect but not succeeding. I still don't know why the protagonist's wife committed suicide if she did, so anyone with a superior ear or the written screenplay please enlighten us.
I think this is the same story as told by Leonard Kastle & Arturo Ripstein in cinema. I don't remember any back-story about the investigators in their films. As the story is based on fact, is this suicide based on fact also?

I've now read the director's comment & all becomes clear but it wasn't in the film.

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She was one of Ray Martin's and Martha Becks' confidence game targets. She was in love with Ray and pregnant. Her suicide was a reaction to her walking in on Ray having anal sex with Martha on her table. She believed that Martha was Ray's sister.

All of this was told in her suicide note that wasn't found until later.

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The woman who kills herself in the beginning blows her brains out. She's the wife of the Travolta character, not the woman who slit her wrists in the bathtub.

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But they never give theory why she shhots herself in the head? there was a spot where it almost came out in the father son conversation but still missed

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The son suspects it was because of his father's affair with his colleague, but dad explains the suicide was pre-affair. I'm guessing it was because of his attitude of aloofness, not sharing his work with his family. She got so depressed at the anniversay that she saw no future hope of change. So bang in the bathroom - neat to the end. My last wife did the same thing - but messier.

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In reality ... why would she kill herself. The Travolta character
in real life was probably not so sympathetic and honest. He probably
neglected her and had all kinds of affairs, and she eventually could
not take it anymore. No possibility of divorce or another career.

This movie was so off the mark in terms of reality I don't even
know why they made it ... well, yes I do, stuff some stars into it
and call it a true murder story and it sells. What crap.

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In reality ... why would she kill herself. The Travolta character
in real life was probably not so sympathetic and honest. He probably
neglected her and had all kinds of affairs, and she eventually could
not take it anymore. No possibility of divorce or another career.

This movie was so off the mark in terms of reality I don't even
know why they made it ... well, yes I do, stuff some stars into it
and call it a true murder story and it sells. What crap.


If you paid attention, you'd see that this isn't the fact. FOCUSSSSSS!!!!

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If was indeed that Elmer's wife committed suicide at the beginning of the film. Ones of these movies where we are hit with many characters in rapid succession that makes us watch to figure out what this movie is all about and to read the fine print. The reason why she committed suicide was speculated by Elmer in a conversation with his son, Eddy. Elmer didn't know why, maybe he was too dedicated to his job and not giving her enough attention. But he was portrayed as a tough cop before and after her death. So I am not sure what role starting the movie with her death had to do with the main context of the story.

Basically about two psychopath serial killers that are eventually caught by Elmer and executed, with Elmer reestablishing a relationship with his son.

Did one event have anything to do with the other? I doubt it, ask the writer, but I thought they were on strike.

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What did the things have to do with one another? I think it was more in the mind of the director, who I believe is the grandson of the actual cop being portrayed by Travolta. It was important to HIM about his grandmother's suicide and about his father's relationship with his grandfather. And I suspect that somehow the fact that his grandfather caught and stopped serial murderers somehow made it all seem not as bad as it would have all seemed had he never accomplished much other than business as usual and having affairs.

Armchair psychologist here. ;)

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Elmer's wife's suicide in the beginning set the mood for Elmer's character: his current job (riding a desk) because he couldn't take the grit of detective work. The Lonely Hearts murders brought him out of his funk, allowed him to reconnect to his son and eventually to his girlfriend. For me, it set the film noir mood and made me look at Elmer.

I liked this movie...I had never heard of it. All lead performances were excellent...thought the script could have been buffed up a bit, but I liked the overall look and the period scenes.

Linda

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I just saw this movie for the first time yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it. Yes - Travolta's character's wife is the one who killed herself in the beginning. Based on the dialogue (and subtext), I thought she killed herself for him; when Travolta's character is interviewing Martha she asks him if anyone ever loved him enough to kill or die for him. Not sure if he had the realization at that moment that maybe that's what was in his wife's head, but I just go the impression that he was all about his job and maybe his wife knew that he needed to be free of her in order to fully emerse himself in his job and be the best cop he could be. Of course, had the opposite effect...until the Beck/Fernandez case came along. Came full circle. That's just my interpretation. Really well done film. I stumbled across it last night on cable and am terribly glad I did!

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The woman is the director's grandmother!

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We watched this yesterday. When Elmer is talking to his son about his wife, his son asks if she killed herself because of "that woman". Elmer replies that no, he doesn't think she did, although he agonized over it for a very long time. So I think Elmer *was* seeing Rene when his wife was still alive.

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We watched this yesterday. When Elmer is talking to his son about his wife, his son asks if she killed herself because of "that woman". Elmer replies that no, he doesn't think she did, although he agonized over it for a very long time. So I think Elmer *was* seeing Rene when his wife was still alive.


No. He clearly tells his son this was before he was with Renee. But, he was honest and said that he had thought about having affairs but never did.

Why does it have to be Robinson's fault that she killed herself. Maybe she was the problem and why he was they way he was.

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Not to mention she took off the ring.

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wtf? how many times did they mention this in the movie? and you still didnt put two and two together? lol good luck with something like mulholland drive.

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BlessedB,

Thank you for saying so I didn't have to.

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wtf? how many times did they mention this in the movie? and you still didnt put two and two together? lol good luck with something like mulholland drive.


 Bet these are all people who yap through the whole movie and then say, "I don't unnnerstand......."

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Yeah, so I assumed she killed herself because her
life was crap because she was neglected by the
travolta character, along with his son?

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Um....that is totally incorrect.

So much for attention spans.


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I don't think many people were confused by who this woman was. The problem I felt with the movie was that it led us to believe that we would find some resolution to her motives which we never did. I'm assuming the main purpose of showing the suicide was to somehow explain why John Travolta's character was like he was but the sections with the cops were so downplayed and mumbling that I never really got a true feeling for the characters.

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What kind of analsex? The story never mentions such. Or you are just being sarcastic...

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I had that same question.....what the hell did I miss????:)

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Why does the person have to be dumb to not understand that part? Is your IQ 200?


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Woman who kills herself in the beginning was Travolta's wife. She was lonely and did not get enough love & attention from her husband. Met Raymond somewhere, lied to him about her marital status <Raymond doesn't go for married women> and eventually had an affair. She killed herself when she found out about her pregnancy.

Since there is no explanation in the film for her suicide, this could be one of version of the story.

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Yes, I was beginning to wonder about that, too, at the beginning. But, no, the cop's wife had nothing to do with Raymond's victims except perhaps in the mystery that might always surround a suicide. As other posters said, she was probably lonely as anyone and upset if indeed her husband was having an affair with Rene, the case that posters are making. I just don't see why suicide was necessary though even to make the cop, Elmer, feel guilty. Even in the late 40's, there had to have been a better way out so I can't help but think she was a little off, sorry director who is apparently her grandson.

What I got from all of this is that Elmer coming across another suicide, that of the young pregnant woman in the bathtub, bonded him to the case even if the motives were far different ... or possibly very similar. For him, getting to the bottom of the other woman's suicide may have been a way of working out some issues, somehow triumphing over everything. What I didn't quite understand was why he would quit, which is what I got from the end. Can anyone confirm this?

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Woman who kills herself in the beginning was Travolta's wife. She was lonely and did not get enough love & attention from her husband. Met Raymond somewhere, lied to him about her marital status <Raymond doesn't go for married women> and eventually had an affair. She killed herself when she found out about her pregnancy.

Since there is no explanation in the film for her suicide, this could be one of version of the story.


Yeh, then after she blew her head off, she ran a bath and then hopped in the tub and slit her wrists. Just to be sure she was dead.

Two different women, two different suicides.

Good lord, I'm leaving this thread. Lots of stupidity here.

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Can't see how no one understood...they talked about it through the whole movie.

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