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Think Carefully before seeing this dangerous (yes, dangerous) movie


If you are considering seeing this movie, I implore you to get very grounded in scripture so that your thinking is not severely poisoned. This is not too strong a statement - please bear with me and seriously consider this critique before seeing or showing this movie to anyone.

I do think the movie was well-made, directed, acted, etc. but I was very disappointed and sorry I brought it home. There are some key reasons why.

Healing and raising the dead are, according to the commands to us in the Bible, supposed to be normal for the Christian church at large. The fact that the churches involved in the movie were so taken by them, and as well that they were totally attributed to an evil personage, is a sad but true commentary of the state of the church (and I do know that there are some who may read this that see miracles in your churches weekly - obviously not talking about you but you ARE a minority :).

The 2nd reason is that, for those Christians that are NOT aware of their authority in Christ (see Luke 9, 10, Matt 10, James 5 for examples), this movie has a high potential for making them think that anything of this nature must be of the devil. There weren't any examples of Christians correctly operating in these areas to bring any balance. That the very holy gifts that have been given us through the holy presence and ministry of the Holy Spirit were only represented as attributed to demonic activity is very close to blaspheming Him and His ministry.

Lastly, that the demons had such an upperhand over the saints (e.g. could restrain them at will) is a totally false representation of reality (again see the Luke references) and could bring extreme fear on the unlearned/immature in the truth.

Don't get me wrong, considering author Frank P.'s heart (we've read his original thrillers and his Dr. Cooper series, various articles as well as heard numerous interviews with him over the last 18 years) I'm sure these serious consequences were not his intention - indeed there are issues here he may not be aware of.

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I do get your point, but seriously, there are far serious threats than this completely stupid film. Some supposedly Christian churches themselves have people brainwashed and in complete fear of God and all non Christians! That is more dangerous than a film such as this, which most people with half a brain can distingush as throwaway entertainment, NOT to be taken seriously or literallly, unlike some extremist Christian preachers.

I do consider myself a Christian by the way, but I don't like that forceful, fearmongering and dangerous style of preaching you have going on in the USA. That's just wrong.

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>>"Lastly, that the demons had such an upperhand over the saints (e.g. could restrain them at will) is a totally false representation of reality"


LOL
Oh my... just... WOW.

"totally false representation of reality".....
I cant stop laughing....

"reality"....
please stop me before I burst my gut.

I can't beleieve you and people like you can actually make it through life.

>>" I implore you to get very grounded in scripture so that your thinking is not severely poisoned."

TOO LATE

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There are ones that are very impressionable who could get a warped view of things said in the movie. There are ones who do not go to church nor have an upbringing in the church who, again, may see a wrong picture of things from the movie. These same people will have a different view of life already and even if the movie were changed to reflect more positive Christian ways, it would not really matter. They would not 'see' right and wrong, good and bad as they have no background in knowledge of it as to your concerns. BUT anyone with any Christian background and any common sense will see and know, this is just a Hollywood flick made to make money and not trying to reflect any Christian statement. Just for entertainment, even it being a 'B' movie at best. If people are looking for Christian values and knowledge in all of the movies they see, this one will not make a dent in their lives compared to the other 80% of movies they will see in their lifetime...

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If you think its so stupid why dont you just stop reading and go look up some other movie. BTW, We'll see whos laughing in 80 years.

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Caugh! Caugh! Excuse me?

It depends on your perspective and perceptions my friend. I happen to be a Neopagan of some quarter century past and what ye may seek to cite caution of be nay intimidation to me.

I would remind you that there is a very real manifestation of the entities pertaining to darkness and the collective conscious of Judaic variant doctrines give rise to many forms of demonic existance, then are very poorly equipped to deal with the fall out.

Creating something then burying ones head in the sand because of the power of such demonic manifestation in corpus to this plane is too much to deal with nor bear witnes to, does more harm and no good at all. 'Tis more often they of my creed and similar who are left to actually bring stability between the realms and of light and darkness yet those who often create evil shun pagans and Neopagans as heretics. 'Tis a strange existance!

I prefer horror fiction that has a fundemental basis of truth as one needs to know the darkness to defeat the darkness.

The truths within fiction are most often a real point of reference to the manifestations of our reality, indeed!

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It's not dangerous to me, it would be nice if you had added a prelude to your statement rather than assuming that everyone reading it would be Christian.

I'm not and I don't like it when people assume that I am.

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Well what if it does exist? You said you doubt, but you think it might?? Well i suggest you dont risk it. Besides, there is no loss in following jesus, so why not?

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>>"Well what if it does exist? You said you doubt, but you think it might?? Well i suggest you dont risk it. Besides, there is no loss in following jesus, so why not?"

I couldn't let this go.. I didn't make the comment to which this moron is replying to, but I felt the need to point out his stupidity in the reply above.


"risk it"? like in.. ok. you should probably pretend then?
or as in... (sabre rattling) believe now or suffer later.

either way coercement or fear mongering isn't something an "almighty" would forget to take into consideration.



You people are just really sad.

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"risk it"? like in.. ok. you should probably pretend then?
or as in... (sabre rattling) believe now or suffer later.

I think the point is that Jesus Christ spoke of peace and love and that ain't bad, so why not just try to be like him? You don't have to be religious or even a Christian, just look at what the man had to say and you may find he was extremely human, extremely kind. I would much prefer his way to the way we are going now.

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that wasn't the point at all.
(and I suspect you know that)

You either need to learn comprehension or find another way to insert your thoughts on the subject.

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Wow gormly - I'm a bit late but I just read your reply. Man you are an angry person. The point of the movie was to try to help each other. If you can't see that maybe you need to learn comprehension skills. Loosen up will ya', life is too short. You didn't like this film, fine, I did that should be fine with you. If not - try to get a life.

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To imdb-15682,

I am not a highly religious person so I will not attempt to discuss scripture but I do beleive that this is a movie for entertainment only and anyone with faith will take it as such.

To all those who feel the need to bash,

Let this person alone. I'm sure not everthing you post is insightful or agreeable to everyone so there is no reason for degrading comments. If you think I'm preaching, no, I'm just saying grow up and let people say their piece. They have as much right to voice an opinion as anyone. Even if you think its 'whatever', unless you can have a reasonable conversation, leave them alone.

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>>"They have as much right to voice an opinion as anyone. Even if you think its 'whatever', unless you can have a reasonable conversation, leave them alone."

Um, so I guess he has a right to an opinion and I do not?
Or since it might be construed as "picking" on him, I don't get a voice?

No one is surpressing his voice, I never said he didn't have the "right" to voice his utter dumbassedness.
I am only pointing out how completely stupid it is, I havent suppressed his rights.

I am sorry but I can't leave nutjob statements alone.
"dangerous (yes, dangerous) movie", which goes on to state how it is not close to "reality".

Please... Get off your high horse and and stop making hypocritical statements.

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Regarding...

>Healing and raising the dead are, according to the commands to us in the Bible, supposed to be normal for the Christian church at large. The fact that the churches involved in the movie were so taken by them, and as well that they were totally attributed to an evil personage, is a sad but true
>commentary of the state of the church

The above is a bizarre statement. The kinds of "healings" in this movie are almost never seen in the real world. It is completely appropriate for a Christian to be surprised by spontaneous healings. As for raising the dead, it is ridiculous to suggest that this should be regarded as an everyday occurance, unworthy of a strong reaction. Your comments are way off base here. Furthermore, the people reacting to these healings don't know if the guy is evil or not when the healings begin.

>The 2nd reason is that, for those Christians that are NOT aware of their authority in Christ (see Luke 9, 10, Matt 10, James 5 for examples), this movie has a high potential for making them think that
>anything of this nature must be of the devil.

This is just one story. There's no reason to think that this will poison people's minds in the way that you suggest. To explain more would give away plot points, so I will refrain from continuing.

>There weren't any examples of Christians correctly operating in these areas to bring any balance.

That is simply incorrect. The character portrayed by Randy Travis did this.

>That the very holy gifts that have been given us through the holy presence and ministry of the Holy Spirit were only represented as attributed to demonic activity is very close to blaspheming Him and His
>ministry.

That's the most bizarre statement you made. It's completely off base. You haven't backed your statement up in any way, so I won't go into further details (again, I don't want to give away plot info here), but you seem to be jumping to one false conclusion after another.

>Lastly, that the demons had such an upperhand over the saints (e.g. could restrain them at will) is a totally false representation of reality (again see the Luke references) and could bring extreme fear on
>the unlearned/immature in the truth.

The demons did not have control over any saints. There are no saints in the movie. Your argument is bizarre. It's like you didn't even watch the film.

>Don't get me wrong, considering author Frank P.'s heart (we've read his original thrillers and his Dr. Cooper series, various articles as well as heard numerous interviews with him over the last 18 years) I'm sure these serious consequences were not his intention - indeed there are issues here he may not be
>aware of.

Frank is aware of the film and loves it. I think you've misinterpreted the whole movie and I can't imagine more spurious statements.
--Jeff--

Jeffrey Lee Hollis

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Personally, i only have to look at this message board and know i'm on the right side, i read the comments from non believers who have mostly been rude and obnoxious, not thinking twice to slam this persons faith, and as for the comment just before mine - wow where did that come from huh?

Thanks everyone for re-affirming my faith in God and Jesus. i can see the hate and spite in those who see's this persons comment as a reason to attack Christians everywhere, and all of our beliefs. I mean imagine if someone where to make a comment on a car chase in a movie and we all start slamming car manufacturers - THAT is how bizarre and totally out of context some of your posts have been.

windrifter X

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Hi everyone

A rational perspective without flaming would help - firstly, as a non-christian (and spare me your pity or accusational tones) I watch films to enjoy them. If I was a christian, a jew or a muslim or anyone else who believed in Jesus and saints etc... I would not watch a movie like this. Nor would I watch it and then try to spoil the buzz for everyone else by patronising them with doom and gloom warnings. Films aren't dangerous. People's minds are dangerous, as we can see from some of the postings on the imdb (and this thread - there is nothing wrong with respecting someone's faith) and from countless acts of cruelty across the globe and throughout history (often in the name of belief, be it religious or political).

To be honest - I didn't watch that Passion of Christ film, either. Not because of my beliefs, but because I simply don't enjoy watching gory films focussing on torture and suffering. In the end, a film is just a film. Some claimed that the Passion was a very dangerous film because it promoted anti-semitism (and given the comments of its maker about Jews, one can hardly be surprised). I wouldn't know, having not seen the film. But I wouldn't let my children watch it.

No point warning me about biblical things in a film any more than warning me about the coming fall of the American empire based on, say Children of Men.


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Although I haven't seen the movie and it has been a while since I've read the book, I think you're somewhat misunderstanding this person's warnings. Since I can't exactly remember what happened, I won't comment on the healings and miracles in the show (although I do believe in miracles, my brother has been healed of things, and I do believe in the demonic), but for at least the 'saints' part, you are simply misinterpreting what the term means. In this sense, it simply means Christians. I've heard both Catholics and Protestants refer to your everyday Christians as saints, not in the sense that they are 'good' people or recognized as such by the church, but simply Christian.


Also, for those of you who are saying anyone is weak if they are influenced in their faith/thoughts by a movie, take a minute or two to actually think about it. EVERYTHING can effect the way you think. How do you think we learn? By observation. Probably not just one movie will do it, but after a while, it can add up. Really, I'm into Fantasy and Science Fiction books, but do I think that after reading a Wheel of Time book or a Harry Potter book that I can weave Saidar and use magic? Of course not! HOWEVER, I have noticed some really bizarre ideas about random aspects of life that have slowly made it into my mind, which I realized came from such sources. I've tossed some of these out after actually looking at them, but that doesn't mean I wasn't influenced. So when someone tries to warn you about some aspect of a show possibly misguiding your ideas about a particular religion, event, person or basically ANYTHING, it's fine to debate with them about it, but don't just bash them and tell them they're wrong and that it will never influence you. Just take it as is - someone trying to be helpful.

And if I come across as attacking anyone, I'm sorry, I don't mean to.

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It's only a film.

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You want to see a truly dangerous and disturbing movie? Check out "Jesus Camp"!

Yipes! Park your brain at the door.

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Was just thinking about it... however after reading the comments I HAVE to see this film. Hope I am strong enough to handle it.

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I'm not Christian, but last night God and Jesus came to me in my dreams! They informed me that the person that originally started this post is a troll. They also mentioned that they wish he would stop claiming to know them, as they are embarressed to be associated with him.

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I take offense to your rude comment. I AM a Christian, and all true Christians recognize the power of Satan. To be frightened of him, and all things pertaining to him, is wise. I can watch scarey movies, and they do not shake my faith at all. However, I respect others' opinions. My mother taught me such manners, didn't yours?

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People who let ANY movie influence them is weak of spirit, mind, and body. Grow up bible thumpers please.

What is dangerous are over zealous christians that think their way is the only way.

They claim that their God teaches them to love everyone and yet the vast majority do not practice as they preach.

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No, we don't think "our way" is the only way. We believe the words of Jesus Christ who said, HE is the only way. There's a difference in semantics there.

As far as the vast majority not practicint what they preach, I don't know how many Christians you know; or even if you know real AUTHENTIC Christians. There are plenty of people who say they're Christians and aren't. There are quite a few writings/analogies in the Bible about that.

So, there ARE phonies! And plenty of them. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ and pray everyday that the Lord make me real!!

But I think the most important thing to remember is encountering phoney Christians does not mean that Christianity and Jesus Christ is not real. Christianity if following/believing and trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ, not in someone who says they're a Christian

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