MovieChat Forums > The Devil and Daniel Johnston (2006) Discussion > The 'if you don't like it, you don't und...

The 'if you don't like it, you don't understand real music' argument


I've noticed that whenever someone makes the slightest critical remark about Johnston's music, the general stock-response from the passionate fan is often of the "...go back to listening to [insert generic mainstream boy band here]" variety. Apparently, and I've read this on the board, if you don't like Daniel Johnston, you simply don't understand real music; you don't know what music sounds like when it's played with heart and soul.

I'm sorry, but this attitude is complete bull, and you know it.

One doesn't have to be a teenybopper to see that, through the childlike lyrics, the sloppy playing, the one-note melodies and the clunky rhythms, there is absolutely nothing here approaching talent or skill.

That isn't to say that an individual cannot find worth in this stuff. I understand that a lot of the appeal of this music is in the personal connection. People get wrapped up in the back-story, the personality and the purely tabloid stuff. They buy into the artist rather than the art (hence why most fans will refer to him as "Daniel", as if they're on a first name basis with the guy). However, a supportive parent will always praise their child's stick-figure drawing as if it were the work of Van Gogh... but that doesn't necessarily make it so.

Most fans of Johnston freely admit that he "can't sing... he can't play the guitar" but will nonetheless proclaim him a musical genius with absolutely nothing to authenticate their claims. Again, it's one thing to like a musician, and to support them or promote them, but hailing Johnston as a genius without being sufficiently able to substantiate such a position only makes you look foolish, especially when you try to use that opinion to flaunt your own supposed superiority over those who disagree with you.

Just a thought.

reply

I agree with you 100%. In particular, I found his song about being in a demon town with vampires puzzling and nonsensical. I can't help but think that people hail him as a musical genius only because they feel sympathy for him because of his personal problems and they find it "cute".

What if every human was bad?

reply

To Shinobu_Sensui. To comment that 'people hail him as a musical genius only because they feel sympathy for him because of his personal problems' is very naive. One man's genius is another man's idiot. The quality of music cannot be measured because we are all moved by different things. Nobody is ever right or wrong with their tastes, and nobody is qualified enough to proclaim somebody a universal genius, because they do not exist. Just out of curiosity, have you ever watched a film about a town full of vampires and did you find it puzzling and nonsensical?

reply

One man's genius is another man's idiot. The quality of music cannot be measured because we are all moved by different things. Nobody is ever right or wrong with their tastes, and nobody is qualified enough to proclaim somebody a universal genius, because they do not exist.


+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

reply

I hold him in high honors just for playing at the places and meeting the people that I know I never will get the chance to do.

Art isn't always what people think it should be. Art is determined by how well the artist can explain/express feelings of their work and how many people believe the artist... In my book anyway.

Honestly it took me a week to get used to his music... After that I fell in love with the songs. Some songs are better than the others but I think it really depended on which side of Daniel out that day.

reply

[deleted]

I don't know if you're one of those people that judges Dan's music exclusively from what's heard in the movie, but that is the one area where director Jeff Feuerzeig stumbled, in my opinion. He almost exclusively chose the songs heard in the film to echo the story being told ("insane" and "demon"-centered material) at the expense of actually showing off Daniel at his best. Sure, anyone would be hard-pressed to turn someone on to Dan's music with only stuff like this to use as examples:

HELD THE HAND by Daniel Johnston

Oh my lord, I am so bored.
Held the hand of Satan.

Oh Laura, what has happened to you?
Held the hand of the devil.

I was on MTV. Everybody was lookin' at me.
Held the hand of the devil.


But... do you really find the following lyrics "ironic", "crazy" and "phuking hilarious" -- apart from Dan's intentionally humorous use of a couple of made-up words, that is? (Melodically, listen to Kathy McCarty's version from the Before Sunrise soundtrack for best results: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6scamDr1r3s )

LIVING LIFE by Daniel Johnston

Hold me like a mother would.
Like I always knew somebody should,
Although tomorrow don't look that good.

Well, it only goes to show,
Though people say we're an unlikely couple,
I'm seeing double (of you).

Oh, this is life,
And everything's all right.
Living living living living... life!

There's hope for the hopeless.
I'm learning to cope with
The emotion-less "mediocrisy"
Of day-to-day living

I can't help being restless
When everything's so tasteless
And all of the colors seem to have
Faded away.

This is life,
And everything's all right.
Living living living living... life!

So hold me like a mother would.
Like I always knew somebody should,
Although tomorrow don't look that good.
Well, it just goes to show,
Though people say we're an unlikely couple:
Doris Day, and Mott the "Hupple"

This is life
And everything's all right
Living living living living... life!

reply

[deleted]