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KOTOR II is one of the best games ever

posted 14 years ago by TheDude5000
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I remember when I first got the game in December 2004. Earlier that year, I played KOTOR I for the first time. I knew that someone else was developing KOTOR II, so I was really worried that it would be a disappointment.

Well, even with all the unfinished and removed content, and the glitches, KOTOR may be even BETTER than the first KOTOR. The dialogue and voice acting are possibly the best in any game, only rivaled by the first KOTOR. The music is amazing, worthy of being in a movie. The story isn't as good as the first, but it still pulled me in. The gameplay is pretty much the same but still improves upon the first game in many areas.

This game could have been much more if Obsidian wasn't rushed for a Christmas release, but even as it stands, KOTOR II is one of the best games I've ever played.

[–] Lucky_Man 14 years ago

I agree.
I don't know if it would rank as one of the best games ever, but it's defnitity a proper second chapter in the Knights of the Old Republic series. It's darker, more mysterious, and alludes to the first game often enough to be called a sequel, but seldom enough to stand out as it's own game. The music is fantastic, especially the Ebon Hawk interior theme.

It's extremely unfortunate that it wasn't properly finished, if it was, and all those little loose ends that were poorly explained had been tied up leaving little doubt to the end of the game. It would be a fantastic game and would rank as one of the best games ever.

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-John Lennon

[–] TheDude5000 14 years ago

Well it probably won't end up on many "Best Game Ever" lists, but it's definitely very high up on mine. And when you consider how incomplete the game really is, just imagining what it would have been like if Obsidian was given more time...

But I won't complain over what could have been, because the game, in it's finished state, is still damn good, not to mention there are already mods that have been released which restore unfinished content. But the story and the characters are what really make this game, for me. There are some loose ends in the story, but aside from that, I think I prefer it over KOTOR I.

[–] Lucky_Man 14 years ago

I agree with you, man

There are a lot of features in this game that surpass KOTOR, the weapon & armor upgrading, the music, and the characters. Instead of Mission Vao, you get a smokin' hot blind broad who can use a lightsaber. Instead of Canderous, you get...Canderous...

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Instead of Carth, you get Atton, while Atton has a cooler past, Carth could pull out his eyes with his buttcheeks.

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"There's nothing you can know that isn't known."
-John Lennon

[–] Allison_max_rae94 14 years ago

I don't know, I just love KOTOR 1 better, I mean- I cared about all the characters... I mean really cared. Maybe it's the fact the game was incomplete... or how there were huge parts you felt like you were just doing to get to the next level even on a first playthrough.

I mean for example Atton- on the surface he looks like a great character... a really great character. I mean I love the idea for his backstory so much- the problem is just once you make him a jedi that's it... he just fades into the background. And I would love to bop the idiot in the head who didn't program have Atton react right away to the two twi'leks who are telling me about him.

I prefer Carth's past because it is so well thought out and let's face it- the whole Revan/Exile gender thing is the wrong way around.

Influence kills my enjoyment a lot... it could have been a good system if there was a hell of a lot more for the characters to do and say- and if it actually had a major effect on the games besides training as a jedi.

Back to an earlier point- even with repeated playthroughs Mission still feels like a kid sister, and every single character matters- the only downisde is that their sidequests aren't commented on by other npcs. That's my only complaint... when you play the Star Forge versus Trayus Academy it really does feel harder and do or die on the Star Forge... the Academy was a real breeze in comparison.

You really can feel a part of the action with the first KOTOR game and maybe it's the two different companies doing the games- but it's not the same in the second game.

It's like the movies- I love the original three A New Hope to Return of the Jedi. It's not that I don't like the new ones... well except for Phantom Menace which I dislike... it's just I thought the originals were that much better.

Though I wish they could rerelease the first game with the cool robes you can wear in the second game.

Get it through your head--I'd rather die than go back there.
-Max-DARK ANGEL

[–] paulo_miguel 14 years ago

I think both were excellent, they just had a different feeling. In Kotor I one was kind of tossed right into a great galaxy spanning conflict. Looking for the secrets of a forgotten empire, central in the history of the galaxy, following the footsteps of Revan and trying to avoid Malak until the last battle. There was still hope.

In Kotor II one was tossed into the aftermath of the great conflict, with the Jedi order destroyed and your character stripped of his/her former powers. Walking the ruins of the Jedi enclave, looking for the Lost Jedi masters and trying to defeat the Sith that had the galaxy on its knees. In a way it felt like chapter IV, ANH because that is what you were, a new last hope. Perhaps I had this feeling because I played Kotor II before Kotor I. Just a pity it wasn't given the development time it needed to be properly finished.

Anyway I enjoyed both games a lot and was looking toward a third adventure, it just seems to be one I ain't gonna enjoy that much...

[–] JHT 14 years ago

I've just played the 2 KOTORs back to back and thoroughly enjoyed them. When I played them a few years back I thought the original was better but now I'm not so sure. I really appreciate the work that went into the stories. I think the characters, with the exception of Kreia, were stronger in the original but KOTOR 2 is quite a bit bigger and much more complex. Last time I played KOTOR 2 I had difficulty at the end of the game because my character was just not powerful enough. This time I played a female Sith Lord (as opposed to a male Jedi Sentinel which I think I was previously) and had a serious relationship with the Force by the end. I suppose one thing I found annoying, but I can understand, is why The Handmaiden and Mira(?) were not available to me. I would have loved to corrupt both of them.

[–] arcthurus_du_covenant 14 years ago

^You can corrupt and train all of them except the droids, Mandalore and the wookiee. It's a matter of influence.

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[–] Allison_max_rae94 14 years ago

Just be enough light sided- or neutral on Nar Shardaa and you'll get Mira and then you can go full on to the Dark Side.
Handmaiden is a male character only which bites. Seriously I would rather have her than Mical/Disciple.

The night is the best part of the whole day.
-Max-DARK ANGEL

[–] Hotwyre6 14 years ago

It does have good dialog and voice acting. The plot is not terrible and has some interesting ideas, but some of the events are truly narmish and cliche. Also, I think that any game that has as many problems (i.e. being obsolete at release) can't really be rated as "the best" ever.

The fact that the hardware that was the current standard was too highly accelerated for the game to handle at release is a pretty shameful black mark on Obsidian's record, and in my mind will forever taint the game's image. A program that doesn't work can't be rated as highly as a program that does work, IMO. But that's just from a coding perspective I guess.

And anybody tempted to respond with "the game worked just fine for me," please consider that it is well established that KotoR II could not handle the 256mb cards that were common at the time, unless you ramped up all the options of the game and dialed down your graphics card (i.e. installed a low end driver or adjusted all the settings within the driver to the minimums). So the fact that the game worked on less advanced systems or on the X-Box version is not a defense of it's flaws.

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