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Kenya tasted vanilla and found SOMETHING NEW...


As an African American male who has seen the growing divide amongst African American men and women, I was a bit hesitant to watch this film. However, I have to say that I enjoyed the majority of the content and can relate to certain aspects.

Surprisingly I found myself relating to the female protagonist due to my experiences in corporate America and surprisingly to none other than the White male love interest.

There was some questionable content. Several scenes bothered me. The Starbucks scene projected a negative image of middle class Black culture. Watch it again. It just speaks buffoonery and dysfunction.

The delivery and presentation of Black men was performed with bad taste. Mike Epps character and Kenya's brother, although employed appeared to be immature and inarticulate fools.

Although Kenya's brother was a lawyer, he could not stop lying and keep a single female. In addition, he had a car, although a gift was a present from his parents. Epps seduced Kenya's friend with tired recited lines.

Blair Underwood's character, was the ideal Black man, who could not deliver the one thing that was missing from Kenya's lifeā€¦ direction and purpose.

I have a question. Why couldn't the White character in this film have been a Black man instead? In fact, I felt like this character. As an individual who left corporate America and started his own successful company, I feel as though corporate America is one of the main reasons why there is so much division amongst African Americans. From the moment we are teenagers, we're focusing on college, then our careers.

The problem that African American men and women have had is that we both have to work harder just to be accepted into the work force. We sacrifice so much to obtain a certain status or position and before we know it, we're pushing 30, wondering what happened.

There are many male Kenyas. I was one of them. I can honestly tell you something, I never really started listening to Black women until I left corporate America.

My career was my life and it distorted my view of reality. This is a problem with Kenya in this film. She is driven and lives so that she can work instead of working in order to live.

Something else that I found to be interesting was the changes that Kenya made when with the White guy. He took her hiking and then she removed her weave. During that scene, there was a song playing, with the lyrics "What you do to me!"
Who did what? Did Black men make Black women put weaves in their hair? We're partly to blame. So many brothers have chased after White women that sisters have found themselves changing their features to appeal to us. In addition, the media in this country has manipulated our sisters for too long. How can you feel good about yourself when every image you see on the way to work is of fair skinned women with features that you do not have?

The only thing that Kenya and her IBM could relate to was problems about being Black. The IBM was lame. The only thing that he could do with her was take her to play golf and that is him imitating a White man. Brothers should take notes.

We're all being assimilated. Instead of being African Americans, we've become a nation of dark skinned White folks.

Our inception into this country is unique. No one is suggesting that we stay angry, but this movie is divisive.

Brothers dating White women is nothing new. For years, too many of us have had trophies and it had a rippled effect.

This movie sends the wrong message. I'm not suggesting that beautiful women stay sad and oppressed. It suggest that a White man is going to take you somewhere that a Black man can't.

This is wrong.

Although this is a film, it has become gospel for some Black women. The negative imagery in this film along with Tyler Perry's films have assisted in destroying the image of Black men in this country.

I have a question for all sisters. Put yourself in Kenya's shoes. Perhaps you're not as accomplished in your career, but find yourself relating to Kenya. You have a nice job, apartment and find yourself single.

Okay. What about the Black men who don't have corporate jobs or perhaps don't have a career with the same stature or prestige. Would you date a Black landscape artist? What about a bus driver?

Some of the dialog in this film seemed so contrived and it seemed as though the writer was trying to make every excuse for Black women too date White men. The father's bathroom speech and Michael Epps speech about color not being relevant were ridiculous. No Black man in this country will tell you that color isn't relevant. This is dialog from a Black woman who isn't dealing with the reality that is still this country.

This country's current structure was founded on racism, don't think that this will ever change.

Why is it that a White man can only deliver SOMETHING NEW?

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There wouldn't have been a movie if the lead were Black. Many Black women who are college educated ARE dating the landscaper, the bus driver, the construction worker. More Black women are college educated than Black men.

Whoever a person finds love with, enjoy.

Brothers dating White men is nothing new. For years, too many of us have had trophies and it had a rippled effect.

Is this a typo?

You're post is a rant and a half. Jesus.

"Sometimes, a girl needs a half." Sex and The City

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Yikes!!!

Did not see that, but you get the point! I guess.

Why is the post a rant? I asked valid questions and did not seek to insult anyone.

The movie should have been made if the lead were Black.

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Jaci,

Why wouldn't this movie have been made if the lead were Black? It would be good to see an African American male who wasn't so predictable and reinforced positive relationships between African Americans. There aren't an overwhelming number of romance movies for African Americans.

You said "Whoever a person finds love with, enjoy." You're generalizing and ignoring valid questions.

I don't watch Sex and The City. Thank god. Their is an abundance of foolishness on television and your pen is possibly providing a contribution.

Keep looking for Jesus. Stop in the book of Proverbs while en route.

Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.-- Proverbs 14:1

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You're dense. You can't have a movie without the Bryan character because Kenya's relationship with Bryan is what the movie is about. Kenya steps outside of her comfort zone and finds "something new". If you want to see a movie about an educated Black woman dating a Black man from a different socioeconomic and educational background, watch Disappearing Acts. You don't make any sense. In one breath, you enjoyed it. In the next, you criticize it because it doesn't fit your Bible toting ideal. Get over it.

Furthermore, my father is a Baptist minister and a very prominent one. Take your bible verse and spew it elsewhere. It's unnecessary and has nothing to do with the movie nor do you have the right to attempt to educate me on the Bible or criticize my siggy. I know the Bible like the back of my hand. You assume because I watch Sex and the City that I don't have faith? You're an imbecile if that's your logic.

Based on your logic, you shouldn't have watch this movie because Kenya and her friends have sex outside of marriage and discuss sex openly. Based on your post history, should I assume you're a big nerd and have a thing for whacked out kung-fu and karate movies?

Keep your judgment to yourself.

"Sometimes, a girl needs a half." Sex and The City

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I'm not dense. I posted a series of questions from my viewpoint and wanted feedback. This movie could have been written to reinforce relationships between African American men and women.

It could have had a similar effect as LOVE JONES.

Why don't I make sense? I explained why I thought the movie was interesting, and then I introduced some questions.

You don't make sense. You mentioned that I posted a rant... Is this not a message board?

Who said that I was trying to educate you on the bible? You mentioned Jesus. I simply introduced a scripture which applied to the discussion.

You claim that you know the bible like the back of your hand and then you mention that your father is a prominent minister. So?

Your father is a prominent minister and you honor him and God, by spending your time reviewing and possibly writing movies that are filled with immorality?

If you knew your bible, then you would use your sword. I never said that anyone shouldn't watch this film. I actually thought it was interesting. As I mentioned, I was surprised with some of the positive content.

I am interested in a wide variety of movies. I'm especially interested in many famous science fiction and martial arts films because of the philosophy behind them.

Like yourself, my father is a minister. I was always fascinated with the stories in the bible. I'm equally interested in mythology and how modern day writers use mythology to address the emotional needs of different people.

Back to you...

You've spent a significant amount of time critiquing me instead of addressing the questions in my "rant."

Don't I have a right to ask questions? Is this not a message board?

I'm not judging anyone. You are. Heed the counsel at Matthew 7:1 "Stop judging that you may not be judged." You called me a nerd. Based on your comment history here on IMDB, you spend a significant amount of time in front of your computer, reading other people's comments and writing responses. Based on IMDB bio, you're also a fiction writer. This suggest that you spend a fair amount of time indoors. These qualities suggest that you, yourself may be a nerd.

Take time to reflect on verses 3 and 4 of Matthew 23. After doing so, you'd realize that you have to take some time to address your own rant and observe its acrimonious tone.

"My father is a Baptist minister" ... "I know the Bible like the back of my hand"... If you are a reflection of your father's knowledge and faith, I'm quite sure that you're being addressed in Matthew 7:23 were it says

"And then will I declare to them, ā€˜I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness."

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You are the one making judgments. I gave you info on my father so that you would know that I have a relationship with Christianity and the Bible just like you felt the need to tell me that you or your parent is a minister.

Your entire post is a judgment but just for you, when my project comes out next year, I will send you clips of the actresses simulating fornication.

You're a Bible toting, uppity whack job.

"Sometimes, a girl needs a half." Sex and The City

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I never said that I was a minister.

My entire post posed questions, and despite what you may think, I tried to reason with the audience here on IMDB.

Aren't you the one who said "I know my Bible like the back of my hand!"

You sound like a "Bible toting, uppity whack job."

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Where am I toting the Bible in my posts? Where am I quoting the Bible in my post? Why are you quoting Bible verses? Does it have ANYTHING to do with this film? No. Do they come across as your need to show that you're superior and have some knowledge that no one else does? Yes. Your post is about you, not really about the movie and it's a drawn out rant.

Since you can't figure out that the entire film plot is based on her dating a White male and making a Black male the lead would make it a completely different film, there is no further discussion. Since you honestly think Kenya got her weave taken out because Bryan took her hiking, there is no further discussion.

Whether you enjoyed it or not, you've made issues in the film too simplistic and you're too narrow to get it.



"Sometimes, a girl needs a half." Sex and The City

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JLOVE75 aka JACIWRITES

You made mention of Jesus. I simply followed suit.

Why are you insulting me? Again, this is a forum to discuss the film. We draw on our own experience in life and create our own conclusions.

All of our post are about what we see. If not, more of us would be reviewing films professionally, instead of wasting our time here on the IMDB message board.

The film is about an African American woman, finding love with a Caucasian male. However, I thought that this film could have been equally effective, if the film featured an African American male, who had similar traits as Bryan.

I'm not far off the mark about Kenya's weave being taken out because of the White male. I've been interviewing a number of African American women, and they've told me that African American men, surprisingly don't appreciate their hair when it is natural.

This film speaks on a larger problem within the African American community. Being narrow would require that you only see things from YOUR perspective. It also would require that I lash out and insult people who are trying to make points.

I haven't done that. You have continually have lashed out at me and you've proven to be some type of IMDB thug who trolls these forums seeking to bash anyone who has an opinion that differs from yours.

I don't understand it. Are you an African American woman?

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Are you seriously trying to say that by me ending a post with JESUS that I brought the Bible into this? You can stop with the attempt at using Jedi mind tricks, it's not working. Kenya's weave was taking out because SHE NEVER WANTED IT TO BEGIN WITH. Did you watch the movie and the scene with her mother calling it her, "glory"? Did you see how uncomfortable she was when Mark told her that he preferred her hair long? He preferred hair that wasn't hers compared to the actual hair on her head. She had the weave because of societal expectations, primarily from Blacks, not Whites.

When you decided to give me a Bible verse and talk about Sex and the City, you started the insults. You had no reason to quote the Bible. It had nothing to do with this film, the thread, or my previous post. You did it because you wanted to "save" someone, show me that I'm making an error in watching the show. You made a judgment and an assumption about me because I watch a show that you consider to be negative.

Yes, I'm Black. Are Black women not supposed to watch Sex and the City or have a social view that isn't secular or monolithic? Are all Black women supposed to fall into the mold that you think will save Black society? Are all Black men supposed to date Black women? The answer to all of those things is a big ass NO. People can date who they want. If they are willing to be with someone and love them regardless of gender or color, so be it. What someone does in their relationship is none of your business.

You are narrow because you can't watch this movie and take it for what it is. The male lead has to be Black for it to be palpable for you. This movie is sending the wrong message? Go watch Jumping The Broom then, which isn't very good.

Bryan doesn't need to be Black, you need to stop trying to make it into something it's not. It's not social commentary, it's an independent film that takes the structure of a commercial romantic comedy and uses a Black lead while looking at interracial dating. That's it. It's fluff.

I've been on this board since 2006 and majority of the posters here are friends. If that's trolling, everyone on IMDB is one. You expected someone to embrace your post and find some comradery and praise for it. Bryan is White for a reason. It wouldn't be Something New if he wasn't. Do you get that? Is it that hard to follow? Apparently it is.

This is pointless. You don't get it and are having a hard time admitting that you started the insults with your unnecessary and ridiculous Bible verse. You have a nice day.

"Sometimes, a girl needs a half." Sex and The City

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JLOVE75 aka JACIWRITES,

I'm not into any JEDIMINDTRICKS, but I am interested in whether or not this movie is divisive.

You have a problem with your ego. Instead of addressing issues and questions that I raised during my first post, you lashed out at me.

I am interested in understanding the symbolism of this movie, so I have questions and I have a right to do so. I didn't participate in any name calling.

The scripture that I first introduced has more to do with the woman who wrote this film and how this film may be causing further division.

I appreciate you sharing your views based on YOUR opinion, but this is not factual and there are serious problems facing the African American community.

Your narrow and you can't get past yourself. I mentioned in my first post that I identified with Bryan. Not because of color, but because of his attitude. I personally did not feel as though African American women are being conditioned to believing that White men are more sensitive and will offer them a lifestyle that African American men will not.

I did not expect praise for my post. What I expected is for someone whose life does not as an African American, is not centered or focused on fictional characters in a series, which may be assimilating or conditioning us to follow certain people.

Bryan could have been an African American male or man from the African diaspora who was different in thinking and did not think so linearly.

Reread your first post. You attempted to shut me down instead of reasoning with me and addressing the questions that I raised.

Let me be the adult here, I did not intend to offend you with the introduction of scripture.

Now... I would like to know more about perspectives on this film.

In addition, as a writer, I would think that you would introduce the perspectives of everyone so that you may benefit in the future.

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Once you decided to give me advice on my television choices, reasoning was out the window and yes, you were offensive. Happy you acknowledged it. I don't have an ego problem, I'm headstrong, there is a difference. I don't think you're used to a woman disagreeing with you adamantly.

It doesn't seem like you really read anything I wrote about the movie and how it really isn't that deep. It was never meant to be. Bryan couldn't have been Black because that wasn't the writer's intention or point. Kriss Turner wanted to tell a story about a woman who finds what she's looking for outside of her cultural and racial spectrum.

Bryan couldn't be Black. The film doesn't work if he is. Just because you relate to Bryan doesn't mean that making Bryan a Black male is reasonable. It changes the plot of the film. He would be her IBM. The film is a wrap in the second act, no reason for a third. Turner would have to maneuver a plot device to keep things going. There's no major conflict as well. Every film has to have one in the first 30 minutes in order to work.

You're going off about a moot point. It's like someone asking me if Casey Anthony would have been found guilty if she was Black. There's no argument there, because she's not.

You've got the ego problem. Where in my first post did I try to shut you down. I answered the questions in your post quickly because they're simplistic questions.

"Sometimes, a girl needs a half." Sex and The City

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@Everyone other than JLOVE75 aka JACIWRITES,

As an African American male who has seen the growing divide amongst African American men and women, I was a bit hesitant to watch this film. However, I have to say that I enjoyed the majority of the content and can relate to certain aspects.

Surprisingly I found myself relating to the female protagonist due to my experiences in corporate America and surprisingly to none other than the White male love interest.

There was some questionable content. Several scenes bothered me. The Starbucks scene projected a negative image of middle class Black culture. Watch it again. It just speaks buffoonery and dysfunction.

The delivery and presentation of Black men was performed with bad taste. Mike Epps character and Kenya's brother, although employed appeared to be immature and inarticulate fools.

Although Kenya's brother was a lawyer, he could not stop lying and keep a single female. In addition, he had a car, although a gift was a present from his parents. Epps seduced Kenya's friend with tired recited lines.

Blair Underwood's character, was the ideal Black man, who could not deliver the one thing that was missing from Kenya's lifeā€¦ direction and purpose.

I have a question. Why couldn't the White character in this film have been a Black man instead? In fact, I felt like this character. As an individual who left corporate America and started his own successful company, I feel as though corporate America is one of the main reasons why there is so much division amongst African Americans. From the moment we are teenagers, we're focusing on college, then our careers.

The problem that African American men and women have had is that we both have to work harder just to be accepted into the work force. We sacrifice so much to obtain a certain status or position and before we know it, we're pushing 30, wondering what happened.

There are many male Kenyas. I was one of them. I can honestly tell you something, I never really started listening to Black women until I left corporate America.

My career was my life and it distorted my view of reality. This is a problem with Kenya in this film. She is driven and lives so that she can work instead of working in order to live.

Something else that I found to be interesting was the changes that Kenya made when with the White guy. He took her hiking and then she removed her weave. During that scene, there was a song playing, with the lyrics "What you do to me!"
Who did what? Did Black men make Black women put weaves in their hair? We're partly to blame. So many brothers have chased after White women that sisters have found themselves changing their features to appeal to us. In addition, the media in this country has manipulated our sisters for too long. How can you feel good about yourself when every image you see on the way to work is of fair skinned women with features that you do not have?

The only thing that Kenya and her IBM could relate to was problems about being Black. The IBM was lame. The only thing that he could do with her was take her to play golf and that is him imitating a White man. Brothers should take notes.

We're all being assimilated. Instead of being African Americans, we've become a nation of dark skinned White folks.

Our inception into this country is unique. No one is suggesting that we stay angry, but this movie is divisive.

Brothers dating White women is nothing new. For years, too many of us have had trophies and it had a rippled effect.

This movie sends the wrong message. I'm not suggesting that beautiful women stay sad and oppressed. It suggest that a White man is going to take you somewhere that a Black man can't.

This is wrong.

Although this is a film, it has become gospel for some Black women. The negative imagery in this film along with Tyler Perry's films have assisted in destroying the image of Black men in this country.

I have a question for all sisters. Put yourself in Kenya's shoes. Perhaps you're not as accomplished in your career, but find yourself relating to Kenya. You have a nice job, apartment and find yourself single.

Okay. What about the Black men who don't have corporate jobs or perhaps don't have a career with the same stature or prestige. Would you date a Black landscape artist? What about a bus driver?

Some of the dialog in this film seemed so contrived and it seemed as though the writer was trying to make every excuse for Black women too date White men. The father's bathroom speech and Michael Epps speech about color not being relevant were ridiculous. No Black man in this country will tell you that color isn't relevant. This is dialog from a Black woman who isn't dealing with the reality that is still this country.

This country's current structure was founded on racism, don't think that this will ever change.

Why is it that a White man can only deliver SOMETHING NEW?

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There is no symbolism in this film other than the sequence when she is hiking with Bryan and it's damp and dark in the cave and on the other side, there is light and the scene where their hands are merged together and they appear to be one color initially. Question, why did you post this again?

I'm not AKA JaciWrites. Just for you, I'll go back to my previous ID since it bothers you so much that you have to point it out.

"Sometimes, a girl needs a half." Sex and The City

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Jaciwrites,

You have to reread your first reply. Who wouldn't be offended by this statement
"You're post is a rant and a half. Jesus."

Be realistic. Is this not offensive? Was that necessary? How would you feel if you read that? You being headstrong, how would you have replied?

Although I included a typo, I addressed the fact that AA men have been chasing after trophies for years.

This film is filled with symbolism. From my perspective, as an African American male, I ventured into this film with reluctance. Overall, I thought the film was decent, but somewhat divisive.

You're looking at this film as a screenplay writer.I'm looking at things holistically. The messages that AA women may take away from this film. I found out about this film, while performing research on the growing number of AA women who are not only dating outside of their race, but who only seek White men.

I feel that many AA women are no longer interested in dating AA men. Many of us are being written off. I'm critical of any film that suggest that African Americans, male or female should intentionally look outside of their race. That is my opinion and I am allowed to have it.

You mentioned a good point. You said that the writer is telling the story of a "woman who finds what she's looking for outside of her cultural and racial spectrum." This film could have easily addressed the division between the lower Black middle class and the Black bourgeois class. In fact, I noticed a number of people on the message board inquiring about or even wondering if the Black bourgeois even exists. It could have been equally effective.

Now, back to what you said. What does Kenya's "culture and racial spectrum" consist of in this film? Aren't the men somewhat buffoonish? Outside of her culture would indicate that she's frustrated with places like the Starbucks setting. The gangsta rap music set the tone for a scene, that suggest that our Black middle class, specifically the men are wannabe players and at their best, unable to relate to a professional AA female.

Although my interest in film vary, I am concerned about the way AA men are being depicted in film as of late. Tyler Perry's films in particular, are disturbing.

It is impossible for me to understand what many AA females are going through. However, as I originally posted, there are many brothers in the same position as Kenya. I believe I mentioned that brothers should be taking notes.

I made reference to the bible scripture, talking about a foolish woman tearing her house down. That had nothing to do with you, although I advised you to read the scripture. I was talking about the writer and how this film may indirectly be contributing to descension amongst African Americans.

You're stating that this film could not have worked with an AA male who offered something new to Kenya's world. Fine. Why not another man of color, another individual who introduced Kenya to a new culture, language and lifestyle. This movie was written to suggest that professional AA women, have to look outside of their race to find a man that is going to offer adventure and new experiences.

I would not have had a problem if the AA men in this film were presented differently. Blair Underwood's character represented a large number of AA men who are professional and want relationships with AA women. At his best, he was boring and couldn't stimulate his AA woman. The only thing they had in common was their gripes about working "on the plantation" and that can suggest that our culture, when it comes down to it is negative and pessimistic. The only way to escape the dysfunction is to go to the opposite end of the spectrum.

As a writer, I'm interested in the symbolism and metaphor behind films. As you may have noticed, when you read my postings on George Lucas's films, I'm interested in the philosophy of films. Joseph Campbell has done an excellent job of dissecting stories, while helping writers and readers to understand the structure and meaning of metaphor and symbolism in film.

Kenya is a symbol and she represents a number of African American women who feel as though, that in order to find something refreshing in life, something stimulating, they need to date outside of our race. Specifically seeking White men. Considering our history in this country and the current conditions, we can't just give up on ourselves. We have to fight. Spike Lee can't carry the load. There should be more AA writers who are making positive contributions to our culture, starting with the family.

Both of us have ego problems or like you said, headstrong.

I still value the opinions of others, so I posted here on the message board. I specifically wanted to hear from AA females.

I'm going to go a step further and ask that you, a writer, someone whose projects will come into fruition (or may have already), I'm hoping that you'd consider writing scripts that includes AA men who were a contradiction to the players, booty chasers, buffoons and gangstas we see continually. If not just be mindful of us.

This film is hard to digest, when I see the very thing that I love, that being AA women and them seeking comfort with the very individuals who have been the main cause of distress and division between us.

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I've been accused of ranting, it's not offensive. In fact, just last week, I was told I was ranting about a racial issue that was brought up on the SATC board. Maybe I was but I wasn't offended.

My project has several Black male characters that are positive, including a late father seen in flashback. I even had to break ties with the first director due to her wanting one male character to be abusive and an alcoholic. I think she had just seen For Colored Girls and she thought that idea would work. It wasn't going to work for me.

Kriss Turner wanted to write a certain type of film. She's a former TV writer. She wrote for Everybody Hates Chris, Girlfriends, and several other shows. I think this was an area of interest to her and she decided to write a script about it. I don't see Mike Epps and Donald Faison as negative characters. Epps' character is a cook. He becomes involved with a woman who is a judge. They form a relationship based on compatibility. I also think he's the comic relief. Every Black themed romantic comedy has one. Bill Bellamy was the comic relief in Love Jones.

Faison's character was like many men of different races. Looking for Ms. Perfect and any imperfection, he was out. He ends up with Kenya's friend who is OLDER. That's what he needed. What I think most people miss is that he had a list just like Kenya. He just went about finding a match in a completely different way. Kenya's father is positive. I think Mark is not bad as well, he just wasn't right for Kenya.

Personally, I don't feel that all White people are the cause for division. Many our issues come from within. Issues with skin hue that we continue to perpetuate, issues with education that we're not trying to fix. I'm teach English Lit and Developmental Writing. I also teach Women Studies. Our issues are deeper than race. It's more class and political than anything.

I actually had a 37 year old student write GUD instead of GOOD on her paper. Many students write they way they text and she's one of them. She told me she doesn't like rap music because women are referred to as bitches and hoes but she promptly called a male classmate the n-word, as if there's a difference in derogatory language towards men.





"Sometimes, a girl needs a half." Sex and The City

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Jaci,

Thanks for this response. I appreciate these observations and the analysis you've made.

It's good to know that certain writers are concerned with the way Africans Americans are represented in their projects.

We definitely have a number of internal problems. For that reason, I'd like to see more films addressing our problems, instead of us perhaps giving up on one another.

Are Whites to blame for the divisions that exist within the AA community? Partially. We definitely have to blame ourselves, but for the most part, we're not in control of the media, nor do we have control of how we're being represented or misrepresented at times.

Ishmael Reed has addressed the new attack that we're facing, in a book entitled BARACK OBAMA AND THE JIM CROW MEDIA, THE RETURN OF THE *beep* BREAKERS. He does a good job of illustrating how statistics are being manipulated or presented in such a way, which perpetuates division amongst us.

Willie Lynch syndrome is still in effect.

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>we're not in control of the media, nor do we have control of how we're being represented or misrepresented at times.

guys, this is a big alibi. There are a lot of black directors, there are a lot of people watching black movies, also in Europe, if you're represented or misrepresented is because you want it and you can decide how people will see you.

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Diva-75, so true. Most problems are not about black women wanting white men. Is Clark-21 really trying to say that this is a problem? The last time I looked, most black women are single with black babies and no black daddies marrying them. And the rich black men are too busy looking for the white trophy wife, and many actually snub black women as if every black women wants their hooks in them. Like Clark-21, when they are rich, few are looking for "strong, black, independent women". Why don't rich black men go date poor black women from poor or middle class lifestyles?

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Jaime,

Thanks for your input. I was just trying to make sense of what I saw in the film. In addition, my conversations with some sisters have led me to believe that AA men were indirectly and some instances, directly telling them that they needed to abandon their natural hair.

I'm less interested in AA weaves that have to do with beauty. I'm more interested in addressing or trying to understand our women that feel as though they must change themselves to be a "professional."

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Where is the Something New in a standard Black woman with a Black man relationship?? Hadn't enough of those films already been produced?? Like Love & Basketball, Love Jones and The Best Man.....just to name a few.


The whole point of the movie had more to do with Kenya and the stick she carried up her butt~~ not how a white man can only deliver Something New.





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Thank You Gingerale somebody just needed some validation from the black women on here.

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@Ginger - I appreciate your point of view. Didn't really see Kenya as being uptight, but in retrospect we've had a number of Black man and woman relationships.

I would be interested in seeing a film in which a AA male protagonist, professional, seeks a relationship with a White woman. I'm interested in seeing how people would react.

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Have you seen, I'm Through With White Girls? Similar theme and he ends up with a Black woman.

"Sometimes, a girl needs a half." Sex and The City

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>Why couldn't the White character in this film have been a Black man instead?

If there was a black character instead the white, it became the usual black movie from USA..

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"However, I have to say that I enjoyed the majority of the content and can relate to certain aspects."
---Just curious - which parts did you enjoy because you proceed to tear apart most of the films characters and actors below.

" The Starbucks scene projected a negative image of middle class Black culture. Watch it again. It just speaks buffoonery and dysfunction."
---I saw nothing that was dysfunctional or buffoonish in that scene. you need to clarify which aspect of that scene you found dysfunctional.

"The delivery and presentation of Black men was performed with bad taste."
---I thought the presentation of black men was fine. I enjoyed the portrayal of Mike Epps character in this film more than any other. He was a successful chef who had a good relationship with a black woman and who looked out for Kenya like a sister. What was your problem with Mike Epps' character exactly? How was he immature and inarticulate? He didn't seduce Kenya's friend with his lines but he eventually won her over. Kenya's brother was a typical younger brother and I loved their chemistry. I loved that he was annoying but that he was close to his sister that he used to check up on her and try to set her up on dates. And despite being a pesky brother, we know that he graduated with honors from Law School which means he was smart. Kenya's father was a great dad. And Blair's character was a mature, articulate, go-getter. Had she met him before Brian it may have worked out.


"I have a question. Why couldn't the White character in this film have been a Black man instead?"
---Because the movie was about interracial dating and black women being open to it (or not being open to it) and some of the issues that can come with it. That was the point of the movie. It's like watching Love and Basketball and asking why the movie could not have been about baseball. Whoever wrote it probably wrote from some experience.

"There are many male Kenyas. I was one of them. I can honestly tell you something, I never really started listening to Black women until I left corporate America. "
----What do you mean you never really started listening to them?

"Something else that I found to be interesting was the changes that Kenya made when with the White guy. He took her hiking and then she removed her weave. During that scene, there was a song playing, with the lyrics "What you do to me!"
----During what scene? The hiking and the weave thing did not happen at the same time.

"Who did what? Did Black men make Black women put weaves in their hair? We're partly to blame. So many brothers have chased after White women that sisters have found themselves changing their features to appeal to us. In addition, the media in this country has manipulated our sisters for too long. How can you feel good about yourself when every image you see on the way to work is of fair skinned women with features that you do not have?"
----Okay....so I think you answered your own question here.

"The only thing that Kenya and her IBM could relate to was problems about being Black. The IBM was lame. The only thing that he could do with her was take her to play golf and that is him imitating a White man."
----Many black people play golf today!!!

"This movie sends the wrong message. I'm not suggesting that beautiful women stay sad and oppressed. It suggest that a White man is going to take you somewhere that a Black man can't."
----That's not what the movie suggests. The movie suggests to "be open and to be spontaneous" to something new. Whatever new is to you. In this movie - it was race, her being open to color, showing her own hair, having a dog, her judge friend dated a black chef. This movie had a great message.

Although this is a film, it has become gospel for some Black women.
-----That is a bit of an overstatement. It is not gospel. It's a movie.

"The negative imagery in this film along with Tyler Perry's films have assisted in destroying the image of Black men in this country."
---- There is no negative imagery in this film and all of Tyler's films have positive "fairytale" black males. ALL!!!! And they are usually blue collar guys (characters played by Boris Kodjoe, Shemar Moore, Idris Elba, Rockmund Dunbar, Lanman Rucker, Rick Fox, Derek Luke)

"What about the Black men who don't have corporate jobs or perhaps don't have a career with the same stature or prestige. Would you date a Black landscape artist? What about a bus driver?"
---- I don't know about stature or prestige, butI I would like to know why black women are consistently being asked to date beneath their financial status? I have to agree with Steve Harvey on this - men are defined by what they do, what they make and their ability to protect and take care of their woman.

"Why is it that a White man can only deliver SOMETHING NEW? "
--- Other persons have suggested other movies that have black men in them but if that doesn't suit you perhaps you need to look into writing your own story with the characters and dialogue that you wish to see represented.

"They told you you were stupid, ugly and doomed to fail............and you believed them"

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I saw nothing that was dysfunctional or buffoonish in that scene.


Really?? The way she acted as if she didn't want the black patrons to know she was with the white guy-that was pure buffonery if you ask me. It really didn't fit with who Kenya was. The way she went out of her way to convince the black patrons that she was "down" was so stupid.

Excuse me--ya'll lookin' for a dead body??

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I have to admit, I thought that scene was a stretch but it was meant for comedic purposes. Not that funny.

"Sometimes, a girl needs a half." Sex and The City

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Really?? The way she acted as if she didn't want the black patrons to know she was with the white guy-that was pure buffonery if you ask me. It really didn't fit with who Kenya was. The way she went out of her way to convince the black patrons that she was "down" was so stupid.
Clearlyit did fit Kenya because of her family who were proud elite black folks. She didn't expect a white guy and she didn't want the black patrons in the coffee shop to know that she was with a white guy. This was evident when her brother came by her house and made fun of her for "hearing" that she had been on a date with a white guy and then when he outed her to their parents.

I could totally understand her being uncomfortable. She may have felt a need to act down too because of her job with an elite mostly-white firm.This would add to the fact that she was with a white guy in a predominantly black location. Sadly some blacks are racists too and put others down for dating outside of their race. I could totally identify with her nerves. I think buffoonery is a bit over the top. Maybe had she started being all loud and carrying on like a "steretypical- ghetto" chick then I could see it. But I liked that scene.


"They told you you were stupid, ugly and doomed to fail............and you believed them"

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It wouldn't have made sense to have a black male in the lead role because the entire movie was about how she was letting her own preconceived notions of what she needed and/or wanted in a man stop her from really opening up and find a connection with someone, regardless of what her family or friends thought about said man.

That, and that we should not let race dictate whether or not someone is a suitable match for us, whether it be a black woman and white man, a black man and native American woman, a Chinese woman and white man... Fill in the blanks as you wish.

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There is no cultural gap like the OP suggests. The movie is written AND directed by black women because it is FOR black women.

There is a very large gap between black women and black men. The movie is specifically addressing the corporate black woman who is rising up the economic ladder very quickly while black men are still left behind. Because of this they are considering other options for love.

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I'm sorry, were you attempting to add to my statement or disagree with it?

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I think offering an opinion succinctly might make seem less of a rant in response the other post comment. Whilst I found the way the film is written quite naff and contrived, I think this criticism:

"This is dialog from a Black woman who isn't dealing with the reality that is still this country."

is a little off. Seems unfair to assume because her experience does not match yours, she is less honest or realistic a writer. What you have is a string of theories about race and relationships in the US based only on your experiences, which cannot speak for everyone. As a black woman with a relationship history of partners from different socioeconomic and racial backgrounds, this is an important niche plot for me, one that is not addressed nearly enough. To trivialize the plot for the reasons you have stated I do not agree with.

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Gosh darn it.
I feel sorry for people who just can't watch this movie and enjoy the fact that two HUMAN BEINGS fell in love.
That was the message I got. That color, and lists, and this perfect idea are all *beep* All we have is connection, human emotions, and love.

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This, seriously. I don't see why anyone, of any race, wouldn't be able to appreciate this sort of movie simply for what it is. Race was obviously a main component of the film, but at its core it was just a love story.

This statement from the OP is particularly nauseating though: "This movie sends the wrong message. I'm not suggesting that beautiful women stay sad and oppressed. It suggest that a White man is going to take you somewhere that a Black man can't. "

Seriously? That's what you got out of the movie? If that's your take away, you need to look in the mirror. Not at your skin tone, but at your own prejudices, shortcomings and especially insecurities. This movie showed MANY successful black people and even more happy black couples. Unless I'm mistaken, I counted a grand total of 1 interracial couple, Brian and Kenya, where a "white man was taking a black woman somewhere a black man can't" and it had nothing to do with him being white. They just happened to be compatible on a human level. They were compatible in spite of their racial differences, not because of it.

Why does it always seem that the people most irritated by and affected by "racism" are the ones continually perpetuating it by always looking for it, everywhere?

The reality of our world is that black men date (and marry) outside of their own race more than black women do. Naturally, that leaves the pool of black men thinner for black women to date. It's simple math. Are these women supposed to just be lonely? I'd certainly rather just date whoever the heck I want and not care one bit what the world thinks of it.

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PORTIS...AMEN! Loved your response.It's about time black women stopped falling for that stupid line that they shouldn't date men who aren't black! They should date whoever will make them happy and offer them a life and partnership, security, family, etc, etc.

The person who started this thread admitted to dating white women. His statement was like, "stay put until we want you" except that he didn't want a black woman himself. Sounds like jealousy that she was able to find something with a man of a different color. She has absolutely NO REASON TO FEEL LIKE A TRAITOR for falling for a white man.

The whole weave issue has to do with black men being attracted to white women. Why should a black woman feel prettier with a weave? Brian, the white man, thought all of her was beautiful, even her natural hair. Her IBM wanted her to grow her hair long and wanted her to grow it out. As a "yellow" black woman I can attest this is a common mentality among many black men, even the ones who do date black women.

I used to wear my hair natural. A black man who sat in a cubbie next to me one day when I straightened my hair wondered why I didn't do it all the time, as it was a lot longer straightened than curled. It was evident he thought I looked much more attractive with straight hair and wondered why I didn't straighten it all the time.

High time black women started dating men of any race. Quit worrying what other people will think or call you. Life is too short to live your life according to what the Jones think, or the person who started this thread.

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