You had absolutely no right to try to do this, it's disgusting. You are so ill-informed about the original that your "actor" pronounces Cesare's name wrong.
You should be mortified.
You should be arrested.
Horrific.
Just because you like something doesn't mean you understand it. Or own it.
"Now I've done it! I've gone and attracted some weirdo's attention!" -Koume, Majora's Mask
And just because you dislike something doesn't mean you can say no one has the right to do it. Oh, and the original is a silent film, or haven't you noticed.
CALIGARI isn't immoral, illegal or fattening, so therefore I am at liberty to like it if I wish - and I do. And I just love the way you folks appear out of the woodwork and turn into 'Movie Police.' So funny. Oh dear me, yes.
EDIT - actually, I think I should be honoured that you're so angry about this that I managed to pry you off your other message board that you post on exclusively, which is SILENT HILL. I'm impressed.
http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/caligari.htm
You must be affiliated with the production to defend a piece of trash like this. To know so little about your source material as to mispronounce one of the main character's names (which is easily discernable information if you're of the historic context of why Cesare was named Cesare) is more than enough of a reason to invalidate this piece of trash.
Caligari is monumental. It is the benchmark for all horror cinema and a true work of art. Simply put this is nothing but a vulgar imitation made by morons, for morons.
Anyone affiliated with the production should be mortified. They should be banned from ever working in film again. This is revolting.
"Now I've done it! I've gone and attracted some weirdo's attention!" -Koume, Majora's Mask
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Did you even read my posts? He was named after a famous historic figure. Anyone who doesn't know this has no business being involved with the film, period.
"Now I've done it! I've gone and attracted some weirdo's attention!" -Koume, Majora's Mask
Ah - you poor soul. You're suffering from a terminal case of misplaced righteous indignation. There is no hope for you. So sad ... the only thing I can suggest is that you keep taking the pills. Or perhaps like Cesare Borgia, you have a penchant for mayhem and poison. The poor lad came to a sticky end, if I remember correctly. Never mind, dear heart - although you must be terribly uncomfortable with your knickers in such a twist.
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For me it's CHEZ-ah-ray, but I suppose Chez-AH-ray might work just as well. One can put the em-PHAS-is on the other syll-A-ble ...
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No, you sure as *beep* can't. I can't make a biopic about Nay-Poo-Leon, or Roo-nayld Ray-jen, and if a character in the film I'm attemtping to remake is named after either of those people then there's no liscense with that either.
But dramatic liscense isn't even a point of contention here, it is just a big, dumb, glaring error.
"Now I've done it! I've gone and attracted some weirdo's attention!" -Koume, Majora's Mask
Goodness me, silenthylian, you do have your head in a dark, smelly place, don't you? Erm ... it's called humour. Y'know ... fun. Having a giggle. Joking. As for the pronunciation ... quite honestly, I really couldn't care less. I was far more incensed by seeing llamas in TROY. And the Romans using stirrups in GLADIATOR. And an 18th century child using the word 'okay' in PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN. And that makes me enough of a sad git without having to worry or be annoyed at a slight ('slight' being the operative word here) mispronunciation of a name in a film that I love.
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HAHAHA I thought I was the only one that noticed the "okay" thing in Pirates. I was really pissing my friends off with that one in '03.
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OH! Now I see! You're the "actor" who portrayed Cesare! I usually don't resort to Internet Speak but there's nothing more appropriate then to tell you that I am R. O. T. F. L. M. A. O. at you and this entire production.
You had no idea how your own character's name was pronounced or who you were based on.
Hysterical.
"Now I've done it! I've gone and attracted some weirdo's attention!" -Koume, Majora's Mask
Oh dear me (Internet speak coming up - LOL!!!!!). So funny, you are. No, I am NOT the actor who portrayed Cesare - I just happen to run his website and I'm proud to do so. I'm also proud to publicise this gorgeous little film in any way possible, as I think it is beautifully made, with a fine cast and innovative camerawork.
But your opinion is your opinion, and you're entitled to it - I'm just somewhat bemused at your vehemence towards a film you obviously haven't seen. Never mind. I can cope with prejudice. And I have a sneaky suspicion that you just like to rattle the bars of the cage and see what happens. That's okay too. I'm used to it, and to be quite honest I can't be bothered with all this silliness. I have better things to do. So why not go back to SILENT HILL and have some erudite, windswept and interesting conversations with the folks on there who might find your opinions relevant.
http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/caligari.htm
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Erm ... the actor who apparently (according to you) 'mispronounces' Cesare's name is the actor who plays Dr Caligari. Get your facts right.
Yep - you're a cage rattler. You can tell I'm incredibly hurt by your insults (yawn), but as I'm an incredibly nice person I'll forgive you. Poor love. So angry. It's just a crying shame such energy can't be channeled into something more positive, but that's life, I guess. Perhaps yoga and a gluten-free diet might help?
http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/caligari.htm
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Huh?? Yep - I think yoga and perhaps a little self purging with ipecac might do the trick.
http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/caligari.htm
LOL. Yes I supposed having my posts erroneously deleted would serve your purposes, being as your sole purpose seems to be posting here in the guise of a 'fan' when really you're affiliated with the production and are simply advertising in hopes of shiling the DVD I assume.
"Put on your black dress, float on your back. Too long, too late." - Belly
Oh, fer goodness sake ... we are a testy little soldier, aren't we? I have far better (and more satisfying) things to do than 'erroneously' (How can such a thing be erroneous? I expect it has to be quite deliberate??) delete your posts, personal though they were beginning to be. Actually, I was quite beginning to enjoy our little 'thrust and parry' conversations, and I was hoping to see how long you could carry on being as insulting as you could without resorting to obcenities.
Well, dear heart, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I am, poor me, naught but a humble fan. Sigh. Much as I would love to be 'affiliated,' I am, truth be told, just a film-going plebian like the rest of us. Coming on the boards here doesn't earn me a single plugged nickel, let alone ... erm ... how do you succinctly put it ... 'shiling the DVD.'
Never mind, old thing. I'm sure you can find something acerbic, not-so-witty and insulting to say about that.
http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/caligari.htm
I have kept up an interest in this message board over recent months, awaiting further developments and hoping to hear of the DVD release for this film, which doesn't seem to be forthcoming. Without resorting to talking about the quality (or lack there of) of the 'reimagined' film again, I just have to say that I find Mizhelenuk's responses patronizing, petulant and ignorant. The person clearly has a lot passion and energy for film- it just appears to me to be possibly misplaced...
A look back over past notices clearly shows that anyone with an ounce of knowledge of cinema or film-making experience who has posted a notice finds the film as it is portrayed in the trailer distasteful and irrelevant, not to mention shoddily produced and hideously acted. There appears to be absolutely nothing original about the concept at all, and everyone connected with the production, website or Screamfest awards seem to be riding their own wave of hype and congratulations- this doesn't mean the film is worth anything on a larger scale.
If Mizhelenuk cares so much about this production, why not put your money where your mouth is- as you are clearly related to the production, I imagine you would not find it too hard to come up with a copy of the film- I'll even send you a recordable DVD. You can send it to me and when I'm finished with it I'll pass it on to whoever else posts an interest. That way we'll all be on the same page and be able to talk much more informatively about it. Unless there is some iminant world wide release I haven't heard of...
If Mizhelenuk cares so much about this production, why not put your money where your mouth is- as you are clearly related to the production, I imagine you would not find it too hard to come up with a copy of the film- I'll even send you a recordable DVD. You can send it to me and when I'm finished with it I'll pass it on to whoever else posts an interest. That way we'll all be on the same page and be able to talk much more informatively about it. Unless there is some iminant world wide release I haven't heard of...
OH! Now I see! You're the "actor" who portrayed Cesare! I usually don't resort to Internet Speak but there's nothing more appropriate then to tell you that I am R. O. T. F. L. M. A. O. at you and this entire production.Did... did you just diss on Doug Jones? THE Doug Jones? You know, the talented and famous actor who's gone farther in life than you could ever hope to? Why, yes, you did. Now that is worth rotflmao over.
No need to argue--let's just dig up Werner Krauss and ask him how he would pronounce Cesare.
If you actually bothered to read what I posted, you'd know why such lengths are completely unnecessary to go to.
"Your friends, what kind of people are they? Do those people think of you as a friend?" -LOZ, MM
SilentHylian - try to live up to your name.
shareInterestingly enough, I run the site www.virtualchainsaw.com where I interviewed Doug Jones about his career. The topic of Caligari came up, and I have now had the chance, via good fortune, to be given a legal screener of the movie via a production company.
I must say I'm quite impressed. It's a very catching movie. My attention, my interest and my curiosity keep getting the better of me when I'm watching it, the acting, is over the top theatric which suits it perfectly and the visual look to the movie is outstanding.
I don't know why SilentHylian is so offended, given he hasn't SEEN the movie yet, but I'm sure he'll get over it once he does.
After all, did you bitch about The Hills Have Eyes being remade? I doubt it.
What about The Hitcher? I doubt it.
Theyre both what, within 30 years?
Caligari, is bordering on a century. 87 years I think? Jesus H Christ.
Are you kidding? Check out the IMDb boards (for starters) if you want to see just how much "bitching" went on with regard to the remakes of both The Hills Have Eyes and The Hitcher.
shareThis movie was a joke, from start to finish. End of story. I thank you.
~Your's is a capricious nature. Do you always blow hot and cold like this?~
Just some info
"How do you pronounce Conrad Veidt's character's name Cesare? Is it pronounce "Seezer", or is it Sez ar"?"
I've always pronounced it "See-zair" but I don't know if that's correct.
Re: Which Nosferatu movie is best? Cesare is pronounced chez-a-ray in its native European dialect.*****http://p079.ezboard.com/Which-Nosferatu-movie-is-best/ftheharoldlloydcommunityfrm7.showMessage?topicID=32.topic
At that time it was one of many places named in honor of Caesar: there were many Caesarias around the Roman world. The way we pronounce Caesaria in English today (suh-SAIR-ee-uh) doesn't sound a great deal like the way we pronounce Jersey today to the non-linguist. But if you think of how the man's name Cesare is pronounced in Italian (CHEZZ-uh-ray) and extend that to Caesaria (chezz-uh-REE-uh) you can better see how the word Caesaria morphed into Jersey (the flip of the z/r to r/z is a common sort of language evolution).*********http://www.westjersey.org/wjh_nova.htm
My Italian friend pronounces it like See-Sar. Infact the title Czar/Tsar came from Caesar. In acient times a part of Egypt supposedly pronounced is Ka Zar.
In the end, I'm not sure if there is a wrong way to say it. It all depends on where you are from and your dialect. It could very well be meant to sound like historys Gaius Julius Caesar. If that is the case, I wish they would have spelled it the same, seeing as it is a silent movie, that way there would be less of a question.
Just info, that's all
Wow...someone got their noodles in a bunch. Why let something as minor as a pronounciation difference destroy a film for you? "Oh no! A character didn't do something the way I do it! Now the film is horrible!" As another poster said, there's no wrong way to pronounce it, really. No big deal, jeeze. Let's see a real complaint that doesn't have to do with something as little as that, and maybe people will take you seriously.
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SilentHylian, seriously...the audacity? Who the hell are you to criticize this project, or someones experiment? Does this movie lessen the original film? Are people NOT going to see the original Caligari because this film exists? Doubtful.....Dr Caligari will live on just fine, it doesn't need a self righteous defender to protect its honor. You're holding this film up like a religious icon.
Just because you disagree with the making of it doesn't mean that the whole film industry should stop and close down. You aren't ever going to see this film (again?) thats all you need to worry about....don't let its very existence work into your brain like a guilty secret...its not really your concern.
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1 - Film blows.
2 - The cretins making it misunderstood the original.
3 - It's a common theme among 2nd-rate remakes. (Name one better than the original on which it was based...)
4 - ???????
5 - PROFIT!
I have opinions of my own, but I don't always agree with them - George Bush