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Great Musician, but what an Elitist A-Hole!

posted 18 years ago by dblsweetness08
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Man, Paul Green appears to be an amazing guitarist and musician all around, but I really just can't stand his elitist attitide about music. He talks about copporate bands and crap when he literally puts together bands himself. Now, I'm all for what he does with the Rock School, its a really cool thing to do for kids and teens. But come on! And say what you want about three-chord popualr punk bands, but saying that they don't have staying power is just bull crap. I don't want to start a debate about whether they are good or not, but bands like Green Day have been around since 1989 and show no signs of stopping. You can call them sellouts if you want, but they do have staying power. I just cringe at elitists like this guy, superiority is not what Rock Music as about and never has been. It's about agression, rebelion, soul, feeling. Not social structure

[–] reallymashed 18 years ago

agreed

[–] ktims-1 18 years ago

actually i think your full of b.s.... hard rock has always hated punk rock because there is no musicianship no talent, NOTHING except jumping up and down on a stage and shoving a safety pin through your nose. Paul Green is 100% right... do you think 311 and blink 182 are going to go down as great rock & roll of the 20th century?!?! NO!!!! which means it has no staying power.. the greats like led zeppelin, black sabbath, queen, ZAPPA, and countless others will never be lost and every new generation will rediscover it and be inspired to listen to real ROCK & ROLL

METAL 4 LIFE

[–] bikeboy773 18 years ago

"actually i think your full of b.s.... hard rock has always hated punk rock because there is no musicianship no talent, NOTHING except jumping up and down on a stage and shoving a safety pin through your nose. Paul Green is 100% right... do you think 311 and blink 182 are going to go down as great rock & roll of the 20th century?!?! NO!!!! which means it has no staying power.. the greats like led zeppelin, black sabbath, queen, ZAPPA, and countless others will never be lost and every new generation will rediscover it and be inspired to listen to real ROCK & ROLL"

Oh, so I guess punk bands like The Ramones, Sex Pistols, Misfits, Dead Kennedys, The Clash, Wire, Pink Floyd, Black Flag, The Distillers, etc. never had anything going for them? Huh, interesting. And no, bands like Blink 182 cannt be considered punk. They are called Pop or Pop Punk. They never tried to be Rock & Roll. They sound more Pop than Punk, so grouping them together isn't wise at all. Also, get off your high horse. If someone likes Green Day or Blink 182 or something along those lines, who are you to judge? Oh yes, a "true" rock fan. Last time I checked, the spirit of rock & roll was NOT to judge, or am I wrong?

[–] spacemonkey9 18 years ago

Pink Floyd is not punk. In no way whatsoever. They're not even close to being considered punk.

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Rock School 8/10

[–] dibbler5 17 years ago

Indeed - they are, in fact, just about the closest thing to the opposite of punk rock.

Johnny Rotten is famous for his t-shirt that read "I hate Pink Floyd".

[–] jesus_sanchezz 15 years ago

'Pink Floyd is not punk. In no way whatsoever. They're not even close to being considered punk.'

Piper at the Gates of Dawn is pretty punk. So is Sid's solo albums.

[–] lilpunkx 18 years ago

Ehh, in this post I shall cover a couple subjects

Punk Vs. Rock n' roll metall and etc.

Lets not lie we know that rock n roll require more talent, tis mroe complex music how ever thats not what music is about. It is all about what you like listening to. You could be amazing and know every scale there was but if you play bad sounding music no one will like you. For instance Andre Segovia is the most knowledgable gutiar player whoever lived but most people don't listen to him because he plays spanish classical music proving that is all about what you like. (not that Segovia doesn't play beautiful music and some people defitnley like him)

Will Punk Live on

Well of course for the last 20 years it's been pop culture, i mean people might not respect it but people will remember it...I mean we remember Frank Sinatra...but then agian how many kids today know about Led Zep and Black Sabbath.

Greenday and other "sell-outs"
Greenday and alot of other puink bands aren't sell outs because they always played like that. Sell-outs are like OAR who change to be popular

thats all for now

[–] roseslat 18 years ago

When was Pink Floyd considered punk rock? Was it that one song off that one album? I'm just saying. That statement confused me. Oh, and plenty of kids know who Led Zeppelin and Sabbath are. Some choose to ignore their existence for whatever's on MTV.

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[–] roseslat 18 years ago

Yeah. . .

I am not your captain.

[–] dblsweetness08 18 years ago

I know, and people like Billie Joe Armstong of Green Day have SAID that they arent good guitarists; they admit it with complete honesty. They've never caimed to be Hendrix or anything. I mean Jimmy Hendrix, Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath are ALL amazing talents AND legends. There's no denying that; certainly not from me anyway. I'm just saying that simple music can be great and important too. I mean Rock & Roll is far less complicated then a Symphony Ochestra; so should that make Rock & Roll less of an art? If Jackson Pollack can throw paint at a blank canvas and call it art, then a three chord rock song with good lyrics that is performed with honesty and feeling, sad or humorous, sure as hell can be too.

[–] renzelda 17 years ago

Heavy Metal is NOT Rock N' Roll!!!

[–] Xardas 17 years ago

I agree with dbl, dissing a style because it's less complex is just DUMB. Let go of this punk vs metal BS and move on.

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[–] garriotts 17 years ago

I agree. The most compelling and enjoyable music is often the simplest like The Ramones or early Dylan. There's a lot of bad simple music too, but there's a lot of boring complex music, and complexity or virtuosity should never take prescident over the finished product, well it can I just don't wanna hear it.

[–] GraphicBlandishment 11 years ago

I couldn't figure out why Sheryl Crow in particular came in for such abuse in the movie. I'm not even a fan of hers but her stuff sounds well considered and well produced to me.

The kids in the movie are at an age where they can be easily swayed by musical prejudice; I think of the girl putting down Sheryl Crow and even the strumming of 'open D' chords for heaven's sake. Few people on earth can be snottier about music than precocious youngsters. It's too bad the instructor encourages this.

It's great they expanded their horizons musically, but they need a more generous overview of what makes people love the songs they love. Virtuosity is admirable but it's not everything (to me it's not anything!)

I think it was Lou Reed who said, "One chord is fine....two chords is pushing it....three chords and you're into jazz".

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