Dr Who, Star Trek, Star Wars, Terminator,
They never did it so bad before (it was always more levelled, considered, less obvious.. more concerned about the story, performances etc) so why now? Why 'alien'nate your fanbase for overly preachy SJW stuff (in franchises that woke people probably don't care about or even watch anyway)
Doctor Who and Star Trek have always had strong progressive ideals. Some people refer to Sarah Connor as a feminist icon too.
My question is why people are so afraid of it now? The constant pearl clutching is repetitive and boring to me.
Classical liberals or classical progressives were a quite open minded and at the same time moderate political view. There was controversy, of course, but it was usually respected and well considered by most people, even by many who didn't agree with it.
Modern wokes¹ are not respected neither well considered. It's almost a puritan neo-religion that enforces white guilt and male guilt as its basic core premise. It's a toxic system of ideas, and it's probably the main cause behind the heavy decline of western countries.
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¹ Some some people label wokes as "liberal" or "progressive". That's misleading. You shouldn't confuse wokeness with what used to be "progressive" 60 years ago.
People aren't afraid of the woke bullshit, people are just tired of them putting the woke shit as the main goal of shows above and beyond the story. When the original Star Trek was on the air it was a western in space first and on occasion it tossed in a woke moment. Now when you have shows like Doctor Who where the show runners publicly announce they are doing something to be woke (like throw in a female doctor) it goes beyond what is called for from a story point of view. When every episode of a series is some woke preaching wrapped up in a half backed story it becomes annoying as hell. The woke warriors need to go study history, they would then realize that for propaganda to be successful it has to be done well and the woke bullshit in the current crop of sci fi is simply not done anywhere near that point. If you aren't annoyed by it then you've probably just been desensitized to it and probably are too young to remember a time when the stories came first and the propaganda was only brushed on once in a while like sprinkles on a birthday cake.
shareI’m probably older than you, if the truth be known.
Also, this
“ When the original Star Trek was on the air it was a western in space first and on occasion it tossed in a woke moment”
is pure baloney to anyone who knows anything about Roddenberry’s intentions when he created the Star Trek universe. He specifically sought racial diversity in his cast because he wanted to present a future where gender and race were not barriers to success. Uhura being the first black woman on TV not in a menial role was no accident. Ditto Sulu.
he wanted to present a future where gender and race were not barriers to success
“Diversity contains as many treasures as those waiting for us on other worlds. We will find it impossible to fear diversity and to enter the future at the same time." -Gene Roddenberry
shareAnd? He was talking about diversity in the old traditional dictionary meaning, which is not the same as "diversity", which is often used in modern used as a label to refer to the woke religion.
Let's not mix "diversity", the word, with "diversity", the woke religion. The same we shouldn't mix "peace", the concept, with "peace", the Islam religion (which literally means peace).
Otherwise you could take any quote about peace and sell it as a quote supporting Islam.
😂
Right he was talking about “diversity” not “diversity”. Thanks for clearing that up so irrefutably.
And how exactly do you know what Roddenberry meant when he said that? Also, do you think he would support the ideals of anyone like yourself who says black people have never contributed anything worthwhile to society and that they should all be kicked back to Africa?
If so you are as delusional as you are obsessed.
how exactly do you know what Roddenberry meant when he said that?
do you think he would support the ideals of anyone like yourself who says black people have never contributed anything worthwhile to society
"If we depended on blacks leading progress, we'll be still living in the stone age."
That's a VERY RACIST remark, don'tcha think?
Sure. And it's also true, both things are compatible.
That's why wokeness is a religion. The moment stating a simple truth becomes a sin, you know we're not dealing with politics anymore, we're dealing with a religious cult that has become mainstream.
I'm sorry but what does a black person's iq have to do with anything. You cannot generalise iq based on colour. That's like saying there's a lot of terrorists from a certain country so generalising that all from that country are terrorists.
On the subject of colour a lot of people found it weird and even the opposite of woke how the doctor in the end of spyfall part 2 basically threw the master to the nazis and showed he wasn't white
Of course you can generalize IQ based on ethnic groups. It's called "statistics":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics
What you mean is that talking about IQ statistics in different ethnic groups is taboo in the woke religion and (consequently) in modern western society.
Nope your basing something on colour which is what you complain woke people do for the whites. Anything based on colour in my opinion is racist and that includes people who base things on whites e.g. the whole white privileged thing
shareHoly shit, I recognize this poster now now. So he's been harping on this angle about black people being dumber for a long time due to his misunderstanding about what IQ is, and how it's used (answer: it's not really used as a respectable measure of intelligence outside determining mental retardation).
He actually thinks the racial breakout of the enterprise was because
Roddenberry was quite realistic about blacks average IQ and skill, that's why you barely saw blacks in the Enterprise.
The problem is these types of people will twist anything to prove a point.
For example he and others constantly claim series 12 was anti White but when you mention the master was played by a non white actor for the first time as far as I'm aware and also the fact in the same 2 parter Lenny Henry plays a typical bad businessman wanting to take over the world who also kills his own mother. Well those where just exceptions.
You could have a non white person as the bad in every episode and they would probably still be exceptions. These people complain about the show having an agenda but they have a massive agenda.
Watch any of the so called youtubers they recommend like bowlstek or whatever he is called and they will criticise everything about the show to prove the show or chibnall is bad. I'm not his biggest fan but if he does something I enjoy I'm going to say it. These others won't admit that though
For example he and others constantly claim series 12 was anti White but when you mention the master was played by a non white actor for the first time as far as I'm aware [...] Well those where just exceptions.
But is it on average?
Episode 1 and 2 - spyfall, you have an Indian and a black actor both being villains.
In episode 3, orphan 55, the daughter of the leader of the place is partly the villain and does terrorist actions even if realising she was wrong and she is a person of colour.
In episode 4, Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror, the actress playing the bad alien is of Indian heritage (she's the actress who played Rani in the sarah Jane adventures).
The person who brought Praxeus to earth in the episode of the same name is I believe an Asian actress.
If you then count the fact the master is also in the final, it means at least 6 out of 10 episodes had a non white character as the villain in some way or another and I may have missed some.
By that logic surely you can't claim an anti White agenda and also claim it's just an exception. If one episode had a non white villain then I'd understand the word exception even if I didn't agree with it but clearly it's far more.
I should also repeat something else I mentioned once before, that to me Graham is often portrayed as the voice of reason and the good guy, and guess what, he's white
Episode 1 and 2 - spyfall, you have an Indian and a black actor both being villains [...] In episode 3, orphan 55, the daughter of the leader [...] In episode 4, Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror, the actress playing the bad alien [...] The person who brought Praxeus to earth
By that logic surely you can't claim an anti White agenda and also claim it's just an exception.
And as expected you twist the results. I wouldn't call the two villains good in spyfall, clever yes but still bad. I mean one killed his own mother.
In praxeus the gay male is saw as a troubled character but he makes the ultimate sacrifice. Didn't the female in the witfhfinders kind of regret some stuff and one white female was helping.
My point is if you look for an agenda you will find it. I'm looking forward to see what you lot say when RTD Davies saves the show with his non political writing ha. I will admit he writes it better and that is my issue with the current era, it's not too political just badly written
And as expected you twist the results. I wouldn't call the two villains good in spyfall, clever yes but still bad.
My point is if you look for an agenda you will find it.
I'm looking forward to see what you lot say when RTD Davies saves the show with his non political writing
Shifting goal posts, selective attention, fake "facts"...yeah that's really the only way to hold such unrelentingly strong opinions lol. And yeah totally agreed. Accuse others of having agendas when like you are also the opposite threat on the other side of the spectrum. It's the irrational extremists on both sides that are problematic.
But yeah, I'm sure people would dismiss the Lenny Henry bit for one reason or another because it doesn't support the narrative. It's like, there's a lot of things I don't care with modern woke culture, but God. To be this obsessive and delusional.
Did you see Uhura or Sulu as main characters? No, they weren't. Because even though Gene wanted to be a woke warrior he wasn't an idiot. Uhura was for all intents and purpose the housekeeper on the ranch, it was a menial role if ever there was one. Gene knew he couldn't be too woke so what you got was woke sprinkles on the cake. Sulu was also about as meaningful as a redsuit which isn't really ground breaking when that same year saw Bruce Lee in a much more important role in the Green Hornet. Funny how Trek fans try to push the Star Trek was so progressive bullshit all the time as if saying it over and over will make it true. Star Trek wasn't nearly as woke as you want to pretend it was.
shareI don’t want anything to be “woke”. I see that term as a lazy way to discredit anything that isn’t strictly conservative. Anyway the conversation could go round and round for days and still have no outcome that satisfies you. If you don’t like modern sci fi, don’t watch. I don’t know what else I can say other than that bitching about it like a hysterical school girl won’t change a thing.
shareWoke woke woke woke woke woke woke.... Happy now?
The term is just as meaningful as the overused liberal mantras of racist or homophobe... Now that there is one that twerks the liberal loons it should be used over and over until the heads of the liberal loons explode... It seems to be pushing your buttons already... so once again,
woke woke woke woke woke woke.
I wasn’t using racist or homophobe either, those words came from your keyboard pal.
But hey, repeat woke until you’re blue in the face. No skin off my ass 🤷♂️
As if some butt buddy like yourself has any skin left on their ass.
shareYep, predictable nastiness from the likes of you. Resort to base insults when your argument falls apart. Pretty boring. Not bothered, but nice try 👍
shareCan't help it that your dad likes guy ass more than he does your mom's.
shareanything that isn’t strictly conservative.
What a nice way to put it ,
I'd have gone for , mysoginistic, racist, homphobes.
they've whipped themselves up into a right little frenzy in this thread havent they?! :)
Then bringing Trek into it ! what a fucking own goal!
These types are "Perfectly happy for women and coloreds to have parts on TV"
as long as it doesent actually happen ,
because then they'll start screaming
"They DID THAT DELIBERATLEYY!! waaaqaaaaah"
Typical strawman fails from a fringe kook, brainwashed, leftist pawn.
sharewestern in space first
people are always claiming things are "a western in different clothes"
How exactly is Star Trek a Western?
there are guns in it?
Some of the popular westerns on the TV at that time were Wagon Train and Maverick, which were westerns based on the period they were set in and which had a formula of the characters going from one place to another and having adventures along the way. Gene used that format in Star Trek only instead of setting it in the old west he set it in space in the future. That was also how he pitched it to the networks to begin with. That is why it is often thought of as a western in space.
sharegood answer!
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He specifically sought racial diversity in his cast because he wanted to present a future where gender and race were not barriers to success.
Umm, did you not see the Abraham Lincoln episode? Her race was specifically referred to several times and the point was driven home that society had moved on from racial barriers.
Or could you possibly not know what you’re talking about?
That is precisely the reason I said "as much as".
..in Rodenberry's Star Trek these categories are not brought up as much as they are today.
I agree with the last statement. When we can get to a point when everyone is treat for their merit and not their sex, race, colour, religion and sexual orient and so on the world will be a better place. I don't think it will ever not exist but that also shouldn't stop us trying.
The problem is it isn't like that. Sexism still exists, racial profiling etc. Yes some things might be going too far but there's a reason behind it.
They used alien life forms and cultures to discuss diversity. Spock being the obvious, constant example throughout the seaBecause whackos were at least as likely to freak out if they talked explicitly about racial diversity back then as they are now.
share"He specifically sought racial diversity in his cast"
Sorry, but Roddenberry shouldn't be given too much credit as some kind of trailblazer when it comes to casting diversity. He often engaged in self-aggrandizing self-promotion over the years to make it look like he was some kind of visionary with all these brilliant forward-thinking ideas in Star Trek, when a lot of it was really attributable to others.
Just look at Roddenberry's original concept for Star Trek as on display in the first pilot episode "The Cage." The cast was lily white! The only ethnic minority character to be seen is one Asian guy stuck down in the transporter room as a low-level technician with no lines of dialog whatsoever. Even the navigator on the bridge crew who was supposed to be part South American and had the Spanish first name "Jose" was pale, blond and blue-eyed.
By the time the 'series proper' went into production with the cast we are now familiar with, NBC's network executives had already been promoting diversity with other shows such as "I, Spy," which featured a black lead and a white lead as co-stars and premiered over a year before Star Trek. Star Trek wasn't doing anything new with Uhura and Sulu. It was just going along with what NBC was already doing. In 1966 NBC sent out a memo to all its TV producers letting them know they were expected to be racially inclusive in casting, especially with African Americans. Yes, Nichelle Nichols was cast as Uhura before that memo went out. But consider the fact that Roddenberry and Nichols had been romantically involved before that. Gene R. had a tendency to cast his lovers in roles in his shows, as seen with Majel Barret in "The Cage." Later on Roddenberry would try to put the NBC executives in a bad light, claiming that they axed the character because they didn't want a woman in a command role. Nope, they didn't have a problem with the character. They just didn't like Barret's portrayal because she simply wasn't a good actor at the time.
Because when you take something to extremes it becomes dangerous. People have every right to be afraid.
shareAfraid of what? That straight white males are supposedly under attack? Doesn’t seem like a very masculine reaction to me. Quite the opposite, in fact.
shareI have no idea what idea of masculinity you have. Obviously not a very woke one, so why do you keep defending wokeness?
shareI don’t subscribe to wokeness, have never heard of it before visiting this forum, so I’m hardly in a position to defend it.
I just love Doctor Who and have no political problems with any of the storylines or with the fact that a shape-shifting alien who can change bodies when they die can also change sexes. To me it opens up the scope of possibilities within the show and keeps it fresh.
The problem is NOT with the doctor changing sexes, the problem is that it adds to all the other nonsense and constant preaching. Specially when it's done at the expense of good writing.
I know they are not a good barometer but take IMDB rates for Tenant era and compare with the rates for JD era. JD hardly has episodes rated over 7 while Tenant hardly has episodes rated under 7.
Couldn't they have a right-wing bias just once?
shareWho? The viewers? The show?
Hardly, Dr Who has always been "woke" and people still have enjoyed it. Because that wokeness was mild, acceptable.
Let's say that Tenant era was woke in "pat on the back: you can do better" while the present one is: "you fucking see this??? Repent and die you fucking imperialist, colonialist misogynistic pig!!".
They went from subliminal and subtle messages encompassed in rather good stories to bad stories and preaching, blaming, shaming ...
The show. Say a travelling companion who doesn't have any qualms about killing or natural.empathy with the oppressed.
shareI do think it would be interesting to introduce someone with certain views if only to show the stupidity of them.
I did wonder if the show could ever introduce something like a companion from the past who had grown up in a society with things like racism in a way that they felt it was normal but then they learn through travelling with the doctor how big the universe is and how small and stupid these views are. But it would probably be too risky to do
I don’t subscribe to wokeness, have never heard of it before visiting this forum
Because it acts like a new religion, an hating one, espectially if you don't kneel, it's a belief and it makes no sense,
shareDoctor Who and Star Trek have always had strong progressive ideals.
They weren’t woke back then, that’s why people didn’t have a problem.
These days, you can’t have diversity without hating white people; you can’t be feminist without hating men; and you can’t have relationships of any kind, even friendships, without people forcing LGBT propaganda down your throat.
You wanna talk about boring, pearl-clutching repetitiveness, there it is.
I have to laugh at all the notifications I’m getting now on a conversation I gave up on half a year ago.
Yeah, I don’t really have anything else to add. I still love the show and, strangely, no amount of incessant moaning about wokeness here has changed that. I guess I just prefer to enjoy Doctor Who rather than listen to people who hate it repeat the same complaints over and over and over again.
It’s nice to see the poster in the Trending panel, but as for discussing the actual show, there are far better places to do that for me.
You guys have your fun though 🙂
Writers that DON'T write woke stuff don't get work and more importantly no paycheck.
It's not just sci-fi buy drama comedy the works.
Someday a show will be a hit with anti-woke writing.
"They took r jabs"
shareYOU try to write a story about a member of a minority group commiting a crime, or a woman involved in deviant behavior toward a man. The writers have to pass the "woke test" ANYTHING controversial (ie interesting) is taboo.
There is actually a law(a bill I'm not sure if it passed) in Britain that BANS any sort of stereotyping in commercials.
No more stereotypes? Sad loss...
shareKinda like no more fat people, no senior citizens, nobody in the lower working class.
A distortion of reality. By banning stereotyping, you further distort reality, implying that there is no culture differences, no masculine or feminine behavior differences.
Life is a beer commerical.
One of my favorite stereotype breaking commercials. (I'm sure this person exist SOMEWHERE)
https://youtu.be/kCt4dz8QQJY
Because when I think of black culture, I think of a architect/ beekeeper/hipster that runs her own business!
"Because when I think black culture, I think of a architect/ beekeeper that runs her own business!"
That is so racist.
Have you seen Sylvie's Love? (I doubt it) You remind me of a comment a character makes in that movie.
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Do really realize the implications of the no stereotypes rule? How much of a slippery slope that is? Have you thought this through?
What IS a stereotype? Is a woman doing laundry a stereotype? How about a man with a hammer?
You see...if taken to extremes it has a ability to bind us.
It is a dangerous, almost 1984 Orwelleian type of rule.
Ok so the doctor is now a woman
Shock horror , who let her out of the kitchen , oh my god ....
right thats that dealt with.
Now can you explain where exactly the "preach overtly woke stuff" happened in Dr Who?
In every episode. The doctor being a woman is not the biggest problem ... it just adds to it.
share"The doctor being a woman is not the biggest problem"
Yea thats what i just said , in order to help you get over it and onto the "overtly woke stuff"
so its every episode but you cant name one example ?
Maybe it's conservatives the ones that need to keep up with the times. They are a-changing.
EDIT: I forgot to add Sci fi was always a progressive genre, if you know anything about it history. I recently watched The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951) . It has a progressive message.
they don't need to change that much and forced. That's the point.
shareI don't think so. Well maybe. I don't know. What I know is that "keeping up with the times" is not a sufficient reason by itself.
We don't have to put up with something just because it's of its time. Now I know this will be a very leaky (and extreme) comparison but it's just to illustrate my thought: When Hitler was pushing his anti-semite genocide in the throat of everyone (he was literally going to take on the world with this ideal) , did the others say "Oh war is bad. Let's just roll with it and keep up with the times." ?
Now, I know it's not the same. But according to someone's individual values, when something feels forced down his throat and makes him feel uneasy, he can/must protest it. Make his voice be heard. And A LOT of people are being fed up with Hollywood and artists trying to drown us into this new diversity dictatorship (I'm exaggerating... but not that much.. the more it goes the closer we're getting to that).
We have feminists (France, Canada and probably everywhere else too) that claim that all heterosexual white males are toxic. Now how fucking extreme is that? Is that what it means to be progressive these days? And Hollywood by pushing aside the most heterosexual white men they can and keeping them for "bad guy roles" instead, are slowly encouraging this "straight white man is bad" stereotype. Of course it's not ALL productions. I'm highlighting a tendency. One that's not ill-intentioned but still insidious. It's snowballing its way and is being perceived as such more and more.
To me it's annoying more than anything. But to some it really gets on their nerves. And I can understand it.
It’s the liberals that need to keep up with the times, they still think we’re living in a pre-1950’s world.
Not only do women and minorities have equal rights, they have preferential treatment, same with the LGBT. Why are we still pretending that they don’t?
It's not just sci-fi, it's everything these days. Even crazier is, we have a Patient Zero, known as that all-female [horrible] "Ghostbusters" movie.
Based on the discussions further up, I'll explain why "woke" is not the same as "progressive" when it comes to films or tv shows. This is based on watching stuff in the past, and how it compares to today's garbage.
Progressive: It tells a good story, has good character development, makes you want to care, is not condescending, and makes only one or two radical changes that might shock people at first, but they get used to it after a few years. Also presents a good argument for the message it's trying to tell, providing food for thought. Afterwards, the viewers can have fun talking it over with friends/family, people start choosing characters they like, and they might even come back to watch the film or episode again.
Woke: Story is little more than a thin veneer for the brutal far-left propaganda to punch the viewers in the faces, knock them down, insult and degrade them every chance they get, maybe even anally rape them, and tells them "You're gonna like our message OR ELSE!!!!" There's no attempt at telling a good story or providing a good argument/perspective from the characters' POVs, no character development at all and bad acting, which leads to audience apathy, and there's almost nothing that makes you like or sympathize with the characters, and the story gives you no reason to re-watch it, but rather makes you want that time of your life back.
The Woke Crowd also has a tendency to toss around words, but their definition (based on their actions) does not match up with the words they are using. It's like in the Princess Bride, where Inigo keeps hearing Vicini yell "Inconceivable!" and at one point, Inigo says to him "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means." I'll demonstrate with their favorite buzz-words:
Diversity:
Dictionary definition: the condition of having or being composed of differing elements : variety especially : the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization
Woke Definition: White straight males are evil and we have to destroy them while putting everyone else at the front of the line, and handing them "success" and preference on a silver platter.
Equality: Real definition: Treating everyone the same, regardless of differences.
Woke Definition: Giving power to groups that were "oppressed" in the past, and using it to punish groups that did the "oppressing" in the past. Example 1: giving the Alphabet People special treatment over everyone else. Example 2: Affirmative Action --> such as giving black people places in colleges or at work ahead of everyone else, even if they aren't qualified for it! Example 3: Make all the women smart and perfect, and all the men are either stupid/weak and capitulate to them, or are evil.
Fascism: Real definition: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
Woke Definition: Anyone who disagrees with them, such as Republicans. Also includes anyone who stands for America's original values, is white, straight, Christian, and/or male.
Interesting definitions but the problem is everyone looks at things differently.
Would you class for example doctor who as woke? By your own definitions it surely can't be as the doctor is white and the master is an Indian. People say these are exceptions but you can't say it makes white people bad and everyone else good then backtrack when it's proven wrong
I would bet my entire pay cheque that Amerigirl has not even seen Doctor Who. I suspect everyone who complains about the show here are made up of two groups:
1. People who don’t watch the show and
2. People who watch but continuously moan about wokeness without ever commenting on storylines, performances, direction, special effects or anything specific about the artistic direction of the show, or offer a satisfactory explanation on why they keep watching if they hate it so much.
You, Satan and I seem to be the only people who want to discuss the show and not make this thread a platform to present a political viewpoint. It’s rather strange.
Yeah. I've said it before. I will agree that while diversity is good it should never have to be forced. When I watched class for example I didn't hate it but I could see they where trying to have most backgrounds to appeal to everyone.
I will also say some of the political stuff wasn't written as good as it could be, but it was not the message but how it was delivered I had issue with. Take Orphan 55 it was a bad episode to me but I understood and agreed with its purpose. I just felt it was written bad and the end broke the fourth wall too much. If they had interwined the message better it could have been great, but it seems a lot of the people on here don't want any messages even though the show has always done this.
I've also admitted I'm not the biggest 13 fan. I liked her a lot more in series 12 as she was too one note in series 11 but she's probably Still near the bottom for me but that isn't anything to do with her sex.
Would you class for example doctor who as woke? By your own definitions it surely can't be as the doctor is white and the master is an Indian.
what about the fact that the doctor removed the masters perception filter showing he wasn't white and basically through him to the nazis. I'd call that harsh and certainly not woke.
Also as far as I'm aware your argument isn't new. I can't remember many non white bad guys in classic who either.
As I said last time this is the issue - you claim the show is bad to whites, I mention that we have a white but yes female doctor but we also had until recently Graham who is often seen as the voice of reason. I mention the first 2 episodes of series 12 had the master as an Indian and leny Henry as a bad guy who even killed his own mother.
But oh no they can't count. In your head they are just exceptions. Because a white guy tried to betray the world to the daleks it was saying all white guys are bad. Last time I checked the guy who worked with the daleks in day of the daleks was also white.
Yes that is just an example above but can you tell me when classic had bad guys as non whites. We had a bad guy as a Chinese in talons of weng-chiang yet it was actually a white guy playing him.
I just feel even if we'd had a variety of different races in series 12 playing the bad guys if there was one bad white you'd be claiming it was against whites.
Yes that is just an example above but can you tell me when classic had bad guys as non whites.
Ha you have the audacity to call me a troll. Anyways no point in arguing we'll just have to agree to disagree
share“Again with this bullshit? Again?? This thing has been already answered before. Several fucking times. You're just a troll.”
Pete is one of the only people who discuss the actual show here rather than endlessly bang the woke drum and hurl
insults like Nurse Who with monotonous regularity.
But if we say “again with this bullshit” or call you a troll, which you are the absolute definition of by the way, you start crying about personal insults like a spoilt brat.
That you would react this way to him when he makes a very valid point is deflection in the extreme and shows an utter disregard for any sense of self awareness on your part.
Any decent person would offer him an apology. With you, we’ll just wait for your next instalment of Kookoo’s Agenda Hour. Which is not pitifully boring at all. Not at all.
^ This x 1,000
shareBrilliant.
share"Woke" is Mao's Cultural Revolution in the west. Every western tradition and belief has to be attacked and deconstructed to create a vacuum before Communism can replace it.
shareMostly just cause scifi is so popular. Especially with the youth. I watch tons of old westerns and cop shows, and there is puh-lenty of woke politics in them. Much more subtle and grounded. But dude. Hollywood was always a bunch of progressive whack jobs who hate God and morality. And white man being the devil ain't no new idea either. Heroes were always the folks that sided with the Indians and Mexicans and Blacks and the Wahmen.
shareI keep seeing this myth that every Hollywood movie was always progressive leftist propaganda like now, but all the best movies and tv shows were mostly CENTRIST and reasonable to not offend either side. Walt Disney, Louie B Mayer, Albert Warner, Cecil B Demille, Howard Hughes, and John Ford were all powerful open Hollywood conservative Republicans. Hollywood doesn't have any conservative Republican studio heads now, that I know of.
shareWhy do they preach?????????????
Because it is their RELIGION.