I thought the Doctor couldn't ever go back to NY again.
Wasn't that a thing that happened?
"I said no camels, that's five camels, can't you count?"
Another thing that happened was the doctor on a roof fixing a time distortion
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if you expect continuity, think again, we have this genius called Moffat who's too cool for developed plots and continuity.
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Oh damn, I put him on ignore
1 mark deducted for not being Curse of Fenric. Insert 'The' into previous if you are Ant-Mac
care to defend his stupid writing? or are you beyond that
shareWell, they do sort of acknowledge the NY thing with the Doctor starting the episode fixing time distortions in New York.
My guess is that the real no-no was him interfering with the fixed point in time caused by Amy and Rory being zapped back to the past. As long as he steered clear of them and their timelines...I don't see why visiting New York per se would be an issue.
Also, perhaps regeneration somehow allows the Doctor to not unsettle the time distortions caused by a previous incarnation.
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That is an interesting way of looking at things. I am talking about you mentioning that The Doctor is in a different incarnation. They wouldn't know that it was he, even if they walked past him. River didn't even know during "The Husbands of River Song".
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You have serious problems if you can't understand the continuity, was that 1938?
shareYou have a red button. The main character keeps mentioning that you must not, under any circumstance, press it, up until the very end when there is no mention of said button, and no follow up to the countless of times it was mentioned.
This is a continuity error. Even if it is said that the button has no meaning after the story ends, the story should address it.
I just don't feel bothered about those things anymore.
"Wasn't that a thing that happened?"
No it wasn't.
The Doctor can't return to New York at a certain point in time in the 1930s is "a thing that happened".
That's why he wasn't able to go back for Amy and Rory in THE ANGELS TAKE MANHATTEN.
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Which is why it's so stupid. He has a time machine that goes anywhere in time and space.
If he can't go to a certain point in the 1930's there is no reason he can't go to a different point not in New York or a year later to pick them up. Anywhere in time and space.
Except that it was written in a book that he didn't so he can't. Fixed point. Yeah...
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I said I'd feed you...I didn't say who to.
Well, I don't make the rules.
And if I did, I wouldn't make them like that.
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The grave already mentioned that Rory and Amy died , so he couldn't afford to pick them up , that would have caused another paradox and NY couldn't have sustained no matter year they were in.
shareNah...he just needed to make sure they died on the same date and were buried in New York.
And once again, he has a time machine. He could pick them up 5 mins before they die and travel to New York on their death date.
Paradox avoided.
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I said I'd feed you...I didn't say who to.
... or just get two tombstones with their names.
This is why the entire idea behind that initial story is so idiotic. It was over complicating something very simple.
Ok , he goes back there , he picks them and let's say some daleks will exterminate them, the whole reality will go kaboom, that's what I meant when I said that he can't risk going back there.
sharehe goes back there , he picks them and let's say some daleks will exterminate them
Time Machine....except for fixed points apparently.
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The grave already mentioned that Rory and Amy died , so he couldn't afford to pick them up , that would have caused another paradox and NY couldn't have sustained no matter year they were in.Clara will travel time and space for as long as she wants before she ultimately returns to the moment of her death. The same guy wrote Amy & Rory's exit.
Just a few episodes prior to Amy & Rory's departure, The Doctor already had found a work-around for his own "death." Who is to say that Amy's written claim that they would never meet again was the truth? Could the Doctor not travel to Earth at all during those years they were alive? They both lived into the 1980s, and perhaps into the 1990s. Could they not travel out of New York? What was keeping The Doctor from meeting Amy and Rory 50, 100, 500, 5000 miles away from New York?
The problem when writers try to be too "clever", especially dealing with time-travel, is that they introduce these kinds of silly issues.
Amy and Rory should have left the Doctor on good terms at the end of series 6, with their final scene being the Christmas dinner they have in "The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe." Their end was too melodramatic and The Doctor's reaction to their "passing" was equally so.
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The Doctor can't visit them because he doesn't want to. The Angels provided closure, something the Doctor is not very good at, if he went and found them then he would eventually need closure again.
shareWhich is the same reason he can't save Krypton from exploding.
shareYes.
But it never made sense.
I've been there, and believe me, once is more than enough!
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shareMoffat's explanation for 'The Angels Take Manhattan' was that ordinarily, the Doctor could go back and save Amy and Rory and put fake tombstones to work around the fixed point. However, given that they'd already just caused a massive paradox in New York in 1938 (due to Amy and Rory killing themselves to escape Rory's fate), it would be difficult to do so without risking some serious damage to space-time.
Also, the fact that Weeping Angels are involved might have something to do with it. The Doctor wasn't able to save the people sent back by Weeping Angels in 'Blink' either. Maybe a fixed point in time created by Weeping Angels is more sacrosanct than a 'normal' fixed point...and even if the Doctor could find a way around it, the potential damage to space-time in New York on top of the earlier paradox didn't make it worth a risk.
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