The Hate must stop!


It's high time someone made a movie like this to document all the stupid(and highly offensive) notions people tend to associate with jews. It's not fair on them and it never was.

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9/11 happened because of retaliation from the early 80's when Ronald Reagan OKed the Jews to attack Lebanon in which the Americans and Jews killed thousands of innocent people and destroyed their two buildings. This has been stated many times by the individuals who orchestrated the attacks in NY and Washington including Osama Bin Laden. Also the Jews aren't the only people in the world who are looked down upon. African Americans, Native Americans, Irish, Germans, worshipers of Islam...Many ethnic groups and many religions are looked down upon by racists and not just by the white people. There are racists within every racial group, including racist Jews who I've personally known a lot of them in my life time. I think it's lame that the Jews cry "poor me poor me" because it's not just them and they are just as wrong with their racism as any other group of people.

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i haven't seen (even heard of) a full-blown documentary about the racism against followers of Islam in America.

Why am i seeing a documentary about anti-semitism BEFORE i see one about anti-islam?

why does this premise make no sense to me?

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You are seeing a documentary of anti-semitism in America because there are 3 times as many anti-semitic attacks than there are anti-islam attacks. Check the FBI statistics. Maybe now this premise makes sense to you.

Because the other three are figments of your *beep* imagination!

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this is true, and it's sad that the numbers for attacks on jewish-americans were that high even before 9/11.

i personally don't know anyone who thinks jewish people had anything to do with 9/11. i'm sure every rascist skinhead interviewed will promote that point of view though, but that's what happens when you interview a bunch of rascist skinheads.

i can make a documentary against christianity. i'll just interview a ton of satanists.

i can also make a documentary against the akins diet by interviewing pastry chefs.

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I saw the movie. It was more about many in the Arab world spreading Protocols of the Elders of Zion as truth and saying that Jews knew about 9/11 beforehand, but there was a skinhead thrown in the mix.

:) to your pastry chef comment

Because the other three are figments of your *beep* imagination!

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"...the germans didn't want to admit it was their fault for WWI, so they blamed the jews."

First, what they blamed the Jews for was the LOSS of the war by Germany. Second, the Germans were quite right in denying war-guilt in that they DIDN'T start the war. Austria-Hungary did, when it made what its leaders knew were completely unacceptable demands of Serbia. They used this as the pretext to declare war, and thanks to the well-known "entangling alliances," Europe fell into disaster.

"The whites don't want to admit that they hold blame for the criminal element in the US, sot hey blame blacks and hispanics."

So, Polically-Correct, are you saying that White people are responsible for all crime in the U.S.? That no Blacks and Hispanics are criminals? Or that Black and Hispanic criminals are ALWAYS motivated by what White people do? What about crimes in which both the perps and victims are Black or Hispanic repectively?

Yeah, Wayne Williams killed all those Black kids because of Whitey. Sure he did. Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.

"An Archer is known by his aim, not by his arrows."
-Li Chen-Sung (Richard Loo) The Outer Limits

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Germany attacked Poland in 1939 and it is generally accepted that this sparked the Second World War.

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Germany annexed Poland. The United Kingdom then declared War on Germany. The united Kingdom therefore started WW2. Please get your facts right.

Who'll dare tread upon the tail of my coat?

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Also the Jews aren't the only people in the world who are looked down upon. African Americans, Native Americans, Irish, Germans, worshipers of Islam... I think it's lame that the Jews cry "poor me poor me" because it's not just them and they are just as wrong with their racism as any other group of people.

So Jews don’t have the right to try to protect themselves from racism because other minorities are also oppressed? Interesting logic.

What I find the most fascinating is the apparent need of some to deny or downplay the existence of anti-Semitism. With a two thousand year history of anti-Semitism it suddenly becomes Jews crying “poor me, poor me”. The idiocy of that statement would be laughable if it wasn’t so indicative of the basic tenets of anti-Semitism.

There seems to be an opinion that acknowledgment of anti-Semitism or particular atrocities somehow condones a lack of acknowledgment of racism or atrocities carried out against others. One can recognize and speak out against anti-Semitism or the atrocities of the Holocaust while also acknowledging the attempted genocide of Native Americans or other ethnicities and nationalities. It is not a competition for who has suffered the most injustice. Does it make any sense to discount racism against a minority because of racism against another minority? One group’s persecution never negates the persecution or atrocities carried out against another group.

You will find that many Jews who take it upon themselves to fight anti-Semitism are also activists against current atrocities being perpetrated around the world. Just one example is the campaign of rape, slaughter and displacement currently being carried out in the western region of Sudan, the largest country in Africa. Government-supported troops have displaced 2.5 million people in the past two years, hundreds of thousands have died due to attacks, disease and starvation, and it is estimated that 500 men, women and children continue to die every day. For more info visit, http://savedarfur.org/home

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911 happened for 1 and only 1 reason, money.

Osama is just a scapegoat, who gets his paychecks by the CIA.





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I'm a college student who just got back from a study term in Egypt, where I made a lot of friends. Certainly this conspiracy theory is not popular in the US, but it is quite popular in the Arab world, even among educated people like my friends. Moreover, there's a huge misconception that says that American has a much larger Jewish population than it actually does, and that they control our government [One guy I met believed that the Senate was 75% Jewish].

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The Color Purple-- story of a lesbian poor black woman suffering racism and sexist brutality in the south also an Oscar winner(true directed by a white jew, but humor me) won

Roots-- Alex Haley's epic of African slavery, Directors Guild winner, Multiple emmy award winner

Thelma and Louise-- post-feminist story of women breaking free of sexism, Oscar winner and multiple oscar nominee

Where the Green Ants Dream--Award winning film by Werner Herzog about the racist oppression of the aboriginal peoples of Australia

These are just four examples but there is a plethora of others. Please, I'm so sick and tired of hearing b**ching and moaning everytime a Jewish person mentions that there is anti-semitism. WAtch the frigging movie.

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sorry, one last thing. What I meant by those examples were to show just a couple of the many instances where the elite establishment in the film/television world recognized works that talk about the oppression of people BESIDES the Jews. I love how you moan about Polanski being recognized for Pianist as if a wicked Jewish Cabal conspired for it to succeed. Tell me, did the millions who saw it and kept seeing it: were they part of the conspiracy, too? Are their black helicopters flying outside of your window? They're israeli copters, too, aren't they! THose Jews will do anything!

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Not talking about any conspiracy here, it's just depressing how films about the Holocaust are aggressively promoted and become hits (and the "millions who saw it and kept seeing it" are obviously a result of this), even though the story has been told and told again from dozens of different angles, with the sole intent of making money for big fat pockets. Meanwhile, can you count how many movies have been made about the plight of the Palestinian people? Or the Armenian genocide by Turkey? Or the anti-Islam frenzy taking the world by storm? Or, for that matter, the bloodshed left behind by US "peace missions" throughout the past 100 years?

This is what I find shocking.

There are three kinds of people in the world: Those who can do maths, and those who can't.

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There are far fewer Armenians in the world then Jews. That's part of the reason. Although I appreciate you mentioning that case, as I am Armenian. Part of the reason though that we don't hear about the Arm Gen is because Turkey is the US ally and Turkey (unlike Germany) does not admit that the genocide happened. Since Germany has been so humbled by the aftermath of WWII (and once again, I know this from personal experience. I toured a play throughout Germany and Eastern Europe as a kid, and we had countless countless contacts and interaction with schools and peace organizations, all giving the clear impression that this was a country and a region that wanted to atone. Compare that to any Turkish person I've met when I tell them about my Grandfather's exp in the genocide in Armenia: they tell me it never happened)

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i'm not saying that jewish culture/history is being agressively promoted. and i'm definitely not saying that hollywood doesn't focus on other groups either in america or in the world.

what i'm saying is that this film really seems to be preaching to the choir. i ended up seeing it. it's a good film with an interesting focus. but there's no need to get all preachy about "reasons why the focus is jewish and not _____." they still focused on jewish culture in america. therefore people will always wonder why they DIDN'T choose to focus on another culture.

could the answer ever be "they just didn't?" no, (someone will probably say),there NEEDS to be a reason... no, in fact, there doesn't.

and yes, the hate must stop, but this doesn't mean toward jewish people exclusively, which seems like the point people are trying to make here. stop hatin' on the imdb boards.

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"Stupid" is right. Did you catch the guy at the beginning who confirmed the conspiracy within NYC because the former mayor of NYC was named "Jew-li-ani" (really "Giuliani", an Italian)? How 'bout the skinhead in the mountains of West Virginia (I'll refrain from incest and inbreeding stereotypes--oops...maybe not) who used to think of Jews as "white people who have a different religion"?

If you're gonna hate people, at least present your argument intelligently; otherwise, you're just making yourself look bad.

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And how, pray tell, does one make hate stop? Are we talking only about hate toward the Jews? What about the hate everyone else experiences? Hate is hate: hating one is no better or worse than hating another. It just is.

Heard an interesting story today on the History Channel about the French genocide of Lombardians during the Renaissance. Alas, the poor, slaughtered Lombardians had no one saying, "The hate must stop!" for them.

So how do you make people stop hating? And what about the subtle abuses people are subjected to on a daily basis, including those abuses extended by Jews? There has been many an outcry in this country about Jewish bigotry towards Blacks, and it's not an outcry without ground. I've heard some pretty apalling comments made at Jewish cocktail parties about a wide variety of cultures.

Bigotry isn't a one-sided issue. Hate must stop, period; but good luck making it happen.

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"The hate must stop"
There may be a ray of sunshine in this unforgiving world we live in. I've seen this phrase a hundred times before--and I keep repeating it when I get a chance.

This film is a good example of a slice of the population that is bigoted--this topic happens to be against Jews.

Bigotry, hatred, fear and intolerance--you're right--it happens in all cultures.

Hopefully, the numbers of people who are getting sick and tired of these antiquated ideas are growing.

Vicious circles that go nowhere effect us all. The idea that Jews are trying to take over the world, or the idea that Palestinians are trying to kill all Jews, or the idea that Muslims want to kill all Jews, or the idea that whites are better than blacks, or the idea that men are more capable than women, the idea that homosexuality is a sin--around and around and around it goes.

We're all the same--we're habitants of earth. Maybe someday we'll get to the point in a sort of social evoluntionary jump where we all agree that judging people by superficial criteria is unfair. Race, religion, gender, language and sexual orientation are the superficial criteria that we judge an individual's capabilities on.

But not all of us judge people like that--take the computer industry for instance. They've realized that anybody can build and programme a computer regardless of their nationality. Thus, your computer components, and some tech support services are performed in Third World countries cause its 50 thousand times cheaper to build something in Pakistan or Turkey than it is in the U.S. Why pay a Westerner $80 thousand a year when you can pay a foreigner $500 per year to do the exact same job just as well?

Car manufacturers move their plants to Mexico--mexicans can build American cars just as well as Americans can. Pieces of American cars are built in Canada. You think you're driving an American car? Think again.

Its ironic that many people in society are bigots. They don't realize that their consumer goods are being made out of the country and shipped in at a fraction of the cost.

Big business and multi-nationals are not colorblind.

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Not at all. But are you blaming Israel for that? US aid to Israel is a reflection of US policy. Does the fact that the US gives so much aid to Israel justify anti-Semitism?

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The reason for 9/11 was because of U.S. mideast policy. That's it. It's that simple.

Bin Laden told us that if we didn't have troops in Saudi Arabia (at that time) and didn't attack Arabs during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1983, and in other times, we would not have been attacked. So, yes, Israel is indirectly responsible because of their lobby in the U.S., AIPAC, who pushed the U.S. into taking a hard pro-Israel stance.

Check out these links:

http://www.aipac.org/documents/whoweare.html

http://www.acsa2000.net/press/Oct292004bin_laden_tape.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=581817

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/dod/usfrnklin80205ind.pdf


As for me, I'm pro-Israel. I believe that Israel should have deported every last Palestinian into Lebanon in 1967. But Israel business interests wanted cheap Palestinian labor, so the Palestinians stated and the trouble continues.

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The reason for 9/11 was because of U.S. mideast policy. That's it. It's that simple.
Bin Laden told us that if we didn't have troops in Saudi Arabia (at that time) and didn't attack Arabs during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1983, and in other times, we would not have been attacked. So, yes, Israel is indirectly responsible because of their lobby in the U.S., AIPAC, who pushed the U.S. into taking a hard pro-Israel stance.






You confusing responsibility for the cause with responsibility for the action. It's widely accepted that US and Israeli policy was that cause of 911. However, the film shows some who believe that Israelis were actually the perpetrators and that Jews were warned of the events in advance.

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I believe the issue goes much deeper than that.

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"Ronald Reagan OKed the Jews to attack Lebanon "
maybe you should return to history class mindlessfilms .

The invasion of lebanon was not even oked by the israeli prime minister ! :lol:

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"It's widely accepted that US and Israeli policy was that cause of 911."

No it's not.

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The reason for 9/11 was because of U.S. mideast policy. That's it. It's that simple.

Actually, it's both U.S. Middle East policy and our secular society.


Bin Laden told us that if we didn't have troops in Saudi Arabia (at that time) and didn't attack Arabs during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1983, and in other times, we would not have been attacked.

We had troops in Saudi Arabia before he was even born, and we didn't "attack Arabs during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon." We sent in peace-keeping troops along with the UK, France, and Italy, and were attacked BY Arab & Muslim terrorists there, including but not limited to the Iranian-Syrian-backed Hezbollah.

So, yes, Israel is indirectly responsible because of their lobby in the U.S., AIPAC, who pushed the U.S. into taking a hard pro-Israel stance.

No, it's actually the Holocaust and the threat of the Arab & Muslim world to seek another one that pushes us into taking a hard pro-Israel stance.


As for me, I'm pro-Israel. I believe that Israel should have deported every last Palestinian into Lebanon in 1967. But Israel business interests wanted cheap Palestinian labor, so the Palestinians stated and the trouble continues.

The thing is, though; Israelis and Palestinians both have legitimate claims to the Holy Land. The fact that both sides are so convinced the other has no legitimate claim is what's causing all the bloodshed. I wonder how many Palestinians know that Israel prevented some Jewish extremists from blowing up The Dome of the Rock back in 2002. I posted this fact on an IMDb board about two years ago, and some Palestinian user was quite surprised to hear this, which convinces me that the Palestinian Media has been keeping facts like this from their people, whether they're controlled by Fatah, Hamas, or the Hezbollah.




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This reminds me of the part where the Reverend "Smiley-faced Guy" made an appearance at the opening of The Passion of the Christ.

A Jewish man brought up the holocaust and this Reverend fellow dismissed him by saying that only today and tomorrow matter. He compared the holocaust to ancient battles. I mean, I agree, the Greco-Persian Wars (499-448 BC) aren't going to have much relevance to us. However, there are still holocaust survivors alive today. The War was only a few generations ago (69 years)--that's not long ago.

It's relevant. And I don't see anything wrong with bringing it up over and over again. The idea underlying the fact that millions of Jews were slaughtered should be that these acts should never happen again.

So, we're all in agreement that we would all recognize a move towards the mass slaughter of Jews and how it came about that this was acceptable to people.

Unfortunately, the same thing seems to be happening to Muslims now and other visible minorities. The ideas are brewing that Muslims are terrorists, blacks and hispanics are less capable than whites and asians.

Which country is kidnapping Muslims off of the streets by the tens of thousands under the guise of "Security".

The word "Security" has become a blanket term to condone any government action, illegal or otherwise.

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