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The truth behind the shoes


*some plot spoilers ahead*

This film isn't the kind that throws in small details for fun; there's usually some kind of meaning to it-- like how the dream sequence of Dan's leg shattering wasn't just a bad dream but a foreshadowing of the traffic accident.

To this end, I never quite got why Socrates was wearing two slightly different shoes and why they put so much emphasis on it throughout the film. Then it hit me: Soc himself had once injured his right leg too. Of the two shoes, the right one is darker, newer, and the left shoe is a shade lighter, scruffier. Dan must’ve had a lot of shoes like that at the end of his recovery himself, because his right leg would always be in a cast and so the right shoe would never be worn for a few good months.

If the film is trying to hint that Soc himself was also one who’d gone through a very big personal hurdle such as an injury to achieve (for the lack of a better word) enlightenment, then the mentor-student roles of Soc and Dan suddenly seem to gain a whole new depth.

And if this is truly the case then their exchange at the bar (“how do you know I’m not just your consciousness talking to you?”) suddenly seems rather chilling because in a sense the two of them are mirror images, just a few decades apart.

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Wow. That is the best theory I've heard on the shoe subject. Good job.

We have no friends, we have no enemies, we only have teachers.

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I have to agree. That was an amazing thought

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I have not read the book, but is it possible that Socrates existed only in Dan's mind, or was in fact Millman's older self reaching back to "rescue" the younger Millman? We don't see what happens to Dan after his dismount during the qualifier. Is it possible he did shatter his leg? Granted, there is a note at the end that Dan and the Berkeley team did get a national title, but there is no mention of the results of the Olympic qualifier. So, could his leg have shattered on the dismount, and Socrates/Millman has one shoe that is newer than the other because of the additional long recovery from the new injury. Perhaps Socrates/Millman has an artificial leg. I realize this may not be true of the real-life Millman, but there is no reason the experience of the real Millman and the story Millman must be identical.
Or not.

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That is a fascinating alternate idea for how it might have gone (though not the way the book goes). Kinda makes me think of Luke and Darth Vader both having prosthetic hands!

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I think the dismount went fine; at any rate, the idea behind the movie seems to be that -how- the dismount went is inconsequential. Socrates spent the entire movie trying to get Dan to see that it's not about the destination but the journey. (Socrates: "There is only the journey.")

Dan has completed that journey. Hence, the result (the dismount) is not important.

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I believe it's just an older version of himself, all adds up to me.

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i'd never have thought of that in a million years. it's why i really appreciate this site!

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yea seriously i'm not gonna lie, wat u said is near genius

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err, yeah. I thought that was obvious. I'm guessing Socrates just existed in Dan's head. which is why he disappeared like that. I mean otherwise; what a douchebag he must have been to just quit his job and go away forever without telling anyone.

if it werent for the fact that it's based on true events, I'd say that Joy was imaginary too. I mean, he kept running with her and he slowly managed to run as fast has her? he was running after Joy. joy? get it? it was his search for joy? it's so symbolical it hurts.

then you have to ask about the shoes or how he really got up on the roof and so on but then you realize that...it doesnt matter. and that was the whole point of the movie.

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http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/dmillman.htm

Socrates was real; here is millman discussing.

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i had a similar thought, but i was thinking artificial limb (got a little too creative perhaps). i had since dismissed it, but after seeing folks describe it as genius i'm gonna go ahead and pat myself on the back hehe, nice one OP

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I know I'm many years off to this discussion but since I had a different view on this matter I thought I might as well add it in case anyone found it interesting enough.

So having read the book and the one that focuses on Socrates's life I think it was a mind game created by Socrates himself. Why? It was a play to show that it doesn't matter; do you think having different shoes makes Socrates any less happier? Another reason is that made Dan look at it, sort of like forcing him to ask a question he was NOT going to get an easy answer of. One of my favourite lines given by Socrates is You like having things explained, don't you? There's also a mention in the book about wisdom is attained when one pays attention to one's experience.

Personally if the shoe thing had been a foreshadow to some similar accident Socrates had had too I would have been very disappointed. One of his lessons is that it doesn't matter what particular accident or suffering you are given, it's up to the victim to choose what to do with it.

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