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This movie tells us about totalitarian regimes like the one of Sadam Husein, Castro, J.W. Bush. And the story is definitely inspired by Bush. The spoiled, stupid son comes on the thron, after the charismatic father who is a war criminal. So the son is frustrated and gets even worse than his dad. He believes in tarot cards, Bush believes that he can speak with God. But his end comes and the new president is bad too. Who is the victim? Only those who stayed thrue to themselves like Joe.
All in all, politics sucks, Bush and other terrorist’s suck.

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That was the dumbest contrast I've ever had the displeasure of reading.

The comparisons between Junior (if any comparisons) and Bush are very subtle (generally extending only as far as the stupidity), and your rant is an ultra-leftist "I LOVE WHOOPI GOLDBERG" bag of crap. Judging from your illiteracy I'd say you never independently believed Bush was a dumbass, you just saw that it was "cool" to hate the guy, so you did it. Then you saw this film, didn't understand anything, but saw that Junior was a moron and thought "hey! This guy is like me— erm, Bush!"

One of the messages of this film is the involvement of idealistic independence, and you just don't have it.

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Room45 is obviously another one of those hysterical Bush-Haters who thinks the man has horns and tail. Calm down, take your meds, and call me in the morning.

As for the film, I'd say it closely follows the history of Iran. The Shah takes over from his father after WW2 and lives a cosmopolitian lifestyle while being a ruthless ruler. He's forced to leave the country by the Islamic revolution which in turn bring the Ayatollah back to the country to rule. He in turn, begins a program of "re-education" of the masses to rid them of their evil(WESTERN) ways. You do make a good point though room45 when you say that the victims are the ones who stay true to themselves and don't bend with the wind.

Of course, the reeds that don't bend with the wind, usually end up breaking off.

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mscano1,
Even though I agree with you about Room45 (to a degree) you must not jump to conclusions either. To begin with it is not as easy as you mention that the film resembles Iran. Although you are correct about the Shah you must also know that between Ayatollah Khomeini and the Shah there was a huge history gap that you just happened to "skip". Closely to around 30 years. Part of this time Iran was under the prime minister Mossadegh which has nothing to do with the movie. Relations are closer in a sense to Kim Jong Il since he too inherited the power and has a craze for films. Also the film is filled with analogies to various politicians and dictators so to pinpoint one and say themovie is based on them is was too simple.

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I totally agree with you nayo1, there are plenty of references to several dictators in this movie...and I don't think you can say it is pointing at especially one dictator...I see references to (and I might be missing some); Pol Pot in Cambodia, Mussolini, The Roman Empire etc.

Furthermore the mentioning of Rudolf Hess makes you compare Joe to him, as he is also ending up in prison in the same fashion as Hess.

To be honest then the Bush link in this movie is quite weak, and links to the above mentioned people seems to be a lot stronger to me.

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Room45 - Bush won. Twice. Get over it.

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THe first time with the Supreme Court's help and the second time with the help of 9/11.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726

believing absurdities=atrocities

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Apparently.

But it's years old now. Michael Moore's whined enough with his ultra-leftist propaganda. There have been shadier presidential elections, don't hold a knife to Bush's throat with this one.

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Bush: the first president to be selected, not fairly elected.

Look how much the country has suffered for it.

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Ah, but you forget Neon, History is what we remember.....

Just because you believe in something, doesn't mean it can't be erased. This movie did an excellent job in proving that. None of us really know what goes on behind closed doors of these "RICH" leaders.

You need to remember that history is constantly re-written.

Ideology can be changed and powerful leaders can lose focus on what's really important. People might be "such idiots" in your mind but the human will is stronger than anything else on Earth.

Also, comparing Lincoln to Bush is the most ignorant comparison I've ever seen....ever...

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"...Really? You don't think President Lincoln winning with 34% of the popular vote was a bit worse than Bush winning with 50.01% of the popular vote (and the recount showed he did win more votes than Gore)...."


There's an old saying which runs "it's not your vote that counts... it's WHO COUNTS the votes." Or, in the case of the USA, FAILS to count the votes. Running a fair election isn't rocket science: I've participated as a minor official in the last three UK General elections. In the UK, pretty much EVERYONE with an address gets to vote. The voting process is absolutely simple - just putting an "X" next to your preferred candidate's name. The counting process is equally foolproof - we start by counting how many ballot papers there are (it HAS to be exactly the same as the number issued) Then we sort the ballots into piles of 20 for each candidate; if there's ANY kind of query, it's resolved, right there and then, by a civil servant who is NOT allowed to show ANY kind of partisanship. (unlike the USA, where the Florida returning officer had already accepted a job with GW!) Then we add the number of votes for each candidate - they should add up to the total number of ballots.

Kind of different to the way things are run in the USA, where openly partisan election officials are commonplace, a sizeable slice of the population aren't allowed to vote (because of often trumped up "technical difficulties") there's no audit trail, and it's very unusual for all the votes cast to be counted. It may not be rocket science... but it's clearly beyond the capabilities of the USA.

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"it's not your vote that counts... it's WHO COUNTS the votes"

Right, that was J. Stalin btw.


Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. - Bill Maher

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First President selected was Gerald Ford.
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...You Bush haters do realize Bush is going to leave office next January. Then, when your toilet backs up, you burn your dinner or your personal life is going no where you won't be able to blame bush. You'll to go could turkey or have an existential melt down. Get help. LOL...Ok I suppose Bush is in the movie, but so is every other leader in the last two hundred years. Anyway I don't remember being ordered out of the city, women being ordered to put on burkas (I think that's the way its spelled) or being asked what is better then a fresh juicy stake every morning so this movie isn't about GWBs America.
People are just getting dumber, but more opinionated-Ernestine (Silks) in "The Human Stain"

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The main lesson I got from this movie was instantly confirmed when I came to this board. We are all blind people "looking" at an elephant. All of your commentaries, including mine, obviously, is just one perspective on the subject. And what the director tried to tell is just that: all perspectives are different and dangerous. I specificaly liked ID Neon's comment, I agree with most of it. About the other comments, all I can say is this: You're all just blind.

Now, my view (given the relative importance of it and seeing that I'm only a blind person myself) is that I finaly found a movie that confirms my extreme pessimistic view of the world and of politics. No ruler is ever good or just or fair. And whatever ruler it was that the director was talking about, my thoughts aply perfectly.

So, I completely understand the original post. And I don't mind that the view of some people on this movie is to consider it a critique to Bush. It's nothing more than the POV of yet another blind person.

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That's not true at all; to wit;"Rutherford Birchard Hayes (October 4, 1822 – January 17, 1893) was an American politician, lawyer, military leader and the nineteenth President of the United States (1877–1881). Hayes was elected President by one electoral vote after the highly disputed election of 1876. Losing the popular vote to his opponent, Samuel Tilden, Hayes was the only president whose election was decided by a congressional commission." -Wikipedia

I've....seen things you people wouldn't believe; Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.

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You could easily make an argument for John Quincy Adams or Rutherford B. Hayes using the Bush basher's criteria.

Nothing that happens on Earth is unknown to Santa Claus!

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The script won an award in 2001, so it is actually unlikely that it was already written with Bush in mind. And I also believe to remember Robert Edwards admitting that it wasn't.

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"He believes in tarot cards,"

i think this was a reference to r reagan basing his decisions on nancy's astrologer

no one will be safe until the last politicians' intestine is wrapped around the last priests' neck

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All I can say to the original poster is.. no. Just no.

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It seems you hit a sensitive spot in a few neo-cons... And for those who would like to quickly criticize Room45, I'd like to point out there are many people who are making an analogy to the Bush administration... Not only in IMDB but you can find references elsewhere... So obviously, it is not a far-fetched idea. I'm not sure which saying this reminds me of the most about those who criticize your analogy.. Either "None so blind as those who will not see" or "You can lead a horse to water..."

Anyway, to respond to this specific post, I found a 2006 interview with the writer. He said that he had not specifically wrote it with Bush in mind, but goes on to say "it’s a valid interpretation and I think if people want to see it that way, you know, if the shoe fits then wear it."

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Honestly, it is sad for me to see so many people worked up about a few opinions flying around on the internet. Calm down and think rationally. Accepting and considering the opinions of others is a step to further knowledge and enlightenment. That sounded too zen, but whatever.

Anyways, I agree with the above. Even the author admitted that it was not specifically about Bush, but gives the audience their own creative interpretation. I believe that the movie is not about one specific dictator or one specific man, but about hundreds of years of political mistakes and the people that suffered because of them. About the mistakes of people yet to be born. It is about a cycle of government and corruption, based off of the past and the present. So sure, it could be applicable to anything now adays, although I doubt it was written specifically about it.

You have references to the guillotine and unfortunatesque women in 18th century costume, and the many other examples therein. You have the posters and the prisons. There are certainly references here, but no blatent Bush ones. But interpretations are just that. Be free with them, again, this is a cyclical theory of corruption- it could apply to anything.

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Well put. I think the point of the film is that evil and totalitarianism are universal, and not restricted to any ideology or nation. Thus, if you think Bush is a dictator or evil, then it's a valid interpretation.

Nothing that happens on Earth is unknown to Santa Claus!

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By far the most valid statement in this thread, Cock.


Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. - Bill Maher

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Room45, your OP was so stupid and pathetic, I'm going to stop and pray for you.

Neither Saddam or "G.W." (not J.W., you retard) were or are "totalitarianists". Saddam was an "authoritarian", meaning he ran a govt. that revolved around his whims but the economy was not completely controlled by him. Of course, the one thing you get right is that Castro is a totalitarian, so I give you credit for that.

And as the others stated, this film was obviously not based on Bush.

As for Bush's religious beliefs, all Christians who pray believe that are speaking to God when the pray. How dumb can you be to get this wrong? Bush is not into tarot (not "tarrot") cards.

Lastly, referring to Bush as a terrorist makes you nothing more than a Hugo Chavez and Castro lover since both have made similar comments.

Politics does not "suck". It's only confusing to uneducated pimps such as yourself, who sadly are given the right to vote despite your lack of education in political theory and the political history of the world.

I pity my country when dead-brained lunatics, such as yourself, are out on the street pontificating this garbage.

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Lastly, referring to Bush as a terrorist makes you nothing more than a Hugo Chavez and Castro lover since both have made similar comments.
A believes X; B believes X; ergo, A must align with B. Logic at its finest.


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