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The Team Challenge Is Hilarious


It happens all the time; the most talented designers with the biggest egos go down in flames while the scatter-brained "also-rans" come together like "Revenge Of the Nerds" and kill it! Team Unity finished early, worked well together, and even had time to critique the other team at length! Then on the runway, there's this huge psychological torture Heidi puts the losing team through by asking each "who should go home?!" What is with all the crying and almost collapsing into each others' arms?  

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I don't think it's right, in a case where the team obviously got on together, to ask them who should go home. It's the wrong kind of putting on the spot (and is the wrong kind of drama for the audience).

I liked both teams, but I wasn't crazy about many of Team Button Bag's designs. I liked Unity's collection better overall. Oh, well.

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I completely agree. It creates unnecessary drama asking them to eliminate someone. I think if they ask who should go home and no one speaks up. Just leave it! The judges treat them like children sometimes.

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I disagree. You can't have it both ways. As a team, you have to be objective. All the crying and cumbaya feelings is irrelevant. The real world in business knows when to cut a team member. It happens all the time.

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I disagree. You can't have it both ways. As a team, you have to be objective. All the crying and cumbaya feelings is irrelevant. The real world in business knows when to cut a team member. It happens all the time.


In the case where the team actually fails, or if there's discordance within the team, the question is totally valid.

However, in this case, "failure" is an extremely subjective term in that: the collection was cohesive, and for the most part, well constructed (there were construction issued on the other team as well); and the judges even said that, given the financial constraints, Team Unity had done extremely well. The failure was in the misconstruing of the vision, based mainly on anxiety from the pitch.

There was also no discordance within either team: both worked very well together, communicated, and executed well under the extreme time constraint.

In such a situation, in the real world, there would be actual discussion between the investors and the team (and there would have been at least one conference between investors/team before the final presentation as well). In the real world, with a well-integrated team like both Button and Unity, there would less discussion about taking someone out and more along the lines of adjusting expectations and results from both investor and team.

Now. To me, during the pitch, the judges were responding to energy level more than anything else: Button was disorganized and enthusiastic, with bubbling energy from Dexter and the team. Unity was more low-key, very on-point, led by the quiet, confident articulation of Alex. The judges responded better to the high energy of Button, and even though I felt the description of their vision wasn't as clear as Unity's, I could understand how that could be. The clear preference ate at Unity's confidence in their vision, but I still don't feel, based on their product, that they failed - I wouldn't wear *any* of the teams' designs to my conservative office, so on that score, to me, both teams "failed". So I viewed them simply as attractive pieces of clothing. Based on that criterion, neither team "failed". The judges responded to Button better than to Unity, but to me, it was more subjective than otherwise.

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Couldn't have said it better myself. I agree.

This was the only time I've ever seen the question completely unnecessary because everyone worked well together. I just think if Heidi asks the question "who should go home?" And nobody wants to give an answer that should be good enough. Have the designers tell you who was responsible for what and eliminate per that knowledge.

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<< All the crying and cumbaya feelings is irrelevant. >>

They're stressed out and sleep deprived from doing basically a challenge a day (and being away from home etc.) So feelings come to the surface very easily, and decision-making is warped.

They're rundown and emotionally on the edge, and some simply handle it better than others.

When you join the army for battle you're put through boot camp to mechanicalize one a bit, so less reason is involved and you automatically fulfill an objective. Regulars people dumped into a reality show don't get that training.

What's crazy about asking them to choose is it's then turned around for additional drama, when the judges will say, "Well, he really threw X under the bus!"
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I liked both teams, but I wasn't crazy about many of Team Button Bag's designs. I liked Unity's collection better overall.



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I've never understood asking the team who should go home. It's not like they're going to sway the judges. They already know who they are sending home.

oh they may say that it influences the decision but it doesn't.

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It's just an obvious drama stirrer. If you say someone who doesn't go home, they're going to remember that. If it were for fairness, then they should be able to say if there was a weak link, but not be required to.

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Last season showed the girls to be total "mean girls" blaming Ashley for the bad collection! Loved how Kelly Osborne went off and told them "it's been a bit of a b!tch-fest!..." 

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I also think the losing team was deservedly so. If I invested in a pitch and got something contrary to what I was pitched, I'd be mad as hell. Team Unity really didn't design for the workplace. Yikes.

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Very valid point. They need to deliver the pitch because that is what the client is buying.

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It was very emotional tonight. I'm glad some took the high road and picked themselves to be eliminated (Roberi, Alex, the girl-cant remember her name). I think Scornelius picked himself just to be dramatic/centre of attention. I also thought that Tim was going to save Alex.

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I wrote a post about the save on the 'Prediction' thread on who and why someone else would get it. Tim did get a bit emotional about losing Alex. Perhaps they'll go onto to be friends after the show is complete and it won't cross contract boundaries.

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I also think the losing team was deservedly so. If I invested in a pitch and got something contrary to what I was pitched, I'd be mad as hell. Team Unity really didn't design for the workplace. Yikes.



That wasn't NEARLY as important as the clothing itself. There have been other times where this happened but the clothing was a winner because it was done better.

The winning team's fashion was garbage.

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The winning team's fashion was garbage.
I agree. The only thing I liked about the winning team's "collection" was Laurence's leather jacket. Not only was everything else they did sub-par IMO, it in no way formed a cohesive collection at all, something the judges are usually sticklers about (sorry but glomming a little bit of yellow onto everything doesn't do it).

When the judges then turned around and actually complained that Team Unity's collection wasn't cohesive (!), when it was much more so than team Button-Bag's, my suspicion that the whole exercise was b.s. was confirmed. Team Unity's pitch was the much more solid of the two, and even if they didn't wind up following through on it, there was nothing about Team Button-Bag's pitch which warranted them getting so much more money up front. IMO Heidi, Nina and Zack looked like idiots for buying their shpiel.

And then of course, after "investing" all that money, they weren't going to say they made a mistake, were they? Team Button-Bag could have crapped all over the runway (which they just about did), and IMO they would have won anyway, because the outcome was decided from the get-go. How ridiculous have the standards on this show become? SHAME ON YOU Team Unity, for doing a good pitch and then producing a well-made and polished collection (for a relative pittance!) that went in a different direction. But YAY Team-Button-Bag, for doing an unfocused and disorganized pitch and then fulfilling it by making an unfocused and disorganized collection (and spending almost three times the money on it!) 

I liked this episode only because of the designers and the classy way they all behaved throughout. It was very refreshing to see a team challenge that for once seemed to bring out the best, rather than the worst, in everyone. In every other respect I thought it was an awful episode that reminded me of why I had decided to stop watching the show after last season. The B.S.-ometer was off the charts. Sending a very talented and worthy contestant like Alex home (and if you doubt me take a look at his portfolio on the Lifetime site) when that POS "mauve" (which it wasn't) dress that Brik and Jenni did was clearly the worst and least-liked thing on the runway was beyond absurd.

Producers' shenanigans win out again. The more things change, the more they stay the same. The only thing that could redeem this fiasco is if Tim uses his save on Alex next week.



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I've watched every episode of Project Runway and for the very first time, when I heard Heidi mention the winner I turned my TV off.

The "winning" team had one of the worst collections I have ever seen. The weren't as cohesive, the yellow color was brighter than the sun itself at high noon! It's blinding! That was $2,200! Are they kidding us?!

What a freakin' joke.

I remember reading an interview from a former contestant that said, while the outfits and designing them is real, the judging is fake as they know in advance who they want to win....Going by this episode, I believe it.

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Well it certainly doesn't keep things honest when the people judging the outfits are also the people who "invested" in your pitch. While I liked the idea in theory it really didn't make for a genuine runway experience. They completely rigged the challenge by purposely over-investing with one team and being stingy with the other.

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the judging is fake as they know in advance who they want to win....Going by this episode, I believe it.
It's been obvious before in instances, but I think rarely quite as much so as in this ep (see my post above).

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I think they go by the confessionals! If a team is too full of themselves, the judges have to bring them back to Earth! It happens every time! The underdogs almost always win even if it seems like they wouldn't complete the collection! 

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I doubt the judges have any time to spend watching the unedited confessionals before the runway shows, and even if they did have the time I doubt they care about them. I think they pick favorites early on, aided by the producers, and then it just becomes all about telling what TPTB think is a "good story". The judges' critiques are sometimes spot-on, and sometimes bulls--t of the highest order - whichever serves the preordained plot the best.

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By judges, I mean production! Who thought Team Bouton was going to win? I figured they would because the other team was talking so much $#!t and making ego-driven comments about their abilities! It happens almost every time; not kidding! 

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By judges, I mean production!
Oh I see. Well you may be right there, but I think it's more a case of them manipulating the confessionals to fit their preplanned story, rather than creating their story based on what's said in the confessionals.

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When the judges then turned around and actually complained that Team Unity's collection wasn't cohesive (!), when it was much more so than team Button-Bag's, my suspicion that the whole exercise was b.s. was confirmed. Team Unity's pitch was the much more solid of the two, and even if they didn't wind up following through on it, there was nothing about Team Button-Bag's pitch which warranted them getting so much more money up front. IMO Heidi, Nina and Zack looked like idiots for buying their shpiel.

And then of course, after "investing" all that money, they weren't going to say they made a mistake, were they?


You nailed it.

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I doubt the judges have any time to spend watching the unedited confessionals before the runway shows, and even if they did have the time I doubt they care about them. I think they pick favorites early on, aided by the producers, and then it just becomes all about telling what TPTB think is a "good story". The judges' critiques are sometimes spot-on, and sometimes bulls--t of the highest order - whichever serves the preordained plot the best.


What's more likely is that there is a production assistant of some sort who oversees the confessionals and notifies Heidi (maybe by text) of anything juicy that's been said that the production can work with/manipulate the outcome if they choose to do so.

Heidi's an executive producer- she absolutely wants to know what's being said in those confessionals.

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The team challenges are episodes I sometimes skip....they just make me queasy. It's just too tense to see all the infighting.

More than "who should go home?" I hate the "Tell us why you deserve to go to Fashion Week?" question. It's like, "Um....me, because you're asking if I want a future or not?"

The answers are always the same, "I've overcome a lot, things weren't easy for my family. My dream has always been to show in New York. I've learned a lot while here, and I want to SHARE MY VISION WITH THE WORLD!!!"

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EDIT: Sorry, they usually manage to slip "I really want to show you what I can do!" in there, as well.
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