Misandronystic Rubbish

Don't like girls much huh? So the stats you spew are really showing that there is a positive effect to granting women rights, but you conclude that this is a negative aspect. I have not seen the film though I am well aware it is semi-autobiographical and is about Elizabeth Shue. I doubt that she gets preferential treatment in the film, more than likely the opposite. So to disparage the film by saying that it is about a girl doing great at the expense of boys is I would venture to guess quite a stretch. I think of Rudy about a small young man who makes the Notre Dame squad due to incredible moxy and I gotta think this film has the same elements. No, you are not going to see a lot of films about a man triumphing in a female world, cause guess what? It is still a man's world. Of course, there is always "Blades of Glory" I guess. My guess is you are a Bush Republican that feels a woman's place is in the kitchen or a Muslim. But as a man I say bring it on, Girl Power!

And men still get paid more than women do for doing the same work. What's your point? That sexism exists? Of course it does, on both ends. As someone already said in this thread, it's still a man's world, so a movie about a man overcoming obstacles in a woman's world will never be made. Arguing this is like arguing that a movie about an inner-city black kid overcoming the odds and going to college should never be made because it is racist toward caucasians. Equal opportunity is far too new and still very unequal, so stories like these will be sticking around for a very long time.

Huilenowl: you're an idiot.

I'd have more sympathy for (and agree with the majority of )your post if men and women as members of groups were truly treated equally as individuals on their own individual merits and not because of their genitalia. But that isn't happening. Women are still being discrimiinated against, both as individuals AND as a group. It's STILL A MAN'S WORLD. Males still get paid more money for the same or comparable work than females do - STILL. Males have had it their own way, all the educational and social opportunities - the "masculinization" of education, if you will - for the last ten thousand years, and now you complain that men being discriminated against because of merely forty years of change - change that you claim doesn't benefit you as an individual, or your group? Cry me a river, baby child. You have no idea what discrimination or lifelong oppression is. And now you're getting your first taste of it. Good, huh?

When it is just as economically profitable and socially prestigious for both exclusively male and exclusively female groups - THEN it will be "okay for boys to be with just boys sometimes, just as it is for girls".

So...it's okay for girls to score "not much lower" than boys in standardized tests, but it's not okay for boys to score twenty points lower? Gee, thanks - I thought you were saying that it's okay for females to score lower but it's oh so bad for males to score lower. Oh, that IS what you were saying? That when women do better than men, it's unusual, but when men do better than women - that's just normal? Hate to tell ya, but your Freudian slip is showing.

And whining about "misandry" is ridiculous. When males stop discriminating against/envying/hating women - in other words, when misogyny stops - "misandry" will stop. Stop doing things that make others hate you; stop holding others back in order to feel better about yourself, stop buying into the myths of male superiority you've always been taught that end up being another layer of *beep* for you to cut through - and they won't hate you. But that's too simple - and too kind - for you to comprehend. Your attitude is all rooted in your OWN sense of powerlessness.

That's what always makes me laugh at people - both male and female - like you. You and your "reverse sexism" charges, your constant quoting of Rush Lamebrain (as if he were God Almighty instead of a opportunistic drug addict), your "feminazi" sneers, your depiction of "feminists" as man-hating primates with horns and tails, your boring recitation of the "politically correct" litany as a so-called viable rationalization to say and write things that show you to be the pathetic juveniles you are - you KNOW that women are discriminated against and that it is WRONG TO DO SO, but you're NOT willing to do anything about it except complain that it's "sexist" against men for dedicated men AND women to even attempt to correct this inequity.

You're in total denial, and what passes for your brain is up your a$$.

The truth is rarely pure and never simple.--Oscar Wilde

Go learn so more will you

.......why don't you complain about movies that have black people overcome being black in white society.

The story portrays a range of boys, most antagonistic but several supportive. In my experience this is how it really plays out.

My wife has been part of many "male" activities, has consistently done very well, and met with enormous resistance and anger.

An example, which neatly cuts through any argument that the treatment she gets is normal for males: she played the online FPS game "Tribes" which in 2002 was almost exclusively played by males. Her screen name did not indicate her gender. She was consistently ranked as one of the top 10 players in the world by the scorekeeping system. She never advertised her gender, but if it came up she would say she was a girl.

Aside from a small portion of guys who were cool about it, there were basically two reactions: attraction and aggression. The way they interacted with her _changed_. They would put extra effort into antagonizing her and get absolutely outraged when she was able to fend for herself. Or they would hit on her, make rude sexual comments, and sometimes actually fall in love. It was very strange. And since she knew how they acted before they knew she was female, there was no way to hide that it was sexist treatment.

Whatever the political issues and the results of gender affirmative action, you have to admit that women who don't fall into line get harassed. You also have to admit that men that don't fall into line get harassed. Most people are cruel to folks they determine are "different".

I'm not saying that we need to make policy to change that, but I think it's absurd to call out a movie like Gracie as being either unrealistic or flawed simply because it presents this issue. Sure, it's been done before, and sure, there's other sides to the story, but the fact is that these are real issues that young women face if they don't follow the social norms.

Cheers.

Get over it boys!

I am a 60-something year old man with three daughters and a son. All have been involved in sports, some at a high level, and this film is talking about an attitude in the 70s. Bin there, saw that. I was a coach of a mixed soccer team in the 80s when that wasn't "cool". Even our own son was party to some of that attitude - until he played summer (ice)hockey with some awesome girls (we are from Canada, by the way) and got an education. Got his ass kicked until he realized he had to go with the flow and be a team mate. Made some good friends.

At the professional level, very few - very few - women can compete with men in contact sports. But at the highschool level - give them the chance.

It's not about beating down boys, for goodness sake. It's about letting people, no matter what their gender, being their best!

I agree with the thread starter. I really hates the fact that the governments around the developped world made a bunch of policies to have girls succeed more than boys in school. It is sexism against men, or whatever it's called.