Plagarism - they used footage from the Holocaust!


Just wanted to let you know that a lot of the supposed footage from Waverly was footage from the HOLOCAUST. I recognized the footage from documentaries about the Holocaust.

There is one piece in particular in which a man is laying in a stretcher with his hands in a prayer. This is footage in which a holocaust survivor is being rescued.

Also notice how many of the bodies are emaciated. Holocaust victims were emaciated, because they were starved. However, Waverly patients were not emaciated, because they were fed.

I don't know who they were going to fool, and how they got away with using Holocaust footage for a documentary on Waverly!

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I was wondering about that. I did think some of the footage looked a lot like from some Holocaust videos I have seen.

However, I would like to add that even the best fed patients can start to look very emaciated as they approach death. One of the reasons I stopped working at retirement homes and hospices.


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I can understand why they may have done it. For the most part it seemed like they were trying to keep things hush hush, so they probably didn’t do much filming of people arriving, and they certainly didn’t do any filming of them secretly getting rid of the bodies. So to give us the effect of hoards of sick and desperate people trying to get treatment, they borrowed some footage.

It’s only plagiarism if they neglected to mention in their credits where they borrowed the footage from. I didn’t really watch the end credits to know whether they did or not.

When the hurly-burly's done. When the battle's lost and won.

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Thank you, despeyland, for pointing that out. I noticed it too, and I am outraged that they would purposely insert historically inaccurate footage. Did they really think that, for the purposes of their documentary, that Holocaust victims and TB patients were interchangeable? It disrepects both groups and their families.

Regardless of whether the use of this footage was credited or not, it was used in an inappropriate and misleading manner.

Because these sanitoriums lasted well into the 1930's I'm sure other footage could have been found accurately depicting the plight of tuberculosis patients. Worst-case scenario would be showing still photos in montage.

Any pretense at credibility this film may have had at the outset was totally destroyed for me when the first footage of European refugees bound for the ghetto appeared under the guise of tuberculosis patients being brought to Waverly.


"Damn lamp post!"

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this "documentary" is rediculous. i cant believe scifi actually agreed to this crap. it probably is haunted but the music and "special" effects are just damn annoying

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actualyy they did dig holes in the ground *beep*

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Not that is was right, but at the end, there's a disclaimer saying not all the footage is from the historical archives of Waverly, and from other sources. So, they covered themselves, at least.

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Spooked was a documentary and also a very entertaining film. Since Waverly is about two seconds from where I live, and the town goes nuts over the place, I can give you some history...

1. There was a bad flood in Kentucky in the 20's, which caused a lot of records and photos to be destroyed. Waverly images and documents were part of these, and while some remain - no actual footage from that time exists.

2. Stock footage is common in a lot of movies to give emphasis or to stimulate an EMOTIONAL response. The film in itself is not a "educational" documentary, it is very hip and artistic. Appreciate that the "white plague" or TB epidemic was very much like the Holocaust in some respects. A. People were FORCED to be away from their loved ones, and to live surrounded by death. B. Were used in experiments (sometimes bloody and lethal) to attempt to locate a cure. C. If one family member had it, the whole family was forced to go - infecting them.

This was about infection, isolation, cruelty, and pain. What happened during the Holocaust should never, and will never be forgiven - and I respect that.

The same should go for those who suffered and died at Waverly.

For those of you who made this an issue, I am sure you have a different agenda, and should ultimately re-think your motives.

~ Mack

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Umm... I believe that Holocaust footage is actually free to distribute and use. In The Hills Have Eyes and Dreamscape they used footage from nuclear bomb tests, so I think that holocaust footage is in the same boat.

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i don't think The Hills Have Eyes or Dreamscape claim to be documentaries.

it is perfectly fine to use whatever historic footage you want, in any context you want, if you are making a work of fiction. and, though i haven't seen Dreamscape, in The Hills Have Eyes the nuclear testing footage was used to set up the background premise for the story--the story takes place at a former nuclear test site. so even _if_ The Hills Have Eyes _were_ a documentary, they didn't mis-portray the archival footage they used.

it has nothing to do with fair use or public domain. nothing is illegal here, just incredibly deceptive and undermines the credibility of the documentary makers and the work itself. if this had been a Blair Witch or Cloverfield style work of fiction that was meant to look like a documentary then it would be perfectly alright. but as an actual documentary this film completely lacks integrity.

they might as well have hired actors to read from scripts for the interviews and used special effects to fake "paranormal activity."

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I knew some of those films were fakes but I thought they might have been from the depression era or the Dust Bowl or something. I didnt think they would stoop so low as to steal Holocaust images.

I don't care if you call me crazy...because the voices in my head tell me I'm just fine

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you know the documentary lacks factual integrity when they use a "ghost hunter" to guide them through the sanatorium and interview as an expert rather than someone who actually worked there.

i lost interest in the film as soon as they printed the on screen text describing EM fields as something that suggests paranormal activity. this "documentary"--if you can even call it that--is only for people who are incredibly gullible and dense, and are more interested in artificially played up drama than factual historic information.

this is essentially the film equivalent of supermarket tabloids like the national inquirer. it's junk food media meant for consumption by the ignorant/gullible.

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