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The 'Surge' is working


I just happend to see Why We Fight yesterday afternoon. This movie
was really thought provoking. I thought Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911
was way too one sided but I really liked this movie.

The scary part is how one of the people interviewed stated "the reason
there isn't an exit strategy is because there is no intention to leave."

Today Gen. David Petraeus says the surge in Iraq is working. I am not
the least surprised.

My one question, which country will be next? I think Iran.

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There is no plan to leave. We should have left after Saddam was removed.
The agenda of American imperialism is alive and well.

Human Beings...Wow

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would you rather Soviet Imperialism had succeeded?

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What does Soviet imperialism have to do with the American occupation of Iraq. The Soviet Union broke up many years before Bush the Lesser's invasion of Iraq.

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If you really believe that America is "imperialist", you are a dope.

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America has been Imperialist - either militarily, economically or both, for well over 100 years. Anyone who does not believe this is burying their head in the sand.

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If you really believe that America is not "imperialist", you are a dope.


fixed your typo.

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<<If you really believe that America is not "imperialist", you are a dope.>>

The last "empire" in the world was the USSR.

Please tell me which countries we are treating in the same way that the USSR treated the countries of eastern europe that used to be under their thumb.

I'm waiting......

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Amen Crother!!

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Ummm...Iraq, Afghanistan...Cuba, too name a few...Any other country that American Industrial Military machine has left in shambles

President Bush Molested me as a Fetus

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There are many out there that would argue that America is not imperialistic. I'm not of this school of thought however and it could be argued that the United States isn't imperialistic by traditional definitions. The classic modern example that could be used safely would probabaly be...the British empire? I'm just putting that out there for now as my opinion without getting into a lengthy tirade when I'm supposed to be working and not on imdb haha.

What I think is undeniable though is that American foreign policy in regards to Iraq became way too confused and muddled. The after the stated aims and goals of the war was accomplished, the States and British forces should have patted themselves on their backs and packed up and went home. Instead, American forces stayed and became bogged down in more fighting. This rebuilding effort and policy decision may end up being a fool's errand imho but only time will decide that. Nevertheless, it certainly is a costly decision in both time, money and blood. It is anybody's guess as to the reason for this decision to attempt to weld together a working multi-ethnic nation. Oh there are the official reasonings abound but the pragmatist in me is screaming out that the States wanted to help build a stable and pro US nation in the ME that would allow for a large scale (maybe permanent?) military presence that would allow for fast projection of military power. This may sound silly but I'm not about to rule out the possibility that there is perhaps some sense of American altruism at play here. As I see it, the US could have bowled over Iraq and then set up shop in the north where the Kurds are friendly to the US...although...with them being so fiesty, they might not have allowed for such a US presence...then again, major US bases in their area would have provided the Kurds with security of the likes they have never seen before. Then again, this might have been impossible to accomplish if they let the rest of Iraq implode like it is now. I truely think that the planners of this conflict never envisioned the problems that they would encounter that they are now with sectarian conflict. Maybe they thought that there was a stronger sense of nationhood that overshadowed any religious issues? I don't know for sure, this is only my thoughts on the continuing Iraq conflict.

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Although most of your post I almost 100% agree with...The part about the psople in charge not knowing how bad it was going to be over there is kinda incorrect...the first time The states invaded Iraq we didn't think to go into Baghdad for this exact reason...there are interviews with Cheney with him saying that it would have been like "Smacking a hornets nest"...But as far as the rest of your post, yes the British Empire historically has been far worse on the subject of imperialism...In fact this Fad of American Imperialism has only come to the surface in the last 30 years

President Bush Molested me as a Fetus

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Interesting. So you're a Christian that actually isn't for fighting the Muslims, and doesn't agree with everything the 700 Club tells you? lol. I never heard of Habakkuk, but, did a quick search and found out it was in the Dead Sea scrolls that never made it into the "official" bibles. I haven't been to church in a long time, and am curious; do religious leaders consider the Dead Sea scrolls to be legitimate, and the word of god?

In my opinion, I think the U.N. is America. We supply most of the troops, the money, and the U.N. lets the U.S. do whatever it wants. Also, from what I know of Marx, I like his ideas and criticisms of capitalism (although, I haven't read the Communist Manfesto, so I don't know all of his ideas). I imagine he had something in mind like what the Amish have for a society, but without their extreme customs, lol. I'm not afraid of Communism, as long as a government doesn't try to enforce it (I guess I'm a anarcho-communist).

It is kinda crazy that what's been going on recently corresponds with bible prophecies like RFID chips, U.N., Bush Sr's declaration of the NWO, Globalization, Isreal, war in the middle-east (well, when is there not war in the middle-east, lol). But, on the other hand, the prophecies are vague. I remember watching the Omega Code movie a second time a little while after the "war on terror" began and said to myself "wow, this is pretty much like what's going on now," when it showed the U.S. going to the middle-east (to fight terrorism none-the-less). And that movie was made in '99; two years before 9/11. It almost seems like the most powerful people in the world (industrialists, bankers, government, etc...) are trying to fulfill the prophecies. I mean, c'mon, why else would you make Isreal a nation again.

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