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Andy Warhol or Bob Dylan?


If you had to choose.

Me - Andy Warhol.


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Bob Dylan.
Love Warhol, but no contest.

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I am not gay, but as far as I can judge: They had been both no beauties :-) (But concerning Dylan: I think, his looks have won by aging, whereas Andy has lost and that is his entire body in the coffin.)


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Hooters, hooters, on a girl that´s dumb!"
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Andreas,
I was not exactly enquiring about their looks, but OK! =)

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infinit zero, there is a phrase: "With inner values you can not go to bed."

And I confess, I prefer women, who have both: inner and superficial charmes.
(But I´m not fixed to breasts as the Bundy credo may make to assume.)


"Hooters, hooters, yum yum yum,
Hooters, hooters, on a girl that´s dumb!"
The Bundy credo

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same with hurricnsdautr.

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Dylan absolutely. If Warhol was really like he was portrayed in Factory Girl I wouldn't have given him the time of day. He was like a zombie -had practically no opinion about anything, shrugged everything off, seemed to be a bit obsessive/compulsive or when it suited him -distant and cold. He seemed to get off on seeing people have fun, but also in seeing them suffer, offering no help. Who needed that?

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Well, Dylan is pretty stagnant and his music can be dull (he's more a writer of songs than a musician). The oeuvres are incomparable in terms of music, but Warhol produced one of the most influential albums of all time. Velvet Underground & Nico was a flop when it was released in 1967, but it is said that everyone that listened to it formed a band. His works were genius, not because of the technical ability his works required, but the philosophy behind the works. I fell in love with them when I began to understand modern art. He revolutionized modern art, NYC and the way you look at mass culture and art itself. At this moment, he continues to inspire new art like no artist IN HISTORY, and is more relevant to our culture now than Bob Dylan's lyrics are, in my opinion. And his movies? He started movie history all over again with "Empire". He was a complete artist. HE himself was his work of art. He is more interesting and relevant to me than Dylan, who was extremely influent but stayed basically the same for 30-40 years. How do you compare a painter and a musician? It must be a matter of opinion, and this is just my opinion.
Just to balance things out.

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Andy Warhol all the way...Bob Dylan is a hypocrite and a dick. What this film doesn't fully portray is that Dylan was married the entire time he was bopping Edie Sedgwick. He used her and tossed her aside like a piece of meat. What the film does portray well is the petty jealousy that Dylan had for Warhol. Dylan is just one of those folks with an ego ten times larger than his talent, who has been transformed into icon status by the media and musical spin doctors. At least Warhol was who he was. He certainly never tried to pretend to save the world with his art.

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"At least Warhol was who he was. He certainly never tried to pretend to save the world with his art."

Andy always seemed to me to be a very ambivalent artist. I wouldn't say he was a nihilist, but he seemed to believe in everything and its opposite. But at least he was honest. That's the purpose of Pop Art - he considered everything was equally interesting and beautiful. It's funny that he never seemed to be as arrogant as everyone seems to believe, he was unsure, quiet and an observer rather than an active force, unlike Dylan.
Andy absorbed talent from everyone around him, including Sedgwick, but he didn't exploit her. I'm not sure who destroyed her, Dylan, Warhol or Edie herself, maybe all of them plus NYC, who knows. This film twists the facts a little, omitts others, just to have a decent narrative arch and a justification for a death that doesn't have a justification.

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I like how the filmaker portrayed the opposing relationships between Edie/Andy/Bob. One world was all cold, calculating, superficial,heartless, and the other loving, empathetic and heartfelt--hope.

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One world was all cold, calculating, superficial,heartless, and the other loving, empathetic and heartfelt--hope.

Don't really see what's empathetic or heartfelt about two-timing and lying to people. It's rather funny how Andy is demonised due to a cartoonish public persona despite the fact that he was a fairly straightforward guy, and Dylan is glorified because of his talent when he wasn't exactly known for his honesty.

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Oh no contest, Bob Dylan for sure.

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Andy. I've never been a Bob Dylan fan. Plus, in terms of the film, Andy (as Guy portrayed him) was so cute!

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Watching the film I would say Bob Dylan, although they both had very different outlooks on art doesn't really redeem the fact both were quite selfish people, quite like a lot of artistic people though.

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Andy Warhol.

Mother Juggs and speed, is it mother Juggs and speed?

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Anyone who feels Andy Warhol was represented in a reasonable fashion in this film knows nothing of Warhol. Do some research people.

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I would choose Andy Warhol, though I can honestly say for certain that he wouldn't have chosen me :P.

-Amanda

"She will remember your heart when men are fairy tales in storybooks written by rabbits"

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bob dylan easily, he was the only likable and decent 'character' in this movie. warhol was some bizarre homosaxual vampire as portrayed in this flick


I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

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Likeable and decent???

Not if you happen to be a woman who he cheated on and lied to!
I'd rather be Andy's 2 second fag hag than Bob Dylan's
2 second mistress.

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Warhol, to a degree. At least he didn't pretend to be some great, ego-less humanitarian.

I've never seen the appeal of Dylan, and the fakeness of his "man of the people" shtick has become apparent with age. He's weirdly paranoid and egotistical, has trouble relating to people, uses women, has been a crappy/distant father -- he's not some loving, hopeful, hope-filled advocate of a better world. (I *am* a fan of many folk musicians and think that many *do* share great messages and live in ways that I respect -- but not Fake-o Dylan.)

OP -- good question, and some great insights in your posts!

"All you need to start an asylum is an empty room and the right kind of people."

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They're both *beep* incredibly talented but *beep* It's like choosing between an alligator and a crocodile.

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