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jak is mar? how does that make sense?

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It's hard to understand, I know.

Well, Jak was born in the future, with Damas as his father. This was around the time of Jak II. In the mean time, Damas was banned into the desert. And the threat of the Metal Heads became too great. So, Jak was sent back to the past to face Kor in Jak II. I think that, when he went to the future, they witnessed what Jak WOULD HAVE done (as Mar) if he wasn't sweaped back to his old future home. He must have realised, when he was a kid, that he had to protect the Precursor Stone. I think Samos then kept the Precursor Stone for safe keeping and, while the village evolved in some way, Jak built the city and it's defences. But I think Samos outlived Jak and that Baron Praxis took over power not long before the Metal Heads invaded the outer walls, with Samos' hut. But when they used the Rift, the timeline got screwed up and Haven City was there while we see Jak never got a chance to build it.

This theory could work if:
- Haven City isn't as old as we think it is OR if Jak lived very, very long.
- Haven City did not yet exist at the time of Jak's original birth.
- Jak and Keira did some serious... reproduction OR if the groups of people from the villages from Jak and Daxter came together OR if other people came from across the sea.

Hope this explains it a bit...

"The dead do not suffer the living to pass!" - King of the Dead, LOTR: ROTK.

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I'm pretty sure that Jak was born after Damas was banished, but then kidnapped by Count Veger. He was then rescued by the underground (as seen in Jak 2) and sent to the past and raised by Samos the Sage ( Jak and Daxter: the Precurser Legacy) then, he went back to the future and Jak 3 happened. Then, after all the stuff in the games happened (Including Jak X which isn't out yet) Jak went WAAAAAAAAAY into the past, (even before Jak and Daxter: a Precurser Legacy) and helped the Precurcers Build the shield to protect the spot where the City would one day be built. Then, Jak (now known as Mar) Was killed by the metal head leader, as well as all the other precursers. Ouch. Bad ending.

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Possible.

"The dead do not suffer the living to pass!" - King of the Dead, LOTR: ROTK.

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My theory:

(I will refure to the Jak we are following as "Mar" when he comes across a future form of himself, that form will be called "Jak")

When the leader of Haven City died, and his friend, Damos rose to the throne and had a child. But he was only there for a short time before he was banished. The child was named Mar, and he was kidnapped by Count Vegar who thought he was special. Then, an old man named Kor saved Mar and looked after him and his crocadog. The underground also helped too, especially The Shadow. Soon, a monster came. A monster named Jak. But he was a nice monster and helped Mar and Kor and the Underground. Then, Kor turned into a giant metal head and trapped Mar. Luckily, Jak managed to find Kor and stop him. Mar and The Shadow where then sent through a portal to the past. Mar was put under the care of a man who simply said he was his uncle and gave him a different name. Mar grew up and became friends with Daxter. Daxter turned into an ottsel and Mar and Daxter ended up saving the world. mar and Daxter found a rift gate and eventually went through it, along with The Shadow and his daughter Keira. Mar was captured and Daxter went on an adventure to save him (Those adventures will be shown in "Daxter" for the PSP). Mar was saved and they met an old man and a small boy. After awhile, the old man turned evil and captured the little boy. Mar killed the old man and saved the little boy, then it was revealed him and the little boy where the same person. The little boy, and a younger version of the Shadow, went through a rift gate. Mar then was banished and met his father who got killed. He found out who he truly as (Mar) and then, after some other adventures in out places, Mar traveled back in time, possibly with either Ashlin or Kiera. They traveled to a time after The Metal Heads had come through the rift gate. Mar fought The Metal Heads and managed to drive them far away enough to build a city. He called this city Haven City, had a kid and later died.

I hope that made sense.

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So what you're saying is Jak (Mar) is his own Grand Father? I'm not being sarcastic I'm just curious.

"I don't care if the glass is half empty or half full just as long as there's whiskey in mine." -Old Irish Philosophy

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Don't even try to figure out how that works, the more you think about it the more confusing it gets.

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its not supposed to make sense thats the whole point of the trilogly if you pay attention none of them make sense. Like Jak 2 for example when Jak and his freinds are telleported to the future its been hundreds of years and young Jak is in that future so bassically none of the games make sense

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OK buddy you didnt have to write a *beep* novel


plain and simple Jak lives in the past present and future

yes its hard to understand but the next jak game will clear things up

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Somewhere in the game, Damas says that the amulet passes down to those who are within the "House of Mar."

I doubt Jak is ACTUALLY Mar, but named after him. It happens quite often in real life, why wouldn't it happen in a video game?

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Ashlin: Jak is Mar? THE Mar?

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Of course Mar is Jak. Whyever not.

How about this one? When did Jak have time to build Haven City. He must have travelled back in time after saving Haven City. But why would Jak build an entire city if he knew it was going to be half destroyed anyway?

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He didn't know it.
A quote from the ending of Jak II:

Samos: "It's funny, the boy won't remember any of this."

"The dead do not suffer the living to pass!" - King of the Dead, LOTR: ROTK.

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JAk or mar must of saved the world as a kid cos the first one is set when he is when he is a teenager but how does he go into the future to save himself owwww my head hurts



why does a speedometer go to 130mph when you can't leagally go that fast? and i don't think car companies encourage street racing

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Did anyone notice that the armour of Mar that Jak gets throughout Jak 3 is a perfect fit for Jak, I mean Jak being the same size as the original Mar (or him, thinking about time travel hurts the head) is a bit coincadental for me.

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what about jak [mar]'s mother does he have one.




why to game companys make stuff so hard to inderstand

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jaks mommy probuly die ): p.s.companys make the story so hard cause no one would buy the game duuh

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I don't think that Jak is THEE mar but rather a descendant of him.

Just before Damos bit the dust he told Jak that his son (who turns out to be Jak)was named Mar after the great leader from which he is desended, or something along those lines.

This makes sense because throughout Jak II there is a lot of emphasis on the kid being the heir of mar and when they are in the tomb the statue (or whatever it is) says that what is inside belongs to the kid by "ancient birthright."

Plus the dates don't add up if Jak is Mar. This would mean that before he was born he had already created Haven city, been its leader and then built his tomb. However in Jak II the kid is about 5 and as Vin said, Mar did most of the stuff "long ago."

The only way that Jak could possibly be Mar is if after Jak 3 he went back in time again and founded Haven city and the Krimzon guard and then fought the metalhead wars and eventually died and was buried in that tomb. Now THATS an idea for a new game. Somebody post that to Naughty Dog. Beats this spin-off combat racing cra...rubbish.

However since this game is unlikly my theory is still that Jak is the heir of Mar, not Mar himself.

Surly this means that he is now leader of Spargas and Haven.

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he only way that Jak could possibly be Mar is if after Jak 3 he went back in time again and founded Haven city and the Krimzon guard and then fought the metalhead wars and eventually died and was buried in that tomb. Now THATS an idea for a new game. Somebody post that to Naughty Dog. Beats this spin-off combat racing cra...rubbish.


Didn't we already establish that as the main way it would occur in the other posts?

Anyway, There is still the logical explanation that Ashelin's response of "Mar? THE Mar?", refers to her somehow knowing about Damas' son and his name being Mar, i.e. the heir to the city.

Was she actually ever informed of Jak being the kid?

"Heroes are the ones we do not recognise..."

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She never actually met the kid, so was completely ignorant to him.

Whats really annoying is that when Ashelin asks if Jak is THE Mar nobody ever gives her an answer. All it would take is for one of the precursors (otsels), or Samos or even Jak himself to give her a simple yes or no answer. Then we all could have saved all this time argueing about it.

I don't think that anyone (even the writers) really knows.

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It is impossible that Jak is Mar, IMO. If Jak went back in time after Jak 3 to build Haven, etc., then where did the Haven that Jak lived in the first place come from? Someone else MUST have built it before Jak was born. You can't build a city before you are born. Also, all that crap that Jak supposedly did in the past- wouldn't it change all of history and turn into some crap.. etc. I dunno... why do they have to make it so complicated!! :@

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well done samcar that is exactly what i think happened n also when ashelin says ''Mar? THE Mar??'' Seem nods so he is THE mar.

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Wouldn't that make Jak a whole lot older? And didn't Jak come behind Dax while the ship thingy was taking off? And I don't think it means that he is THE Mar just because Semm nods.. s/he doubted him at first

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Actuly Seem Precursor Monk Nods when Ashelin asked if Jak is THE Mar so one could say that he is THE Mar

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ok, i'm gonna settle this once and for all...
Jak is the mar! Damos names his son (who is jak) mar after the legendary hero. His son is sent to the past to be raised away from the metal head war (so obviously there is some all knowing person somewhere in the jak universe who tells the old tree guy (havent played games in a year or two so basically forgot a lot of names here) to guy to the past with jack and his daughter keira to insure his survival because he will build the city in the future/past (confusing as hell)! jak saves everyone in the past as a teenager b/c he has the special ability to channel light eco (j&d). They "accidentally" return to the future where jak saves the kid and sends him to the past and defeats the metal head leader (j2). Then all the crap from jak 3 happens and jak finally finds out he's mar, the true identity of the precursors, and the dark energy things! he destroys the dark energy things and everyone's safe again!
Now on to possible jak 4:
jak realizes that since he's mar he needs to go into the past and build haven city (despite the fact that it will end up half destroyed in the end he needs to or no one will survive. so there's the huge metal head war which comes to a stale mate and jak powers up the shields to haven city after losing the battle with the metal heads and losing the land he grew up in. he is badly wounded and may not survive... but it's jak and he lives! they build him a tomb cuz everyone in the past thinks he's going to die. instead the precursor's return and jak leaves his wife pregnant with their child (father of damos). jak goes back to future with precursors to fight dark evil creatures...
essentially cycle begins anew with jak saving the past and becoming mar over and over and over...
OR
the little jak that jak saved in part two grows up in the past to become mar and defends the world from the new threat of the metal heads, fights huge battle, and builds haven city with wife keira by his side...
this theory involves there being two of everyone and while it would make things simpler in terms of a game is actually so much more confusing...

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In Jak II, in the tomb of Mar, the voice says, we have waited a long time for the heir of Mar to come....

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I pretty much agree, except for the part about Jak being a descendant of himself. That is not nescessary to make sense of it all. After founding Haven City, and leaving all the right things, such as the armor, in the right places, he returns to the future, as seen in the ending of Jak 3, where he enters the precursor ship only to appear suddenly behind Daxter and the others.

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