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Rumour: The BBC To "Hard Reboot" Doctor Who


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Can't say much more without someone getting me in trouble.

Look at the prime time schedules for the last couple of years, and next. Does any previous era of Doctor Who look like it belongs there? Has Doctor Who been retrofitted to sit within a narrow framework of what is considered important television drama? Are BBC Studios disappointed by their lack of revenue and licenses? Is the BBC budget being cut again? Is outsourcing becoming more common? Is Doctor Who a priority for the BBC right now? Are senior meetings couched in language that questions the political? Financial? Creative? Is their chaos at the top? Is there a time where there wasn't? Does it matter at all?

Infinite rice pudding, etc, etc...

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Long story short: it won't work.

Media companies fail to understand that the rules of game have changed. The problem of modern Dr.Who is that it has become a vehicle for a political agenda, that's a common scenario last years, but it barely happened before.

A reboot from the same woke company (BBC) won't change anything. The series is gonna be woke, or perhaps it will start normal to grab audience and then it will become woke mid-season. Perhaps they'll have some boost because of the novelty and then it will sink again.

Dr.Who is very much dead.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Doctor Who is rested for a few years soon. I'm still enjoying it as much as I ever did, but there seems to be a large number of conservative nerds who can't get their heads around a female Doctor. They see it as pandering to political correctness, disregarding the fact that the show has always had a fairly strong social conscious and has always supported liberal ideals. That, and the fact that it had long been established in the show that Time Lords can change sex when they regenerate. Oh no, but now when the Doctor becomes a woman it is suddenly "woke", whatever that asinine adjective is supposed to mean.

Whatever happens in the short term, Doctor Who will never die.

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but there seems to be a large number of conservative nerds who can't get their heads around a female Doctor

This has been said a hundred times, but I will repeat again: the problem is not that there's a female Doctor. The problem is that there's a female Doctor as an additional element of the usual anti-white male political agenda (which usually involves femwashing and/or blackwashing). This agenda is very clear during the episodes, that basically are anti-white male propaganda.

disregarding the fact that the show has always had a fairly strong social conscious and has always supported liberal ideals

Modern leftism has zero relation with classic liberalism. Modern Dr.Who (and modern leftism in general) has zero 'fairly strong social conscious', it's just the white guilty usual stuff.

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That’s your take on it. I’m white and guilty is the last thing I feel watching Doctor Who. As for anti-white male agendas, Bradley Walsh’s Graham has been the heart and soul of the latest series so I don’t know how that fits into your theory. If you watched it at all.

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Interesting you said you are white and not guilty.

I used to run a Disqus doctor who channel before they closed all the channels. A poster talked about how they as a white female would feel guility because they are white and so privileged. And I just wonder where all this has came from?

It's certainly not the show but I wonder if it's people. At the end of the day people shouldn't feel guilty. Their are privileged people and impoverished people from all walks of life.

As for the political correctness of the show I did feel it stronger than usual but as someone pointed out classic who had it a lot e.g. watch green death and the happiness patrol. I think certainly in the case of the happiness patrol I never noticed it because I was.born in 89 after the show was cancelled and didn't get the Thatcher part of the episode when watching it years later.

Unlike some I thought the rosa Parks episode and the one in Pakistan was actually some of series 11s best. These are also thinks not often taught in the UK so I thought it was interesting to be taught something while being entertained which goes back to the shows original premise. I was originally worried about how histroicals would work today so was originally glad to here they would have a SCFI twist. However the SCFI twists just felt added on and the episodes would have worked better as pure histroicals.

My only criticism political wise is using something so current as Trump. It didn't help that the episode was very generic but I would have preferred it to be more subtle or at least avoiding naming Trump directly. Take genesis of the daleks, it's far from subtle but at least it doesn't down right state they are basically nazis so in the future someone watching it might see the soldiers to represent a current war.

Basically I'd rather the show avoided current affairs or at least did it more subtle

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Unlike some I thought the rosa Parks episode and the one in Pakistan was actually some of series 11s best.

Both episodes were pure propaganda.

The Rosa Parks portrayed the case of that girl, that wasn't allowed to study in the white University. That was it. It was just segregation, no genocide, no killing, nothing of sort. But whites are portrayed as hateful people who just salivate hate.

By the way, in the meanwhile, the BBC was doing exactly the same thing, not allowing white people to work in the BBC:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3621658/BBC-turn-trainees-WHITE-Job-applicants-stunned-told-corporation-wants-people-ethnic-minority-backgrounds.html

Ironies of life.

The Punjab episode is set in the 47. That time, Muslims killed virtually every non-Muslim in West Punjab. They killed them all. On the other side, Indians killed virtually every Muslim in East Punjab.

We're not talking about not allowing you go to some University. We're talking about genocide. So, how they portrayed Indians and Muslims in the episode? No need to say, both are mostly positively portrayed: the real villains are some kind of weird aliens (white-skinned aliens, indeed. Figures).

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I didn't see it as propaganda. The Pakistan one in a way showed the divide and possibly how that actually we are often similar but war can divide. The rosa park one was about racism.

A lot of people didn't like how the villain came from the future and racism was still a thing but I think it shows a truth a lot don't like to admit. Racism will always exist in some form or another. That doesn't mean wr shouldn't fight it though

As for a reboot it would need some time off the air. I think the issue may be simply over familiarity. New who worked because it was able to introduce a new audience to doctor who but I don't see it picking newer audiences up again

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The Pakistan one in a way showed the divide and possibly how that actually we are often similar but war can divide. The rosa park one was about racism.

• The Rosa Park episode was about a historical episode where white people do not want to go to the same College than black people.
• The Pakistan episode was about a historical episode where Muslim people wanted to kill (and killed) every Indian around.

You label the first one as 'racism' and the second one as 'divide'. You're labeling the desire to not to attend the same College with a more severe and significant adjective than the desire to genocide a whole community.

Why? because the first case white people are the ones to blame, so (for you) them rejecting to attend the same College is way more grievous than Muslims genociding Indians in West Punjab. That's textbook white-guilt.

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No your putting your own agenda into my stuff. I don't know as much about the subject on the Muslim Indian issue to talk about it but I did find it interesting that the episode took something that a lot of people didn't know much about. I also didn't even know who rosa parks was before the episode because it's not something really taught in the UK, well certainly not something we got taught at my school.

As for my guilt, as I have mentioned I disagree that white people should feel guilty. I've seen people say that they should feel bad about stuff just because they are white which isn't true. Being white shouldn't automatically be a prerequisite for guilt and there are rich and poor from all walks of life. That doesn't mean I don't feel bad for peoples past actions in any war and so on.

I draw the line when people state we should be responsible for our ancestors actions which to me defeats the object of moving forward together to make a better world.

I also do feel the whole guilt thing may actusally be brought on by white people feeling bad and so they feel they are too entitled

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Long Established...? before the 9th Doctor I am not against A Female Doctor I was against how they did it with the Give and Take even tho Sci fi Is great for the lets make two A Female Doctor and a Male Doctor and have both

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You have to see PC Agenda pushing as a theme or trope now. So stepping away from the politics itself, it has just become boring to watch. The writers aren't even creative when executing the PC Agenda trope either, characters make speeches rather than recite lines etc. Agenda's are thrown in even if irrelevant to story line etc.

It's like anything else, the hero who always arrives just in time to stop the crime, the TV show that wraps everything up by the 3/4 mark. It's just predictable and boring. Not to mention that politics also divides people and robs people of the escapism they may be seeking by watching TV in the first place.

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Nope, still love the show as much as ever 👍

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"female Doctor as an additional element of the usual anti-white male political agenda"
here we go again ... sigh

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Yeah I mean originally sadly I was against a female doctor because I felt the character was a Male character but you can't call it white Male bias considering the lead role was a white male for over 50 years

I was not keen on the last series and still unsure of 13 but I think that is down to the writing and doesn't have anything to do with her being a female doctor.

I would love to see a more mature female doctor in the future - think older female scientist who is often very logical maybe too much at times but also has a warm side certainly with friends.

I suppose a female version of the 3rd doctor. He can be a bit stubborn but you can tell how he feels for his companions. Jo Grant's exist shows how you can have a companion leave so simply yet so emotional

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